Suggestion please: Canada or India (Imp)
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Yes, I have seen this page. It needs a commitment to invest C$ 800,000/- and also the net worth is significant. I dont have that much at this moment. May be in few years, but not now.jackdawn said:
For those having similar doubts/questions...
The original poster seems homesick. Theyre in their mid-30s. They had a comfortable stable life with family and friends around. After 30+ years its probably not easy to make such a drastic change if theyve never been away from home.
One thing he mentioned was having three jobs in the span of two months. To me that seems extremely odd irrespective of the circumstances for changing.
My advise, realize youre probably not alone. Every new immigrant has to deal and cope with the change in any country they move to. Look around you, and you will see them.
Regarding your decision, you will have to decide for yourself where your future lies. Strangers on an online message board are not nearly as good as close friends and family to help you make that decision. I suggest talking to them to try and figure it out. And dont make a hasty decision.
The only advise i can give you is to try to be more sure about your decision this time. Dont do something you think you will regret later on.
One question. Have you had any specific negative experiences?
Good luck!
Cheers
The original poster seems homesick. Theyre in their mid-30s. They had a comfortable stable life with family and friends around. After 30+ years its probably not easy to make such a drastic change if theyve never been away from home.
One thing he mentioned was having three jobs in the span of two months. To me that seems extremely odd irrespective of the circumstances for changing.
My advise, realize youre probably not alone. Every new immigrant has to deal and cope with the change in any country they move to. Look around you, and you will see them.
Regarding your decision, you will have to decide for yourself where your future lies. Strangers on an online message board are not nearly as good as close friends and family to help you make that decision. I suggest talking to them to try and figure it out. And dont make a hasty decision.
The only advise i can give you is to try to be more sure about your decision this time. Dont do something you think you will regret later on.
One question. Have you had any specific negative experiences?
Good luck!
Cheers
suggestion please - very important decision but hard to make: Thinking of moving back to India...please advise...
We recently moved to Canada on a PR visa from India. got a very good job with $80K full time employment. This is my 3rd job in 2 months - i didn't like the first 2 though the salary was almost same in all 3...
Now its been couple of months in Canada- Canada is good & Beautiful country, but we're not liking it here, apart from big cultural shock (specially at office) we're making end of month almost same money what we used to make in India. (household income in India was close to $4K pm & in Canada is little above $4K pm)...
It is not about Canada vs India - it is 'My' life in Canada vs 'My' life in India.
India:
Car+Driver provided by company for free to commute to office daily (almost every Indian MNC provides this facility)
Work from home - whenever I want to
Maids (cheap n easy availability)
Inexpensive day care
Relative support (only Indians will understand)
Visit any relative/friend whenever feel like
Weather - little extra hot for 2 months of the year - but manageable due to AC in car/home/office. Amazing weather for 10 months
Traffic Jams - yes, a lot.
Specialist doctor - waiting 0-7 days
Que discipline - followed 60% of the time
Roads - 60% of the roads are good
Office & housing (we use to live in a big housing society) infra - same or little extra advance than Canada.
Canada:
TTC is good - but jammed during office time, hard to find space to stand as well.
Work from home - not easy - have to convince boss and can't ask every time.
No maids - but human operated Washer, Dryer, Vacuum, etc. available. Yeah - cooking no option- have to cook.
Day care - average $1000 pm (subsidized day-care for lower household income ppl)..
No relative support...
Lot of respect for time & privacy = hence no bumping in a lot
Weather: 4 to 5 months good rest is winter & harsh winter - yes, heaters everywhere.
Traffic jams - yes - but not like india.
Specialist doctor - waiting 2 to 12 months, if emergency - dial 911
Que discipline - followed 95% of the time
Roads: almost 99% of roads i have seen are good
India:
Rent 2 bedroom condo: $200 PM
Car : $ 200 PM with insurance
Hydro: $ 10 pm
Maid: $ 20 pm
Day Care: $ 100 pm (subsidized due to our company Tie-Up)
Internet + Phone: Free (company provided)
Daily office commute: Free (company provided)
Groceries: $ 100 PM
Insurance - Company provided
Misc: 100
Total:730
Canada
Rent: 1+den $ 1620 PM (Heat, water, hydro, Parking & house Insurance included) (they don't give 1 bedroom condo on rent in most of the good buildings to family of 2 adult with 1 small kid, u have to take minimum 1+den)
Internet: $ 45 pm
Phone x2: 90 (60 + 30 for 2 phone)
TTC: $141 pm
Car: 350 (Car & Insurance) I see it cheaper to commute office daily to downtown by TTC rather than parking ur car in downtown.
Groceries: 500 PM
Insurance : half paid by company other half is $110 pm ($53 Per pay)
Misc- 144
Total: 3000 PM
We're thinking of moving back to India - why:
1. Almost same income
2. more savings in India
3. Cultural shock (yes, we overlooked it while moving) in office and in general
4. expensive vacations/outings
5. No friends..
6. Started feeling like we have no life.
7. Missing India
8. missing all the luxuries we had there (driver+maid+work from home+things easily available by paying extra)
9. No relatives (If I get my parents here - it will not be easy to get their PRs now-a-days...they only need working people i guess
10.Not "much" difference in (daily) routine life when compared with India (except weather).
11. we're in our mid 30's, so life is little tough at this phase & age of life to adjust in a new country.
12. Except few things like good road, infrastructure, etc. almost everything is available in India. obviously no clean air n water in India - and for that we have water purifiers and AC in home/office/car. And Air is not really that bad except few places in India where we don't live.
13. good investment options in India (Bank FD's rate is around 8 to 9 % per year and lot of mutual funds doing good with average 14% per year)
15. Education is also not bad - can debate - i see lot of Indians doing good here in Canadian corporate world with Indian education.
List can go on since I am from India and not Canada. And that is why I am here on this forum seeking advice.
So, shall we move back to India or stay in Canada is the biggest question of our life right now.
We're very tensed and confused - I need advice please... like why India or Canada...why go back or don't go back....I welcome everyone's comment but I think Indians will be able to understand our situation more....
withing few months I got 4 offers and worked for 3 companies and left 2 of them working for 1 to 2 weeks and continuing with the 3rd one - so the job market is good and not that tough i would say like India.
Overall - We're comfortable here but not happy and in India we're living luxuries life with full of happiness or say happening events every day every-where. And yes, lot of people are scaring us with -40 degree weather coming soon...
I spoke to few people here in Canada:
Some say Canada is amazing - it is the best place in world - India is not good - not safe, Canada is safe, etc.etc....Hence, let me reiterate - this is only my experience and am no-one to comment/say anything about Canada/India. It is just my life in India vs my life in Canada. I am not saying India or Canada is good or bad. People say based on their experience -
Some said: I am incapable and incompetent to live in Canada - o'common I have a job, house, car, cash in account, etc. I have got really good feedback in just 1 month at work...In fact - this is the advance version of myself. I am working for more than 7 hours a day in office continuously (4 hrs was max in India) and I keep reading books and I am also managing my own finance and cooking and cleaning and a lot f things - which is good - but I've never done so many things myself in India - I had CA for finance - maids, drivers, well lets not get into that - then someone said its good to be self capable but why when we have options...
Some said we're consumer driven country not do savings like India.. I said - how do u manage to save like India here when our basics are so expensive. And if India is not a consumer country - then there is something wrong with Apple, Moto, HP, Dell, Toyota, etc. etc. all take Indian market into consideration before coming up with their next version/product....
Trust me - the way i am living n working here - If I wud have been same in India - i would have saved lot of money and would have grown personally & professionally as well. Imagine kinda efforts we put in for Documents-IELTS-PR-Packing n Moving-Job Hunting-House hunting-trying understand whole new world-etc.etc... I realize if i wud have put in these efforts in something else......
Sometimes I feel we had whole time in the world with friends and relatives everywhere in India...and I have wasted so much time by just going here n there in India and had fun entire day and laughed for 100 times a day...Whereas here - i lost my real laugh.....
I am here on this forum - because I wanted to know why am not able to enjoy my life here...Am i doing something wrong - or My salary is very low where I just meet my basics and save around $1K pm and I should not save that money as well and go on vacation or spend on something which might make us happy??...but then I will not have some emergency funds.... I donno if I should go back or not....please advise.....
Or, maybe this immigration is for the people who are not doing good in India or they don't like India....just a guess...
Sheena,see this is what I am afraid of - I might start thinking like u...discouraging someone from practicing freedom on such forums and rigorously demotivating by directly saying don't come on this forum ....this is one of the reason which i did not mention in my previous post - but wanted ppl to show...
vensak: u cracked the code - now u know y i moved here....though i clearly mentioned y i moved here - but still u 'cracked the code'...
Ht7 - tht depends on my kids - i did not like it - so instead of assuming ur way that thy will like it which thy did not see - chances r they might like what i am doing...u have 50% chance & i have 50% chance...lets see...i will try to give them everything in the world....lets c...by the way r u saying everyone in India suffering because they dont have Canadian PR/Citizenship??? i dont agree...
DEEPCUR - i pray nobody's kid have to go thru this...but wen someones kid is sick n doc says it is normal here - someone is awake whole night because of their kids fever and then they go to other hospital there doc says same - its normal here...then I wud certainly judge country based on the facilities & options available for my kids...i did not say junk food made me fit - i said i was fit irrespective of what i eat - maybe weather or some other thing cud have been thot to this - but so much out of the box! wow...
Well I see where u all r coming from...again i wud say- i had beautiful +rich + happy life in India......Thank u all others....i am just following my heart...i did not like it here.....like i said - money + fresh air + water + easy things + almost everything is there for me...i lived poor life & enjoyed rich life there - i know how to get work done in India...i know where to shop
My feelings are exactly as yours. Can you please help me to avoid the pain by your experience. Did you travel back and happy?
Sheena,suggestion please - very important decision but hard to make: Thinking of moving back to India...please advise...
We recently moved to Canada on a PR visa from India. got a very good job with $80K full time employment. This is my 3rd job in 2 months - i didn't like the first 2 though the salary was almost same in all 3...
Now its been couple of months in Canada- Canada is good & Beautiful country, but we're not liking it here, apart from big cultural shock (specially at office) we're making end of month almost same money what we used to make in India. (household income in India was close to $4K pm & in Canada is little above $4K pm)...
It is not about Canada vs India - it is 'My' life in Canada vs 'My' life in India.
India:
Car+Driver provided by company for free to commute to office daily (almost every Indian MNC provides this facility)
Work from home - whenever I want to
Maids (cheap n easy availability)
Inexpensive day care
Relative support (only Indians will understand
Visit any relative/friend whenever feel like
Weather - little extra hot for 2 months of the year - but manageable due to AC in car/home/office. Amazing weather for 10 months
Traffic Jams - yes, a lot.
Specialist doctor - waiting 0-7 days
Que discipline - followed 60% of the time
Roads - 60% of the roads are good
Office & housing (we use to live in a big housing society) infra - same or little extra advance than Canada.
Canada:
TTC is good - but jammed during office time, hard to find space to stand as well.
Work from home - not easy - have to convince boss and can't ask every time.
No maids - but human operated Washer, Dryer, Vacuum, etc. available. Yeah - cooking no option- have to cook.
Day care - average $1000 pm (subsidized day-care for lower household income ppl)..
No relative support...
Lot of respect for time & privacy = hence no bumping in a lot
Weather: 4 to 5 months good rest is winter & harsh winter - yes, heaters everywhere.
Traffic jams - yes - but not like india.
Specialist doctor - waiting 2 to 12 months, if emergency - dial 911
Que discipline - followed 95% of the time
Roads: almost 99% of roads i have seen are good
India:
Rent 2 bedroom condo: $200 PM
Car : $ 200 PM with insurance
Hydro: $ 10 pm
Maid: $ 20 pm
Day Care: $ 100 pm (subsidized due to our company Tie-Up)
Internet + Phone: Free (company provided)
Daily office commute: Free (company provided)
Groceries: $ 100 PM
Insurance - Company provided
Misc: 100
Total:730
Canada
Rent: 1+den $ 1620 PM (Heat, water, hydro, Parking & house Insurance included) (they don't give 1 bedroom condo on rent in most of the good buildings to family of 2 adult with 1 small kid, u have to take minimum 1+den)
Internet: $ 45 pm
Phone x2: 90 (60 + 30 for 2 phone)
TTC: $141 pm
Car: 350 (Car & Insurance) I see it cheaper to commute office daily to downtown by TTC rather than parking ur car in downtown.
Groceries: 500 PM
Insurance : half paid by company other half is $110 pm ($53 Per pay)
Misc- 144
Total: 3000 PM
We're thinking of moving back to India - why:
1. Almost same income
2. more savings in India
3. Cultural shock (yes, we overlooked it while moving) in office and in general
4. expensive vacations/outings
5. No friends..
6. Started feeling like we have no life.
7. Missing India
8. missing all the luxuries we had there (driver+maid+work from home+things easily available by paying extra)
9. No relatives (If I get my parents here - it will not be easy to get their PRs now-a-days...they only need working people i guess
10.Not "much" difference in (daily) routine life when compared with India (except weather).
11. we're in our mid 30's, so life is little tough at this phase & age of life to adjust in a new country.
12. Except few things like good road, infrastructure, etc. almost everything is available in India. obviously no clean air n water in India - and for that we have water purifiers and AC in home/office/car. And Air is not really that bad except few places in India where we don't live.
13. good investment options in India (Bank FD's rate is around 8 to 9 % per year and lot of mutual funds doing good with average 14% per year)
15. Education is also not bad - can debate - i see lot of Indians doing good here in Canadian corporate world with Indian education.
List can go on since I am from India and not Canada. And that is why I am here on this forum seeking advice.
So, shall we move back to India or stay in Canada is the biggest question of our life right now.
We're very tensed and confused - I need advice please... like why India or Canada...why go back or don't go back....I welcome everyone's comment but I think Indians will be able to understand our situation more....
withing few months I got 4 offers and worked for 3 companies and left 2 of them working for 1 to 2 weeks and continuing with the 3rd one - so the job market is good and not that tough i would say like India.
Overall - We're comfortable here but not happy and in India we're living luxuries life with full of happiness or say happening events every day every-where. And yes, lot of people are scaring us with -40 degree weather coming soon...
I spoke to few people here in Canada:
Some say Canada is amazing - it is the best place in world - India is not good - not safe, Canada is safe, etc.etc....Hence, let me reiterate - this is only my experience and am no-one to comment/say anything about Canada/India. It is just my life in India vs my life in Canada. I am not saying India or Canada is good or bad. People say based on their experience -
Some said: I am incapable and incompetent to live in Canada - o'common I have a job, house, car, cash in account, etc. I have got really good feedback in just 1 month at work...In fact - this is the advance version of myself. I am working for more than 7 hours a day in office continuously (4 hrs was max in India) and I keep reading books and I am also managing my own finance and cooking and cleaning and a lot f things - which is good - but I've never done so many things myself in India - I had CA for finance - maids, drivers, well lets not get into that - then someone said its good to be self capable but why when we have options...
Some said we're consumer driven country not do savings like India.. I said - how do u manage to save like India here when our basics are so expensive. And if India is not a consumer country - then there is something wrong with Apple, Moto, HP, Dell, Toyota, etc. etc. all take Indian market into consideration before coming up with their next version/product....
Trust me - the way i am living n working here - If I wud have been same in India - i would have saved lot of money and would have grown personally & professionally as well. Imagine kinda efforts we put in for Documents-IELTS-PR-Packing n Moving-Job Hunting-House hunting-trying understand whole new world-etc.etc... I realize if i wud have put in these efforts in something else......
Sometimes I feel we had whole time in the world with friends and relatives everywhere in India...and I have wasted so much time by just going here n there in India and had fun entire day and laughed for 100 times a day...Whereas here - i lost my real laugh.....
I am here on this forum - because I wanted to know why am not able to enjoy my life here...Am i doing something wrong - or My salary is very low where I just meet my basics and save around $1K pm and I should not save that money as well and go on vacation or spend on something which might make us happy??...but then I will not have some emergency funds.... I donno if I should go back or not....please advise.....
Or, maybe this immigration is for the people who are not doing good in India or they don't like India....just a guess...
My feelings are exactly as yours. Can you please help me to avoid the pain by your experience. Did you travel back and happy?
I know I am replying lot later... But what I observed in all the points raised is the "Being in comfort zone attitude" (Not in a negative way). We Indians are taught to be satisfied with what we have and that's actually a good practice. But On other hand a satisfied person can't achieve more. In India we get everything quite easily. Maids are one example, almost every middle class can afford an household worker in India and that's what has made us lazy including me.
We get other daily wage workers at less cost but do we ever bother about any minimum wage for them?? And a laborer can't expect respect in India even in his dreams. That is because of our attitude towards less educated or labor class people (Not every Indian disrespects such people but its a general attitude I am talking here about).
Street food is easy and cheap but is that good for our health? Again I see Work from home in the question.... Well that's another sign of comfort zone. Well we all know in western society that's all different. People do their laundry, repair their cars and maintain there lawns themselves. Which is completely opposite to our Indian "Modern Culture". There used to be a story in our School Books which summarized "Apna Kaam Swayam Karen" "Do your work yourself" but clearly we Indians never follow that.
I am not saying her decision is wrong or something, but probably she overlooked the cultural difference and expected her life to be even more luxurious than in India. And that's where the whole narrative changed. And other than costs or Family re-union issues I don't see any comparisons in both of these countries. Peace
We get other daily wage workers at less cost but do we ever bother about any minimum wage for them?? And a laborer can't expect respect in India even in his dreams. That is because of our attitude towards less educated or labor class people (Not every Indian disrespects such people but its a general attitude I am talking here about).
Street food is easy and cheap but is that good for our health? Again I see Work from home in the question.... Well that's another sign of comfort zone. Well we all know in western society that's all different. People do their laundry, repair their cars and maintain there lawns themselves. Which is completely opposite to our Indian "Modern Culture". There used to be a story in our School Books which summarized "Apna Kaam Swayam Karen" "Do your work yourself" but clearly we Indians never follow that.
I am not saying her decision is wrong or something, but probably she overlooked the cultural difference and expected her life to be even more luxurious than in India. And that's where the whole narrative changed. And other than costs or Family re-union issues I don't see any comparisons in both of these countries. Peace
We are also in similar boat as her, have decent job offer of 100K, but not able to convince ourselves to move. This particularly becomes problem
If we migrate at later stage and career is going fine. Just my salary is over 115K CAD in India, Bangalore. Not even counting my wife’s salary. So much So that, after 14 years of our marriage now, she left job and pursuing her hobbies at home, looking after our kids and managing finances.
What people say about India (pollution, clean air, traffic etc) is certainly true, but it does not impact us due to earnings. We stay at large plush gated
Communities, (Green, Clean, very safe) within it and similar such communities, its as equal to developed countries. I can easily afford staying close
To work place and commute is not an issue and we have made our life within 5 Kms our locality of Bangalore.
You would see all such gated communities one after another, making the overall society cleaner and safe.
Situation would certainly be different if option would have been with USA, we would like our kid to migrate to USA than intermediate Canada.
If we migrate at later stage and career is going fine. Just my salary is over 115K CAD in India, Bangalore. Not even counting my wife’s salary. So much So that, after 14 years of our marriage now, she left job and pursuing her hobbies at home, looking after our kids and managing finances.
What people say about India (pollution, clean air, traffic etc) is certainly true, but it does not impact us due to earnings. We stay at large plush gated
Communities, (Green, Clean, very safe) within it and similar such communities, its as equal to developed countries. I can easily afford staying close
To work place and commute is not an issue and we have made our life within 5 Kms our locality of Bangalore.
You would see all such gated communities one after another, making the overall society cleaner and safe.
Situation would certainly be different if option would have been with USA, we would like our kid to migrate to USA than intermediate Canada.