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Study permit refused, need advice.

erion2018

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Have you been working in some sort of IT position. If you have already studied at a university a college degree is a downgrade. Think your biggest issue is your limited finances and the fact that it is very clear that you are intending to remain in Canada. Would really suggest applying on your own. Your family may not be able to join you if you do get a study permit. Given that you only have 1K in savings it would make no sense to return when you make a lot more in Canada. It would not make sense to spend so much money if only getting a promotion at your current job. I can’t imagine a promotion would result in a huge increase in pay.
Thank you for your comment. I understand that a college degree is downgrade after university in my own country, but my degree is equivalent to Bachelor in Canada, and is not recognized in many country in the world, even in Europe. This can be a big downgrade in VO eye, but he did not mention nothing about light in the education, like they usually dot. I agree that it would be great option to remain in Canada, but of course not illegally. Only if I could apply for PGWP. Frankly, I don't understand why families are more in risk to remain illegally vs single persons. Who is that family that would break the law and loose all the family future. Regarding funds, I have also addition 4k CAD from my mother savings, but I could not justify those. For this reason I did not include those in my bank account. Could be suspicious in VO eye. Regarding promotion, I could gain some salary increase from this company, but also are other companies are willing to pay double or triple of my current salary. Also there are many in Europe. I would not rely only in a college degree paper, but the knowledge that I can gain, really is a great opportunity for my future.
 

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Thank you for your comment. I understand that a college degree is downgrade after university in my own country, but my degree is equivalent to Bachelor in Canada, and is not recognized in many country in the world, even in Europe. This can be a big downgrade in VO eye, but he did not mention nothing about light in the education, like they usually dot. I agree that it would be great option to remain in Canada, but of course not illegally. Only if I could apply for PGWP. Frankly, I don't understand why families are more in risk to remain illegally vs single persons. Who is that family that would break the law and loose all the family future. Regarding funds, I have also addition 4k CAD from my mother savings, but I could not justify those. For this reason I did not include those in my bank account. Could be suspicious in VO eye. Regarding promotion, I could gain some salary increase from this company, but also are other companies are willing to pay double or triple of my current salary. Also there are many in Europe. I would not rely only in a college degree paper, but the knowledge that I can gain, really is a great opportunity for my future.
Most international students are studying in Canada to get PGWP which I assume you are doing or it would not make sense to spend that much money. It cost money to provide education, healthcare, etc. for a whole family versus one single person which is a factor when deciding whether a family can come to Canada. It is also a lot more expensive to support a family, buy flights for a family, etc. in Canada and unfortunately many students run out of money. It is a much bigger problem if a family with children runs out of money versus a student. If you had opportunities in Europe you would have likely sought them out already and either attended school in Albania or in another country. If you want to apply again you should only apply without your family.
 

erion2018

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Most international students are studying in Canada to get PGWP which I assume you are doing or it would not make sense to spend that much money. It cost money to provide education, healthcare, etc. for a whole family versus one single person which is a factor when deciding whether a family can come to Canada. It is also a lot more expensive to support a family, buy flights for a family, etc. in Canada and unfortunately many students run out of money. It is a much bigger problem if a family with children runs out of money versus a student. If you had opportunities in Europe you would have likely sought them out already and either attended school in Albania or in another country. If you want to apply again you should only apply without your family.
Well I did not though this way. In my opinion if a family runs out of money, they will return back home rather than to stay illegally. In Europe I did not had many opportunities because lack of language and not recognised degree. In Albania, it does not really matter if someone has University Degree from back 2010. More prevalent are degrees from Europe. But knowledge is most important. Technically speaking, the IT knowledge that i gained back in 2010, is very old, since technology is changing every day. Think that on that time, no one was speaking for cloud computing, etc.
Sorry to bother you guys with my long comments. I am not trying to explain this things to VO, but rather have a great conversation with all of you.
 

primaprime

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Well I did not though this way. In my opinion if a family runs out of money, they will return back home rather than to stay illegally. In Europe I did not had many opportunities because lack of language and not recognised degree. In Albania, it does not really matter if someone has University Degree from back 2010. More prevalent are degrees from Europe. But knowledge is most important. Technically speaking, the IT knowledge that i gained back in 2010, is very old, since technology is changing every day. Think that on that time, no one was speaking for cloud computing, etc.
Sorry to bother you guys with my long comments. I am not trying to explain this things to VO, but rather have a great conversation with all of you.
Your best bet is definitely to apply alone and show why returning to school after all these years in Canada is important to your professional development back home. Unfortunately because study permits are easier to get, visa officers are wary of the potential for abuse as a backdoor to unauthorized immigration. Too often they see bogus students from poorer countries enrolling in Canadian institutions only to never attend class and work full-time illegally.
 

Sirwise

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@erion2018 , I have critically assessed your profile and rejection reasons. From my personal observation and experience, you can reapply with a strong SOP explaining in detail why you think your chosen program worth the amount you intend to spend on it.
I will advice you to wait for your GCMS notes before you apply again. It's good to note that, if you are rejected based on your family ties in Canada and home country, it doesn't necessarily means that you have family in Canada so you wouldn't return to your home country , however, it means that you couldn't established that your proposed course benefits would outweigh your expenses. The big question is why such a huge cost ???? Try to establish that in your next application. As well ,refusal based on purpose of visit usually depict that you SOP is vague , you couldn't clearly stated why your intended course of study? Try to be more specific and concise.
Hello to all.

In this 2 months, I have visiting this great forum everyday. My study permit got refused. I have applied for GCSM reports, but in meantime I need to find some possibilities to re-apply in the future. I have applied for My, my spouse and 3 kids. For 2 of them is issued CAQ, spouse SOWP. Below is my timeline:
1. Applied for Fall 20 at LaSalle College. Applied from Albania.
2. After admission, applied for CAQ on 25/5/2020
3. Receipt of documents 05/06/2020
4. Issued CAQ 29/06/2020
5. Applied for Study Permit on 06/07/2020
6. Biometrics request on 08/07/2020
7. Biometrics taken on 10/07/2020 on Friday.
8. Correspondence biometrics letter on 13/07/2020
9. Correspondence refusal letter on 13/07/2020.

Final decision was made on 10/7/2020, and final decision on 13. This is strange that on the same day biometrics were submitted, they have made the decision so fast.
VO explanation:

• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
• I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay, as stipulated in subsection 216(1) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status

1. First reason. I did not attach any property letter, since I don't have any, apart of car in my name, which does not explain ties to my home country. I don't understand tie in Canada.
I have 2 first cousin in Montreal, one with temporary work permit and the second with study permit from the same college. I did not meantion them, since they are not relative. Relative in Canada are called, siblings, aunt etc. In forms attached, I have stated that my mother will not accompany me. Is this not a strong home tie? I also did not include property in my mothers name, apartment, land and store.
2. Second reason. I cannot explain it, since is a standard one.
3. Third reason. My sister-in-law was sponsoring me with 60,000 CAD of 70,000 in total. I have attached in proof of fund her bank statement, her employment certificate stated her salary, her tax income.
Also attached my previous and current employment letter.

I think that VO have refused my application is because in my sister-in-law bank statement, value of 70,000 CAD was not maintained for 4 month in a raw. Reason was that she had put this money in saving deposit, but i failed to attach a contract stating this event.
Also in my bank statement I had only 1000 CAD from my salary. In my LOE I have explained that due to Covid 19, my sister-in-law could not transfer this value to my bank account, since banks were closed for the period march-may and there was not time after this period to fulfill the 4 month requirement. This was my true intention to not transfer this money.

I have defer to Winter 2021 and I will reapply on December.

I need some help from you guys.

1. In my second application I will state the first refusal. Should I explain in details the reasons that VO has refused the study permit?
2. Till December I have 4.5 month. My sister-in-law will transfer 60.000 CAD in my bank account. This sum will be in this account for a period of more than 4 month. Could the VO ask why I have this money now and could not had in the previous application, or since this money is there for a period of 4 month, he will not judge me?
3. To address tie in Canada and home Country, should I attach a letter from my current employer that he will offer me a better position after finishing study. Did not include this in previous application. Did not thought that I would need this statement.
4. Should I mention my cousins TR and study permit in my second application?

Any of your comments will be appreciated and sorry for the long post.

Thank you all.
@erion2018 , I have critically assessed your profile and rejection reasons. From my personal observations and experience, you can reapply with a strong SOP explaining in detail why you think your chosen program worth the amount you intend to spend on it.
I will advice you to wait for your GCMS notes before you apply again. It's good to note that, if you are rejected based on your on your personal assets and financial status, it doesn't necessarily means that you should show many properties in your name or huge amount in your account , however, it means that you couldn't established that your proposed course benefits would outweigh your expenses. The big question is why such a huge cost ???? Try to establish that in your next application. As well ,refusal based on purpose of visit usually depict that your SOP is vague , you couldn't clearly stated the reason why you chose your intended course of study? Try to be more specific and concise. Also, about your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence. The VO is not trying to say that you have family in Canada hence you wouldn't return to your home country, what I understand about this is that , What economic or family ties do you have in your home country that might be an incentive for you to return upon graduation. Try to explain to the VO about job offers, salary improvement, Family( spouse, children or parents) living in your country, projects you are currently undertaking, any assets in your name that might be the motivation to return home.
Don't worry about the proof of fund shown in your sister-in-law's account, however, it will be better if you show it in your personal account . Supposing you are able to do that, you have to justify where you got that money into your account now. Alternatively, you can still use your sister-in-law's bank statement but in your 2nd attempt , pay your full-year tuition to proof that your sponsor in that regard is serious to sponsor you.

All the best .
 
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erion2018

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@erion2018 , I have critically assessed your profile and rejection reasons. From my personal observation and experience, you can reapply with a strong SOP explaining in detail why you think your chosen program worth the amount you intend to spend on it.
I will advice you to wait for your GCMS notes before you apply again. It's good to note that, if you are rejected based on your family ties in Canada and home country, it doesn't necessarily means that you have family in Canada so you wouldn't return to your home country , however, it means that you couldn't established that your proposed course benefits would outweigh your expenses. The big question is why such a huge cost ???? Try to establish that in your next application. As well ,refusal based on purpose of visit usually depict that you SOP is vague , you couldn't clearly stated why your intended course of study? Try to be more specific and concise.


@erion2018 , I have critically assessed your profile and rejection reasons. From my personal observations and experience, you can reapply with a strong SOP explaining in detail why you think your chosen program worth the amount you intend to spend on it.
I will advice you to wait for your GCMS notes before you apply again. It's good to note that, if you are rejected based on your on your personal assets and financial status, it doesn't necessarily means that you should show many properties in your name or huge amount in your account , however, it means that you couldn't established that your proposed course benefits would outweigh your expenses. The big question is why such a huge cost ???? Try to establish that in your next application. As well ,refusal based on purpose of visit usually depict that your SOP is vague , you couldn't clearly stated the reason why you chose your intended course of study? Try to be more specific and concise. Also, about your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence. The VO is not trying to say that you have family in Canada hence you wouldn't return to your home country, what I understand about this is that , What economic or family ties do you have in your home country that might be an incentive for you to return upon graduation. Try to explain to the VO about job offers, salary improvement, Family( spouse, children or parents) living in your country, projects you are currently undertaking, any assets in your name that might be the motivation to return home.
Don't worry about the proof of fund shown in your sister-in-law's account, however, it will be better if you show it in your personal account . Supposing you are able to do that, you have to justify where you got that money into your account now. Alternatively, you can still use your sister-in-law's bank statement but in your 2nd attempt , pay your full-year tuition to proof that your sponsor in that regard is serious to sponsor you.

All the best .
Your comment was clear as crystal. Thanks for that. I also think that I did not make a strong SOP. Well it is my first time apply for visa. I will wait for GCSM and already deferred my study to Winter 2021, so I have a lot of time. About ties in home country, in form I have declared that my mother, which she is a widow, will not accompany me. Probably I should state this fact. Personally I don't think that property is a bigger reason to come back than my mother left alone.
I'm truly thankful to your advice. Thank you.
 
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jweekend

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It was true that I had only 1000 CAD in my account, since I have worked honestly for 15 years. But my salary and that of my wife, is not enough to save so much money. For this reason I needed sponsor. From my bank statement, you have concluded that I am not genuine student. This way can think also VO. But being genuine student means that I will study and leave Canada at the end, and I will not stay illegally. Although there is an option to apply for PGWP. Even if PGWP will could be refused, I will return with a Canadian diploma, which opens so much oportunities in my own country. My intention is not to stay illegally in Canada with my hole family. In Albania, most of best jobs position are fulfilled from student coming from Europe. But because of language barriers, my only options are England, US and Canada. England is hard to enter with their study restrictions. US is a big no for me. Only Canada left. So I an assure you that during my entire life, I never did emigrate and never stayed anywhere illegally. Anyway you are right in your way of thinking. The same I can be seen on VO eye. Probably I need a strong SOP this time.
How do you possibly justify spending so much money to get a Canadian diploma? It is not likely that it will benefit your career when you return to your home country. Honestly ask yourself that. The cost of getting your diploma in Canada outweighs the economic benefits you'll get back in your home country. There is no possible way that you'll earn back enough to cover the costs.

Also, many people that would fit your profile has in the past abused the study permit and go "missing" after arriving into Canada and not even enroll into the university that they are supposed to. Which puts higher scrutiny on your application.
 

erion2018

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How do you possibly justify spending so much money to get a Canadian diploma? It is not likely that it will benefit your career when you return to your home country. Honestly ask yourself that. The cost of getting your diploma in Canada outweighs the economic benefits you'll get back in your home country. There is no possible way that you'll earn back enough to cover the costs.

Also, many people that would fit your profile has in the past abused the study permit and go "missing" after arriving into Canada and not even enroll into the university that they are supposed to. Which puts higher scrutiny on your application.
My friend, I will be honest to you and all members of this forum. I did not hide the will to stay if I would graduate and apply for PGWP. If I will come back in my country, for sure it open me many possibilities for higher salary. Right now my salary is 1000 CAD per month and the average is 400 CAD. There are many foreign companies that need skills people. It is also true that for the moment I did apply, I had only 1000 CAD in my bank account, but it was not like that all the time. Also with my degree from Albania and Canadian diploma, there are many possibilities in Europe. Don't forget that fact. Another important fact is that my english language will be better and because I can live in Quebec, also I will also learn french. For this reason, frankly speaking, I have nothing to loose. For this reasons I see as investment for my life. Please try to understand me. I have lost 10 year not having enough knowledge about changes of computer technologies. Where I will be after another 10 years if I don't invest now in my future.
 

erion2018

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Of the topic guys. Why is that hard for the government to put some rules for the student to get attendant prove from the university or college and upload to his personal records, like SIN number or something. Everyone with TRV will have a bank account, an address to live. He/she can be tracked down by this information.
 

primaprime

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Of the topic guys. Why is that hard for the government to put some rules for the student to get attendant prove from the university or college and upload to his personal records, like SIN number or something. Everyone with TRV will have a bank account, an address to live. He/she can be tracked down by this information.
Colleges and universities generally report their international students' enrolment statuses to IRCC each semester so they know if you're studying full-time; however, there is not a particularly large budget for tracking down and deporting people so they end up prioritizing serious criminals. Of course, you can't indefinitely get away with not complying with the conditions of your stay in Canada, but neither are the police likely to come knocking on your door the day after you lose status.
 

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My friend, I will be honest to you and all members of this forum. I did not hide the will to stay if I would graduate and apply for PGWP. If I will come back in my country, for sure it open me many possibilities for higher salary. Right now my salary is 1000 CAD per month and the average is 400 CAD. There are many foreign companies that need skills people. It is also true that for the moment I did apply, I had only 1000 CAD in my bank account, but it was not like that all the time. Also with my degree from Albania and Canadian diploma, there are many possibilities in Europe. Don't forget that fact. Another important fact is that my english language will be better and because I can live in Quebec, also I will also learn french. For this reason, frankly speaking, I have nothing to loose. For this reasons I see as investment for my life. Please try to understand me. I have lost 10 year not having enough knowledge about changes of computer technologies. Where I will be after another 10 years if I don't invest now in my future.
Do not feel guilty at all, if your intention is to stay back after your studies. It is completely legal to do that, and the government makes it possible to stay with a PGWP and eventually you will get a PR. Like you said, it’s an investment in your future. However, you have to satisfy the VO that you are a student who meets the condition of one that would return to his country after studies. That means that you have to show that you have something back home that would motivate you to return to your country. So, not applying with your family at the same time is one. Don’t resign your job; just apply for a study leave for one year. When you succeed and you are studying in Canada, you can apply for a visit visa for your family. Chances of success in that situation is higher. Once your family come in, they can easily apply to change their statuses. But if the intention is to come in and not study, the system will frustrate you. Finally, with your first application in trouble, I would still advise you to ask your aunty in Quebec to help you get professional help of a lawyer or a good immigration consultant to help you package the application on a wholistic basis once you have your GCMS reports. Even if you write a very good SOP, the chances of another refusal is high. Mark my words on this. Once your application is rejected the first time, the chances of another rejection is high, if you do it your self. Good luck with your reapplication
 
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