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Study Permit - Is Age a Barrier, Please Help!

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Endurance said:
Hi,
Yes, to an extent this is true about the age factor favoring the Western countries applicants which I overlooked. Can you give me the link for General category requirements as I couldn't find the same on the CIC website, since I am still at the preparation level.

What do you personally( if you are able to analyze) feel about my chances in getting through courses like Trade / Apprentice and Construction programs as compared with Masters / Phd suggested by you? Since these streams are in demand in Canada and the absorption into Employment is much quicker.

Thanks.
I know several students from India who are enrolled in non-post graduate Trade programs (aircraft mechanics and construction fields). They had previous education that was unrelated. In their cases, each was able to write a strong cover letter explaining that they were interested in changing career fields, citing the strong job market in the trades they were applying to. Don't assume you won't be admitted into a trade program simply because it might be considered a bit unconventional by some.

Best of luck to you in your endeavours.
 

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NeedleArtist said:
I know several students from India who are enrolled in non-post graduate Trade programs (aircraft mechanics and construction fields). They had previous education that was unrelated. In their cases, each was able to write a strong cover letter explaining that they were interested in changing career fields, citing the strong job market in the trades they were applying to. Don't assume you won't be admitted into a trade program simply because it might be considered a bit unconventional by some.

Best of luck to you in your endeavours.
i dont believe its the admission that is a problem rather visa would be an issue . if they mention good job market in canada there is a likely chance visa will be rejected as VO will think they dont plan to return. How ever a good cover letter and make a whole lot of difference. this is just my opinion
 

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i dont believe its the admission that is a problem rather visa would be an issue . if they mention good job market in canada there is a likely chance visa will be rejected as VO will think they dont plan to return. How ever a good cover letter and make a whole lot of difference. this is just my opinion
I didn't specify the Canadian job market. The students I referred to are enrolled now, which clearly means they were able to get approved study permits. Obviously it would be a mistake to believe that everyone who applies will be successful... but it would be just as big a mistake to automatically discount one's chances.
 

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NeedleArtist said:
I know several students from India who are enrolled in non-post graduate Trade programs (aircraft mechanics and construction fields). They had previous education that was unrelated. In their cases, each was able to write a strong cover letter explaining that they were interested in changing career fields, citing the strong job market in the trades they were applying to. Don't assume you won't be admitted into a trade program simply because it might be considered a bit unconventional by some.

Best of luck to you in your endeavours.
Hi,

While studying any trade course for Indians in Canada, is not a problem. Problem what I meant was.. the applicant will simply not get visa form the Canadian High commission (CHC) here. Most student ,who do study trade courses, even after say Bachelors or Masters here in India, apply for Canadian visa on some appropriate course, matching to their profile, and after getting visa, entering Canada, change their course to that of trade or any other desired course.
 

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NeedleArtist said:
I didn't specify the Canadian job market. The students I referred to are enrolled now, which clearly means they were able to get approved study permits. Obviously it would be a mistake to believe that everyone who applies will be successful... but it would be just as big a mistake to automatically discount one's chances.
like tiger said above students apply for relevant course and when they reach canada change to trade schools then go for PR etc. but if they start with trade school and explain about job market in their home country that would be difficult to believe for VO. It wont make sense to spend so much money studying in canada to learn a trade skill and come back to home country(i am taking about countries like india and pakistan) cause trade skill jobs dont pay enough. hence trade skill are only good if in Canada. Do u see the catch 22
 

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mead said:
like tiger said above students apply for relevant course and when they reach canada change to trade schools then go for PR etc. but if they start with trade school and explain about job market in their home country that would be difficult to believe for VO. It wont make sense to spend so much money studying in canada to learn a trade skill and come back to home country(i am taking about countries like india and pakistan) cause trade skill jobs dont pay enough. hence trade skill are only good if in Canada. Do u see the catch 22
Exactly.
 

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mead said:
like tiger said above students apply for relevant course and when they reach canada change to trade schools then go for PR etc. but if they start with trade school and explain about job market in their home country that would be difficult to believe for VO. It wont make sense to spend so much money studying in canada to learn a trade skill and come back to home country(i am taking about countries like india and pakistan) cause trade skill jobs dont pay enough. hence trade skill are only good if in Canada. Do u see the catch 22

To change course after reaching Canada doesn't happen by default. You need to convince CIC else ready for refusal.
 

tiger007

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To change course after reaching Canada doesn't happen by default. You need to convince CIC else ready for refusal.
Hi,

Before you speak.. verify the truth.

If you see a current study permit. It is mentioned as, TYPE: Any Post Secondary Course.

Everyone used to say, you have to apply for change in visa condition to CIC/CPC, Alberta and all that.It was like that earlier. But truth is... Now... forget convince..you don't even need to notify CIC. Nothing. If the course is of equal duration, change immediately... In case, the new course is of longer duration, one just needs to extend the study permit. That's it. No convincing, no applying for change in visa condition... Nothing.

As long as you get admission to a new course (trade, diploma..whatever), show the offer letter to your 1st college and if they agree to you withdrawing form their institute (most of time it is no problem...so many students go and change colleges, especially this year Sept. intake..it's happening more)... you are free to change and join any course, any college, any province (except Quebec).

It's a different thing..if the existing college and/or the agent for the sake of their commission, refuse to grant the student withdrawal.
 

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tiger007 said:
Hi,

Before you speak.. verify the truth.

If you see a current study permit. It is mentioned as, TYPE: Any Post Secondary Course.

Everyone used to say, you have to apply for change in visa condition to CIC/CPC, Alberta and all that.It was like that earlier. But truth is... Now... forget convince..you don't even need to notify CIC. Nothing. If the course is of equal duration, change immediately... In case, the new course is of longer duration, one just needs to extend the study permit. That's it. No convincing, no applying for change in visa condition... Nothing.

As long as you get admission to a new course (trade, diploma..whatever), show the offer letter to your 1st college and if they agree to you withdrawing form their institute (most of time it is no problem...so many students go and change colleges, especially this year Sept. intake..it's happening more)... you are free to change and join any course, any college, any province (except Quebec).

It's a different thing..if the existing college and/or the agent for the sake of their commission, refuse to grant the student withdrawal.
Do you have a proof to justify your point. Don't you think if you are interpreting (Visa Type- Any Post Secondary Course) little bit too much. You are using your "own logic" with no valid CIC web link. I respect your logic but I would prefer to rely on an official proof.


Do you understand the logic behind;

"If you are changing schools and/or your program of study but remain at the same level (e.g., secondary level), you do not need to modify your study permit.

However, if for example you are a student at the primary school level and you are moving on to secondary school, or if you are a secondary school student and you are moving on to post-secondary studies, or if you are moving from post-secondary studies to secondary studies, you need to submit an application to modify your study permit at the Citizenship and Immigration Canada Case Processing Centre in Vegreville, Alberta."
 

tiger007

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Do you have a proof to justify your point. Don't you think if you are interpreting (Visa Type- Any Post Secondary Course) little bit too much. You are using your "own logic" with no valid CIC web link. I respect your logic but I would prefer to rely on an official proof.


Do you understand the logic behind;

"If you are changing schools and/or your program of study but remain at the same level (e.g., secondary level), you do not need to modify your study permit.

However, if for example you are a student at the primary school level and you are moving on to secondary school, or if you are a secondary school student and you are moving on to post-secondary studies, or if you are moving from post-secondary studies to secondary studies, you need to submit an application to modify your study permit at the Citizenship and Immigration Canada Case Processing Centre in Vegreville, Alberta."

Hi,

The Proof is right in front of you. All you need to do is..apply some "common sense"... and see the clear picture.The statement quoted by you of CIC and the study permit being open to all post secondary course is the biggest proof and has enough "Logic" in it, for you to figure out that you don't need to inform CIC while changing from one post secondary course to another.

I'm telling you because I know its the fact, and students often change the course there.

HAVE U EVER SEEN A REAL STUDY PERMIT RECENTLY? Have you talked to any immigration lawyer or people who did this in Canada?


Like you quoted:
Official CIC states that:

However, if for example you are a student at the primary school level and you are moving on to secondary school, or if you are a secondary school student and you are moving on to post-secondary studies, or if you are moving from post-secondary studies to secondary studies, you need to submit an application to modify your study permit at the Citizenship and Immigration Canada Case Processing Centre in Vegreville, Alberta."

(This clearly indicates that you DO NOT need to notify CIC or apply for change in visa condition if you are jumping from one Post secondary course to another.)

Also remember: Certificate, Diploma, trade diplomas/certificates, bachelors, Pg certificates, Pg diplomas...etc. all courses are POST SECONDARY. (after secondary)- In Canada, a post-secondary course usually provides credit towards a degree, diploma or certificate.

And study permit type is: Any Post Secondary Course

SO, you do not need to notify CIC, in case you are studying another post secondary course..


Know the reality. Just because for a long time on this forum, people have been saying, that one needs to do change in visa condition,. which I admit, even I believed... but in reality that is not the case.

Also, for example you see the FEDERAL CLASS CEC immigration route: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/apply-who.asp
They have mentioned:
If you apply as a graduate of a Canadian post-secondary educational institution with Canadian work experience, it will be assessed using the above requirements, as well as:
your education.
*Note they HAVE NOT mentioned any courses as separate, such as diploma or pg diploma, trad diploma etc. They say- Post Secondary educational institute...it means all colleges and Universities are post secondary educational institute.
So, as long as you study a full-time Canadian post-secondary educational program of at least two years or
a one-year Master's program (certificates and diplomas cannot be counted) and an additional year of education, obtained in Canada, before admission into the one-year program (for a total of two years).
Then work for 1 year in a skilled job, as an international graduate only then you can apply for PR under CEC-Canadian Experience Class.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/graduates.asp

If required, you can even consult immigration lawyers in Canada.... and they too will tell you there is no need to notify CIC.

Hope it is clear. If still you don't believe me, contact me personally, I will show you and further you can speak to students in Canada, who are easily changing courses form PG to simple diplomas, form one college to another, differing admission form Sept to Jan intake, and even did 1 sem course in PG..then dropped out and joined simple diploma in another college.... all this... without notifying a damn thing to CIC. Only thing, if the duration of course is longer, one needs to extend the study permit. That's it.

And I will not attach a disclaimer on this post, because I know..it is 100% true.

Have a good day.
 

Julia.jenn4

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Endurance said:
Hi all Colleagues / Experts,

I have finished my Graduation in 1991 from India, age is 42 years and since 1991 I have not engaged in any studies. Currently working in Construction/Interior field.
I would like to know that if I wish to take up a Trade / Apprenticeship diploma in Canada is it possible given the above factors? If yes could you guide me for appropriate colleges where I will be eligible for off campus work?

Await your valuable inputs & advice.

Thanks
Endurance
 

csajiv

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NeedleArtist said:
I didn't specify the Canadian job market. The students I referred to are enrolled now, which clearly means they were able to get approved study permits. Obviously it would be a mistake to believe that everyone who applies will be successful... but it would be just as big a mistake to automatically discount one's chances.
I just read you refer students for enrollments, is there any way I can discuss my case with you. I am 28 year old and have an acceptance from a College in Canada, but they say my chances are bleak. Please let me know if you could help me in anyway
 

Sudh

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Endurance said:
Hi,
Yes, to an extent this is true about the age factor favoring the Western countries applicants which I overlooked. Can you give me the link for General category requirements as I couldn't find the same on the CIC website, since I am still at the preparation level.

What do you personally( if you are able to analyze) feel about my chances in getting through courses like Trade / Apprentice and Construction programs as compared with Masters / Phd suggested by you? Since these streams are in demand in Canada and the absorption into Employment is much quicker.

Thanks.
Hi Endurance,

After going through your post here and a highly motivating response from Tiger, pls let the fellow members (especially from India) know the outcome of your endeavor to pick up a Trade/PG program and share your experience !

Rgds.
 

maxankush

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Amit Sarna said:
Hi -
Due to long gaps in studies....we can not apply under spp visa category
Like in my case i have completed graduation in 2005n since them I am working ....
.thanks
GUYS HELP NEEDED ENORMOUSLY...!!! I got 6.5 bands in IELTS with L-7.5,R-5.5,W-6,S-6 respectively. Jan intake is coming and I'm very much keen to enroll this time. As if I want to pursue my P.G Diploma through CANADA and I did my graduation in 2007. subsequently, MBA in 2010. So, now I want to know the considerable education gap for p.g diploma programmes??? Moreover, am I eligible for pg diploma in canada with this record ???since then(after 2010) I'm self employed. As you already faced this situation so nobody knows better than you. I also request you to plz reply and I will be highly obliged if you do this to me.