Study Permit first, PR under CEC later

[koolpaari]

Hi,

My question is regarding dual intent visa. I have read many queries on this website about applying a TRV/Study permit after PR application is submitted. My case is reverse. I have an admit for MBA in Canada. In addition, I am also eligible to apply for a PR under CEC. As the course start date is approaching fast, I am considering applying for Study Permit first and then a PR later.
1. Could applying a Study Permit first and PR later (esp immediately after the Study Permit is approved) cause me any problem? Do I need to show my ‘dual intent’ intentions while applying for Study Permit?
2. In case VO sees any trouble with the PR application, can he/she revoke the study permit? If this could be a case, then would it be beneficial for me to apply for Study Permit after applying for the PR?
3. In any case, where do I need to mention that I have dual intent? I tried searching on net but could not find any link. Could anyone please share a link where I can find the detailed information.

Thanks in advance.

 

[spookyb]

Just my opinion, but you could try applying for the study permit first. In that case, there is no dual intent. Once you've received it, file your application for PR, because you can always decide you want to stay permanently once you have been given the temporary visa.

 

[spookyb]

Just to clarify, if you apply for the study permit, DO NOT mention dual intent. The entire premise of the study permit is that it is temporary. You will have to show the contrary, i.e., you will have to show them that you will return to your home country after your studies.

Once you have received the study permit, there is nothing preventing you from changing your mind and applying for PR. That is what everyone who is here on a temporary permit does. The fact that you have a study permit will have absolutely no impact on the PR application.

 

[YoungJC]

I don't believe it will be a problem at all. A friend of mine applied for a study permit and completed a 1 year masters program while waiting for his PR under CEC. You'll have to show proof of funds and all that, but it should not affect your PR application at all.
Remember, higher education is not a negative to the country so they won't knock your hustle.
Goodluck

 

[koolpaari]

Thanks spookyb and YoungJC for your responses. I had thought I should mention something while applying for Study Permit. I will not do anything stupid now and apply as if this is the only thing I am gonna apply.

My main concern is my Study Permit, not the PR application. The admit that I mentioned above is from a top university. PR will just help me in reduced fee during 2nd year, and finding job and internship without any work visa hassle. I just want to make sure that my PR application submission will not have any impact on my then approved Study Permit. Just to give you a clearer picture, below are the approx dates when I intend to submit documentations:

Study Permit apply - 27th May 2013
Study Permit and TRV processed – 14th June 2013 (Processing takes maximum 15 days in India)
Apply for PR – 25th June 2013
Leave for Canada – Aug 2013
Course start – Sept 2013

Since I will apply for the PR before actually leaving for Canada, I hope it will not change the dynamics of the situation. Just want to be doubly sure.. not wanting to mess up things here!!! ???

Thanks again guys.

 

[InfoSeeker12]

Koolpari,

Firstly - you may want to read this article regarding dual intent on cic website:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/study/institutions/intent.asp

The crux of the article is:
What students must do in applying for a study permit pertaining to dual intent

In applying for a study permit, a student must first and foremost clearly demonstrate to the Visa officer that he or she intends to respect the requirement that study permit holders leave Canada by the end of the period authorized for their stay which usually corresponds with the completion of studies and expiry of their study permit.

You can write in a covering letter that you are eligible and will apply for PR application as well, but you will have to convince the officer that incase your PR application doesn't go through, you are fully ready to complete your studies and leave Canada before your study permit expires. So yes, the easiest thing is you dont need to mention anything yet. And if someone does, their study permit application WILL NOT be refused - as CIC acknowledges that most of the students who come here would want to apply for PR application later. Kind of a default thing.

I've got 2 questions for you :

1 - if you are already eligible for a CEC application (You have worked in Canada for 12 months already?) then why not apply for CEC application and come here only when you get your permit. (i wonder if your uni can let you "defer" a semester - instead of starting in September, can the uni let you start in Jan or when ever the following semester starts?). Life becomes so much easier when you land here as an immigrant. On study permit - things are pretty restricted and its costly - im not talking about tuition - other stuffs like health, taking a loan, perhaps taking a semester off and working - its just so relaxed etc.

2 - You may have already checked this - but im just curious if there are different Fees for international and Canadian immigrants/citizens - in MBA programs? When i last checked, most of the top MBA programs - have same fee structure. But again, things might be different now.

 

[koolpaari]

Thanks InfoSeeker12 for the reply. I guess, I will go ahead with the easiest thing – don’t mention anything at all ;D. I hope VO will see my PR application and dont think ‘why this person didn’t mention his intentions while applying for Study Permit!’

I found below text on a website. Although it is not directly relevant to my situation, it expresses a broad idea about dual-intent; an idea that resonates with most of the suggestions provided above:
www[dot]cicnews[dot]com/2000/03/dual-intent-operations-memorandum-03426.html
It is important to note that the concept of Dual Intent is not particularly relevant to individuals who have already entered Canada as visitors (including foreign workers and international students) and then subsequently decide to apply for Canadian permanent resident status. Their applications for permanent resident status will in general not be prejudiced by the fact that they are currently in Canada on a temporary basis.

Reg the questions:
1. Deferring the admit is not an option for me. I understand that PR would help me a lot, but I have to get this study phase over and start over asap.
2. In the MBA fee, there is a marginal difference. In almost all b-schools, the fee for PR and citizens is almost 10-15K lower than that for international students. The fee difference for other courses such as Masters in Sciences or Mathematics area is substantial!

 

[koolpaari]

Just an update. I have applied the Study Permit. Will apply the PR once I get my Study Visa and TRV done.
Thanks all for your suggestions and help.

 

[koolpaari]

Hi Guys,

If I may, I would like to reopen this thread for one more query..

I got my Study permit last month. I am now applying for the PR. Should I mention things along with my PR application such as:
1. "I already have a TRV" (I have not yet entered Canada. I shall submit PR application in July end and reach by Aug end)
2. "I have no intentions of staying permanently if PR is denied" (and show strong ties to parent country)
3. If I should mention pt # 2, should I strongly advocate my case or just mention it casually coz my case does not really fall in dual intent... (as suggested in above posts)

Appreciate the help.

Thanks.

 

[Leon]

No, you don't have to mention anything about your TRV. The PR application is a completely separate process.

 

[InfoSeeker12]

Hi KoolPari,

There is another pari too on this site. Man, i feel im in disney land
But im grateful to know that i could be of help to someone, even though im not an expert.

Firstly, recall whatever i told you about Dual Intent. Now, delete all of that from you mind. Done? Re-format that space once more - so its completely erased. The reason, you have got your Study permit now. You have already convinced the officer that you will return back to home once your study finishes. Hence, they gave you study permit.

Now, you are applying for CEC.

Let me answer you below point by point (in blue font)

Hi Guys,

If I may, I would like to reopen this thread for one more query..

I got my Study permit last month. I am now applying for the PR. Should I mention things along with my PR application such as:
1. "I already have a TRV" (I have not yet entered Canada. I shall submit PR application in July end and reach by Aug end)

When the officer will punch in your client id no. (UCI no.) they will know you have a study permit already. Do you really need to tell this in a cover letter. No, its not something that they dont know. its only where the application form asks 'have you ever applied to Canada'...then just give date, type of visa and result.

2. "I have no intentions of staying permanently if PR is denied" (and show strong ties to parent country)
And the officer will say, 'yea right, you have no intentions to stay, i believe you'..(kidding!) I'm not sure if the CEC guide anywhere asks you to 'convince the officer' that you will return if your application is not successful. At least not in my time. If you are thinking about Dual Intent - dont..you have already got Study permit. So, in my opinion (which is a non-expert opinion) you dont need to mention it.

3. If I should mention pt # 2, should I strongly advocate my case or just mention it casually coz my case does not really fall in dual intent... (as suggested in above posts)

Define strongly! "LISTEN YO! I WILL RETURN, I DONT NEED YOUR STINKING PR". No, please. not that strong. (im just kidding). Neither strongly nor casually. You dont have to at all. In the CEC phase, you are past dual intent stage. So apply with full confidence.




Appreciate the help.

Thanks.

And guys if any of you are in exact situation - Applying for CEC while you are on Study Permit...please do share your knowledge with us.

All the best.

 

[koolpaari]

Thanks Leon and Infoseeker for your valuable comments.. I am so glad that I asked you guys, otherwise I would have submitted unnecessary dual intent explanations..

I am almost done with my application.. will submit it tomorrow.. Thanks a lot guyz.. it would never have happened without your help...

@infoseeker: i cant find any column called : 'have you ever applied to canada' or something similar to that.. am i missing something??