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Spouse visitor visa refused

carolbb23

VIP Member
Jun 24, 2016
3,564
406
toronto
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
mississauga
App. Filed.......
15\12\2015
Doc's Request.
already did for applications
Nomination.....
n/a
AOR Received.
15/01/2016
IELTS Request
n/a
File Transfer...
10/03/2017
Med's Request
n/a
Med's Done....
02/11/2015
Interview........
thank god no interview
Passport Req..
n/a
VISA ISSUED...
28/04/2017
LANDED..........
28/04/2017
profiler said:
If it wasn't, then she would have some record of compliance (I am guessing it's not a previous record of non-compliance). So unless she was previously non-compliant with some other entry, it's probably brand new.

Maybe meet half way and have a honeymoon and have pictures it good for you outland sponsorship application
 

canuck_in_uk

VIP Member
May 4, 2012
31,553
7,204
Visa Office......
London
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06/12
profiler said:
Pick somewhere with low or no requirements for entry.
Travelling to visa-free countries doesn't really count for anything. IRCC wants to see travel to developed countries that require visas, like the US, UK etc.; a person showing that they visited such countries and left as per the terms of their visa is less of a risk to overstay in Canada.
 

profiler

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Aug 10, 2016
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Visa Office......
CPC-Mississauga
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-MAR-2016
AOR Received.
13-MAY-2016
IELTS Request
Upfront
Med's Request
Upfront; Passed
Interview........
Waived
LANDED..........
05-MAY-2017
canuck_in_uk said:
Travelling to visa-free countries doesn't really count for anything. IRCC wants to see travel to developed countries that require visas, like the US, UK etc.; a person showing that they visited such countries and left as per the terms of their visa is less of a risk to overstay in Canada.
Not true. My wife and mother-in-law's travel history only included Turkey, Egypt, and Schengen. My mother-in-law did not have any Schengen visits at all. Both were able to get Multiple Entry visitor visas in under 7 actual days.
 

xeurion

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Mar 12, 2017
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profiler said:
Not true. My wife and mother-in-law's travel history only included Turkey, Egypt, and Schengen. My mother-in-law did not have any Schengen visits at all. Both were able to get Multiple Entry visitor visas in under 7 actual days.
Thanks for the guidance guys. Btw, my parents were also planning to travel with her and its their third time successfully getting Canadian Visa. I wish she could be added in their application as a family member but the online submission system did not associate in-laws as family. Maybe that could have made a good impression that she is coming along with people who have great travel history records?
 

profiler

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Aug 10, 2016
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2,846
Category........
Visa Office......
CPC-Mississauga
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-MAR-2016
AOR Received.
13-MAY-2016
IELTS Request
Upfront
Med's Request
Upfront; Passed
Interview........
Waived
LANDED..........
05-MAY-2017
xeurion said:
Thanks for the guidance guys. Btw, my parents were also planning to travel with her and its their third time successfully getting Canadian Visa. I wish she could be added in their application as a family member but the online submission system did not associate in-laws as family. Maybe that could have made a good impression that she is coming along with people who have great travel history records?
No, unfortunately, she will have to have her own travel history.
 

Sous02

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Jul 25, 2015
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Category........
Visa Office......
warsaw
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
18-04-16
Doc's Request.
22-08-2016
AOR Received.
06-05-16
File Transfer...
28-05-16
Med's Done....
Up front/passed
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
10-10-2016
VISA ISSUED...
17-10-2016
LANDED..........
02-11-2016
Folks it is not about the travel to other countries as it is about it being your spouse or fiancé. My wife was turned down twice but her coworker who is coming to visit us was granted a five year visa. Exact same circumstances including travel except for the fact that she is not my spouse or fiancé. They even have or had I should say the same ties to home such as job, family and property. Proving that it they will return home is the challenge. And above all a lottery.
 

profiler

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Aug 10, 2016
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Visa Office......
CPC-Mississauga
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Pre-Assessed..
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02-MAR-2016
AOR Received.
13-MAY-2016
IELTS Request
Upfront
Med's Request
Upfront; Passed
Interview........
Waived
LANDED..........
05-MAY-2017
Sous02 said:
Folks it is not about the travel to other countries as it is about it being your spouse or fiancé. My wife was turned down twice but her coworker who is coming to visit us was granted a five year visa. Exact same circumstances including travel except for the fact that she is not my spouse or fiancé. They even have or had I should say the same ties to home such as job, family and property. Proving that it they will return home is the challenge. And above all a lottery.
I did mention dual intent. However, no travel history will only amplify the concern that she wouldn't leave.
 

xeurion

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Mar 12, 2017
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profiler said:
I did mention dual intent. However, no travel history will only amplify the concern that she wouldn't leave.
I came to Canada first on a study permit TRV in 2009 with no travel history at all. Didn't know that it is such a big concern now.
 

carolbb23

VIP Member
Jun 24, 2016
3,564
406
toronto
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
mississauga
App. Filed.......
15\12\2015
Doc's Request.
already did for applications
Nomination.....
n/a
AOR Received.
15/01/2016
IELTS Request
n/a
File Transfer...
10/03/2017
Med's Request
n/a
Med's Done....
02/11/2015
Interview........
thank god no interview
Passport Req..
n/a
VISA ISSUED...
28/04/2017
LANDED..........
28/04/2017
xeurion said:
I came to Canada first on a study permit TRV in 2009 with no travel history at all. Didn't know that it is such a big concern now.

the problem is she ha's you here and they are afraid she will not leave that's why they are tough
 

canuck_in_uk

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May 4, 2012
31,553
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Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
06/12
profiler said:
Not true. My wife and mother-in-law's travel history only included Turkey, Egypt, and Schengen. My mother-in-law did not have any Schengen visits at all. Both were able to get Multiple Entry visitor visas in under 7 actual days.
Your wife had been to the EU and (I assume) respected the terms of her stay, which gave her a stronger travel history. Her travel to Egypt and Turkey wouldn't have been counted for much. I would assume she also showed strong ties to her home country.

Your mother-in-law was an entirely different situation, as she didn't have a Canadian spouse; her weaker travel history was acceptable and probably balanced out by her stronger ties to her home country.


xeurion said:
I came to Canada first on a study permit TRV in 2009 with no travel history at all. Didn't know that it is such a big concern now.
As already said, it is really the fact that you are here. The vast majority of spouses of Canadian citizens/PRs are refused for TRVs, as they are a high risk to overstay in Canada with their spouse.
 

Aquakitty

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Mar 21, 2011
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BC
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Ottawa
App. Filed.......
04-03-2015
AOR Received.
14-04-2015 - SA Received: 20-04-2015
Med's Done....
28-01-2015 Upfront
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
N/A
VISA ISSUED...
25-06-2015
LANDED..........
11-07-2015
Parents and spouses are two different things for obvious reasons. Parents generally have their own lives and are much less "risk". A Canadian or PR spouse in Canada is a huge tie you have to overcome.

As for the funds issue, logically that means she should have her own funds, not yours, as that just adds to the "dependency" problem. I assume she doesn't have a job with her own pay?

She should get a part-time job and travel to Europe. I know, it's a lot to do which is probably why most people just wait out the PR.
 

xeurion

Member
Mar 12, 2017
12
0
Aquakitty said:
Parents and spouses are two different things for obvious reasons. Parents generally have their own lives and are much less "risk". A Canadian or PR spouse in Canada is a huge tie you have to overcome.

As for the funds issue, logically that means she should have her own funds, not yours, as that just adds to the "dependency" problem. I assume she doesn't have a job with her own pay?

She should get a part-time job and travel to Europe. I know, it's a lot to do which is probably why most people just wait out the PR.
Thanks for the reply. She does not have a job. Yes, we will only reapply if get a strong reason e.g she gets a UK visa, otherwise just going to wait for PR.
 

canuck_in_uk

VIP Member
May 4, 2012
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Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
06/12
xeurion said:
Is there a way to request detailed notes on refusal from immigration other than the refusal letter?
You can request GCMS notes.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/atip/index.asp
 

carolbb23

VIP Member
Jun 24, 2016
3,564
406
toronto
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
mississauga
App. Filed.......
15\12\2015
Doc's Request.
already did for applications
Nomination.....
n/a
AOR Received.
15/01/2016
IELTS Request
n/a
File Transfer...
10/03/2017
Med's Request
n/a
Med's Done....
02/11/2015
Interview........
thank god no interview
Passport Req..
n/a
VISA ISSUED...
28/04/2017
LANDED..........
28/04/2017
xeurion said:
Thanks for the reply. She does not have a job. Yes, we will only reapply if get a strong reason e.g she gets a UK visa, otherwise just going to wait for PR.


Good plan