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Spouse Sponsorship - Please help

rahul00

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Jul 26, 2009
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I am PR in Canada. I sponsored my wife and son. Today I got the letter form IRCC saying: -

"Your wife is well settled and your son is studying. I do not think she will break ties with the home country. Please give the explanation."

Can some of the VIP member or expert member help me out.
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,031
22,234
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
I am PR in Canada. I sponsored my wife and son. Today I got the letter form IRCC saying: -

"Your wife is well settled and your son is studying. I do not think she will break ties with the home country. Please give the explanation."

Can some of the VIP member or expert member help me out.
Are you in Canada?

Can you provide the full text of the letter? What you've quoted seems odd.

For a PR application, it shouldn't matter how well settled your wife and son are in their home country.
 
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rahul00

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Jul 26, 2009
92
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I am in Canada as PR.

full wording are

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a member of the
family class, the class in which you applied. It appears you may not meet the requirements of the
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.
Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be
selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law
partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.
Subsection 70(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that “An officer shall
issue a permanent resident visa to a foreign national if, following an examination, it is established that the
foreign national is coming to Canada to establish permanent residence”.

Please reply @scylla
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,031
22,234
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
I am in Canada as PR.

full wording are

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a member of the
family class, the class in which you applied. It appears you may not meet the requirements of the
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act.
Subsection 12(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states that a foreign national may be
selected as a member of the family class on the basis of their relationship as the spouse, common-law
partner, child, parent or other prescribed family member of a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.
Subsection 70(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that “An officer shall
issue a permanent resident visa to a foreign national if, following an examination, it is established that the
foreign national is coming to Canada to establish permanent residence”.

Please reply @scylla
I don't know what to say about 70(1)(b). I don't think I've ever seen a refusal based on this.

There must be more to the situation for the officer to refuse you based on this reason.

I assume you are recently married and the child is a baby? Did you immigrate on your own before you were married?
 

rahul00

Star Member
Jul 26, 2009
92
8
No i am married long back.

my son is 15 years

Yes - Immigrated on my own

Can any Expert help me pls
 
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scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,031
22,234
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
No i am married long back.

I child is 15 years
It's going to be difficult to comment without knowing the full details. There has to be far more to this story.

I've never seen this refusal reason before. I would strongly recommend you hire a lawyer to help you.
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,031
22,234
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010

dpenabill

VIP Member
Apr 2, 2010
6,442
3,184
already spoken to the lawyer...
A lawyer is a far BETTER source of information than I am. The difference is not even close.

Moreover, I have not been paying much attention to PR visa applications for many years.

That said . . .

Subsection 70(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that “An officer shall
issue a permanent resident visa to a foreign national if, following an examination, it is established that the
foreign national is coming to Canada to establish permanent residence”.
I have seen this reason for refusing a sponsorship application, and relatively recently (I only saw it recently; but the case was back in 2019). It was set aside in an appeal. It was not set aside because it is not a legitimate qualification for a PR visa, or a legitimate reason for refusing the application. The prospective PR's intention to come to Canada to settle, that is to "establish permanent residence" (meaning in fact, not as acquiring status), is indeed one of the specific findings a visa officer must make to issue the PR visa.

And the IAD acknowledged that based on the evidence before the visa officer, the refusal made sense.

But it was set aside because based on the facts in the case, in the de novo hearing before the IAD (that is, considering additional and new evidence presented), it was determined, by the IAD to not be a valid decision. That is, the IAD found the sponsored person had, as of the IAD hearing, presented sufficient evidence to show he intended to establish permanent residence in Canada.

Less than a month ago I quoted and discussed this case here: https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/who-accompanied-whom-can-matter-for-prs-living-with-citizen-spouse-abroad-update.579860/page-5 (I have also quoted the case quite often in totally different contexts, regarding credibility and decision-making, the IAD panel referring to another case and an applicant who purportedly "was once a rake and a rambling man, not above a little fiddling on his income tax returns," but not so much so it warranted discounting his credibility in the immigration matter; I can be a bit of a softie for a clever phrase like that.)

The case is Elfadul, 2019 CanLII 145852, https://canlii.ca/t/jdm4x

I do not know if the factual situation is at all similar to yours. That case involved a Canadian citizen applying to sponsor a spouse who was previously a PR but failing to meet the PR Residency Obligation renounced PR status, apparently to facilitate obtaining a TRV recognizing that PR status would be lost anyway. Then subsequently the Citizen spouse (albeit formerly a PR, and still a PR at the time of the initial sponsorship application) made the application to sponsor the spouse who had given up PR.

In its opening paragraph, the IAD stated:
Ikhlas Elhassan Ahmed Elfadul (“Appellant”) appeals under subsection 63(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA)[1] from the refusal of a permanent resident visa for her spouse, Adam Ibrahim Adam Mohamed (“Applicant”), by the immigration officer, because the officer was not satisfied that the Applicant would establish permanent residence in Canada as per s.70(1)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations.

In that case an important fact was that the spouse being sponsored had already taken definitive steps to exit the country where he had been living and working for many years,

I have also seen other signs that IRCC is scrutinizing this element in eligibility more diligently.

I can only speculate about why, and I have my suspicions, but I do not really know.

MOSTLY RELY ON YOUR LAWYER . . . I am no expert, I am not a Canadian lawyer, not an immigration professional in any regards.
 

rahul00

Star Member
Jul 26, 2009
92
8
I have received this letter. What does this mean - Is my application approved.

We are currently processing your application for permanent residency. You now qualify to receive pre-arrival services to help you prepare for your new life in Canada. These services are only available to you before you enter Canada. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) funds settlement service provider organizations to deliver pre-arrival services at no cost to you. We strongly recommend that you use pre-arrival services.
 

armoured

VIP Member
Feb 1, 2015
17,367
8,959
I have received this letter. What does this mean - Is my application approved.

We are currently processing your application for permanent residency. You now qualify to receive pre-arrival services to help you prepare for your new life in Canada. These services are only available to you before you enter Canada. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) funds settlement service provider organizations to deliver pre-arrival services at no cost to you. We strongly recommend that you use pre-arrival services.
It's an in-between approval - not final but a good sign. Otherwise it means exactly what it says, you are eligible for pre-arrival services, make use of them if you wish.
 

canuck78

VIP Member
Jun 18, 2017
55,825
13,607
I have received this letter. What does this mean - Is my application approved.

We are currently processing your application for permanent residency. You now qualify to receive pre-arrival services to help you prepare for your new life in Canada. These services are only available to you before you enter Canada. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) funds settlement service provider organizations to deliver pre-arrival services at no cost to you. We strongly recommend that you use pre-arrival services.
Do you meet your RO? Were you in Canada when you applied for sponsorship and throughout the sponsorship process? When did you land as a PR? Were you in Canada before getting PR? How long have you been married? Have you spent significant time apart during your marriage? There seems to be a concern that your wife and child do not have any plans to relocate to Canada.


Looking at your previous posts there may have been a long history of not relocating to Canada. There may have been a record of not complying with your RO, getting reported, getting PRTD based on H&C but not relocating as indicated, etc. You seem to have relocated but your wife and child have not relocated after numerous opportunities which I assume is the issue. Don’t believe that can result in denial but if they are granted PR they should relocate ASAP.
 
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armoured

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Feb 1, 2015
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It's an in-between approval - not final but a good sign. Otherwise it means exactly what it says, you are eligible for pre-arrival services, make use of them if you wish.
Note, I responded without going through the full thread.

Very important question: did you respond to the request for information in mid-October? When? How long after submitting that explanation did you receive the pre-arrival services letter? Was there any (other) response to your submission, any other correspondence?