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fkl

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rabrakha said:
Hi all
I am going to apply for an open work prmit for my wife. We got married last year . I was studying atvghat time and she applied for a visitor visa but got refused. After 1 year 3 months she is going to apply for open work permit. She is working as a software engineer since 2012 in india. I am working in noc 2281 B . My annual salary is 35100 cad.
Please let me know the required documents i need to fill and supportive documenta i need to attach.

Is my annual income suffecient?
Your income should be median or slightly higher for that NOC in that province. Following shows hours wages officially in Canada.

http://www.jobbank.gc.ca/LMI_report_bynoc.do?noc=2281&reportOption=wage

another useful reference
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labr79-eng.htm

If you fall below your average wage for that province, you would have a hard time convincing CIC that you are actually doing a NOC B job indeed. Often this gets refusal for SOWP.

You also would need to provide detailed proof of relationship in case of a recent marriage. The remaining required documents would show up when you fill the profile online. They are at times different for every one and no one should have a magical list to throw at others. Generally your job details, pay stubs, experience letter, work permit... the same stuff for your spouse, her education and work proofs, pay stubs, police certificates, photos, medicals are the bare minimum.
 

Netz

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Sep 30, 2015
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fkl said:
Hi Netz,

I am not sure why she is not allowed to apply for work permit, if you have a NOC B job with detailed proof.

You should get your GCMS notes. Type of application is not as relevant. There is probably some thing negative in your profile which might show up in gcms notes. Still you shouldn't apply for visitor visa. Your wife doesn't want to come here on a short trip. She intends to live with you. This is your true and rightful intent... stick to that.
Hello FKL and members..!
How do I apply for the GCMS notes.? I'm really very confused and stressed out..! I'm travelling to India in 2 months and I want my wife to travel with me.. will it better by any chance to get her to Canada for a short visit and then apply for her open work permit from Canada.?
 

fkl

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Netz said:
Hello FKL and members..!
How do I apply for the GCMS notes.? I'm really very confused and stressed out..! I'm travelling to India in 2 months and I want my wife to travel with me.. will it better by any chance to get her to Canada for a short visit and then apply for her open work permit from Canada.?
I am surprised that you have had refusal(s) and don't even know about gcms notes.

Apply here for GCMS notes.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/atip/requests-atip.asp

Like i said before, it would be really hard to get a visitor visa for her since she doesn't have suitable grounds. She has strong ties in Canada i.e. you so the correct way is SOWP or resident TRV (same requirements and processing time as SOWP)
 

balaprasad123

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Aug 27, 2016
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fkl said:
Well that's your only choice i.e. show intention of stay of 6 months or longer and apply SOWP.

Your kid would get TRV with visitor record.

Actually (and i have explained this many times), problem is not SOWP vs TRV.

Problem is short term stay vs long term stay (6 months or more).

A - Visitor visa - does not require medicals, processed faster, only allows max six months and doesn't get you health care in Canada. Mainly is suitable for actual VISITORs.

B - SOWP / TRV with visitor record - require medicals, longer processing time, would stay as long as principal spouse is in Canada and would get you health care. It is intended for spouse / kids etc. of a person who is working / studying in Canada usually for longer than 6 months.

You fall in category B. Any attempt with A would likely get a refusal. You can apply for B - TRV for your kid and SOWP for your spouse. Technically you can still apply for B - TRV for your spouse saying stay of longer than 6 months. But then it has all the same requirements as of SOWP, and just wont grant him/her the right to work here. So why not get an open work permit too, even if you don't intend to work here.

If your child is 6+ / school going age, you can apply for Open study permit instead.

Hello fkl.Thx once again for giving the info in detail.

The reason for why I am not going for sowp.Please correct me if I am wrong.
1.As I said before processing time 14 wks.
2.My wife is a homemaker.She finished her MBA and was working in small companies before marriage,but gave up working after marriage since last 2.5 yrs.So no payslips,employment letter and Income tax proof.
3.My wife's intention is to just accompany me till I work in Canada.No plans to look for a job as I am earning well.I stay in Vancouver with NOC B job.Annual pay around 80-90k.

I like to go for plan B visitor visa which is for more than 6 months.

I feel sowp is tough in my case without any of the proofs mentioned above.

Your inputs are more valuable for the forum.Thx a lot.
 

fkl

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balaprasad123 said:
Hello fkl.Thx once again for giving the info in detail.

The reason for why I am not going for sowp.Please correct me if I am wrong.
1.As I said before processing time 14 wks.
2.My wife is a homemaker.She finished her MBA and was working in small companies before marriage,but gave up working after marriage since last 2.5 yrs.So no payslips,employment letter and Income tax proof.
3.My wife's intention is to just accompany me till I work in Canada.No plans to look for a job as I am earning well.I stay in Vancouver with NOC B job.Annual pay around 80-90k.

I like to go for plan B visitor visa which is for more than 6 months.

I feel sowp is tough in my case without any of the proofs mentioned above.

Your inputs are more valuable for the forum.Thx a lot.
You are most welcome.

Processing time and other requirements for TRV with visitor record (for more than six months stay is the SAME as SOWP).

Secondly, when i came here, my spouse hadn't worked in the last nearly 10 years being a full time mom despite having a business administration masters. I had a NOC A job and LMIA based work permit. We got SOWP for her. Same is the case for at least half a dozen other friends of mine, some of whose spouses had zero job experience and barely an undergrad degree. To add further we all brought our kids along on open study permits if they were older than six else TRV with visitor records.

But in all of these cases, the principal applicant had a decent profile with well paid job offer from Canada.

You don't need to have intention to work here to apply for SOWP. Plus, who knows he/she might need to work at some point in time.

There is zero advantage in giving up the right to work her and no benefit of applying for TRV with visitor record instead.

Update:
The proofs and pay stubs you are concerned about above are usually needed for the case where principal applicant is often a student who doesn't earn enough on his/her own to support spouse. But the couple have enough funds for their combined expense for a year plus the dependent spouse has had educational and work profile that might show reasonable prospects of getting a job in Canada. Your case has a decent principal applicant profile. You don't need any thing for your spouse. Rest is up to you.
 

balaprasad123

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Aug 27, 2016
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Hi Fkl.Thank u.

Can u pls explain the difference between visitor visa and TRV with visitor record.

I know I am asking so many things.But I like to clear my doubts from my side before applying next time and its a great knowledge learning so many things from here.
 

drnadiaj

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Aug 19, 2016
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fkl said:
Study permit for yourself and OWP for spouse is the only right option if you wish to apply for both.

People consider chances of refusal, because if you apply alone, your spouse remains in home country which serves as a strong tie for you.

So yes chances of both being approved together are slightly lower, but it depends upon your over all profile as well as that of your spouse, if it is good enough, you both might very well get it.

So it comes down to your choice, if coming to Canada is really important to you, so much that you are willing to come even if you have to live away from your spouse for a while (could be years), you are okay with that
VERSUS, you would only come if your spouse can come.

If you wanna play safe, apply alone.

Again they allow spouse on open work permit IF you have enough funds, strong past education / work profile, so a visa officer is convinced that you wont stay illegally in Canada if you dont file a valid extension. Also (thanks to our past pakistanis deeds), they also evaluate if you are the type who would come to canada, throw your passports away and claim a refugee. I know it sounds rude, but unfortunately enough Pakis have done this, so we can't really blame CIC and they really don't have a way of knowing, except evaluating your over all profile.

Generally people with good education and jobs in Pakistan have no issues.

His case is not that of visitor visa, so please dont waste an application on TRV and getting unwanted refusals. He is your spouse and unless he is applying for coming to Canada for a totally unrelated reason like his employer sponsors him for a conference or a customer visit or something, TRV is not the type of application for him and would likely get refused.

His TRV won't be processed before yours as your dependent. Getting work permit from inside Canada isn't that hard being your dependent assuming you have funds. But getting first time TRV is close to impossible given your situation.

Also see my earlier post describing two types of trvs (short term visitor trv versus longer term trv with visitor record).

If you are applying for his SOWP along, you definitely need funds for him for one year of stay. So those should be in his account. I don't really think it matters if it is in CAD or not. CIC in Pakistan can do rate conversions approximately.

If i remember correctly the amount required is some where between 6-10k CAD for him. This is in addition to your fee and cost of living for the year. So you better separate each of those out clearly in the application.
thanks so much fkl ,
i am NOT gona apply alone. i got married in jan 2016 ,i want my spouse to be with me ,i will apply my student and his owp with my correct legally documentation and full application and whatever supporting documents i can give i will ,rest i can only pray,and it means i will have 3 statements , mine which is 10k cad and his 6 k cad (as they said if you have any family member with you add 4k cad ) and third statement would be my brother who is general surgeon in america(for my fee sponsor my fees for 1 year is 27 k cad ,i am by profession a dentist and want my post grad degree for 2 years in dentistry,i am currently employed in clinic ,my husband in marketing advertising agency as a project manager/head post .he is MBA and has 9 years of job experience in the same field.for our relation marriage certificate is enough i guess no need of pics because we both in pak and applying from here.??
how much amount should student show ?i read its 10 k cad am i right ??
i should not add these 2 application,1 : the statuary declaration .2 : representative ..as i am filing by myself. i know about student forms but can you help me with work permit application ?
 

fkl

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balaprasad123 said:
Hi Fkl.Thank u.

Can u pls explain the difference between visitor visa and TRV with visitor record.

I know I am asking so many things.But I like to clear my doubts from my side before applying next time and its a great knowledge learning so many things from here.
I think i explained before, more than once. Any way here it goes again.

Visitor visa - Short term visit, less than 6 months stay, no medicals required, less processing time, high chance of refusal and is primarily intended for some one who genuinely is visiting Canada for a short trip.

TRV with visitor record - Long term stay (as long as that of principal spouse), requires medicals and same processing time as work permit, but also gets you medical coverage eligibility in Canada. This is used by dependents of students or workers mostly. The one and only difference between this and SOWP is that the latter is a work permit where as you cannot work on a TRV with visitor record.
 

drnadiaj

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in work permit application where they asked about jobs etc should write down N/A and there are few documents for abu dhabi too,are these same ?check this link http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5894E.pdf

AND i am applying for his owp so what about schedule 1 form ,should i add this too ?? and the academic copies should be notarized? or just original scan copies of academic records experience letters etc are enough ?
 

drnadiaj

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thanks so much fkl ,
i am NOT gona apply alone. i got married in jan 2016 ,i want my spouse to be with me ,i will apply my student and his owp with my correct legally documentation and full application and whatever supporting documents i can give i will ,rest i can only pray,and it means i will have 3 statements , mine which is 10k cad and his 6 k cad (as they said if you have any family member with you add 4k cad ) and third statement would be my brother who is general surgeon in america(for my fee sponsor my fees for 1 year is 27 k cad ,i am by profession a dentist and want my post grad degree for 2 years in dentistry,i am currently employed in clinic ,my husband in marketing advertising agency as a project manager/head post .he is MBA and has 9 years of job experience in the same field.for our relation marriage certificate is enough i guess no need of pics because we both in pak and applying from here.??
how much amount should student show ?i read its 10 k cad am i right ??
i should not add these 2 application,1 : the statuary declaration .2 : representative ..as i am filing by myself. i know about student forms but can you help me with work permit application ?
 

ashpur88

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fkl said:
I think i explained before, more than once. Any way here it goes again.

Visitor visa - Short term visit, less than 6 months stay, no medicals required, less processing time, high chance of refusal and is primarily intended for some one who genuinely is visiting Canada for a short trip.

TRV with visitor record - Long term stay (as long as that of principal spouse), requires medicals and same processing time as work permit, but also gets you medical coverage eligibility in Canada. This is used by dependents of students or workers mostly. The one and only difference between this and SOWP is that the latter is a work permit where as you cannot work on a TRV with visitor record.
We should make this a sticky post. You have been really helpful to so many people (including me) and have answered a lot of common questions time and again. Having a sticky post with the all requirements for SOWP and mentioning the differences in the the types of Visa will be really beneficial.
 

Dharmeshvirani235

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Med's Done....
30-09-2016
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30-09-2016
hi guys.. i applied sowp on 30 june 2016 paper application at ahemdabad.. Got rejected on 21 september saying You have not demonstrated that your spouse is employed in a position that falls within NOC level A, B or O.
I reapplied on 29 september 2016 nd got passport request on 30 september... Soo happy...
 

Hiii

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Dharmeshvirani235 said:
hi guys.. i applied sowp on 30 june 2016 paper application at ahemdabad.. Got rejected on 21 september saying You have not demonstrated that your spouse is employed in a position that falls within NOC level A, B or O.
I reapplied on 29 september 2016 nd got passport request on 30 september... Soo happy...
How could it possible in one day?
Can you explain your case?
 

hvm

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Apr 3, 2015
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HI,

I am on PGWP till October 2017 and my profile is in Express Entry. We have tried for my husband three times before - 2 times his visitor visa got refused and his owp application got refused one.

This time, we consulted an immigration consultant and we have applied for owp a fourth time. They have asked for his medical. I want to know if this is a positive sign and if yes, how long would it take for him to get OWP ?

Please advise,