Spousal Sponsorship - Previous TRV applications

[reznik]

hi there,

i just sent off the spousal sponsorship forms last week and now obviously can't think of anything else but that.
a bit of background:

i'm a canadian citizen, my wife argentine.
we got married in december 2012
we met in 2011
i lived in argentina for almost a year in 2011-2012
i'm a graduate student

she had applied for a TRV last summer for come visit canada with me, when i was returning to go back to school.
the first time she was refused because they said she didn't have enough ties to argentina... fair enough.. the first time she didn't submit return tickets either.
but the second time she applied with much more documents [property ownership, family information, money in account and return ticket] and an invitation letter from my sister [since i am/was a student] with her account information and income and all... and she got the visa.

she came to visit, stayed 2 months and went back to argentina.... i started my final year in grad school in canada...
then we planned our wedding and got married and i sent in the applicaiton for sporsorship...

soooo...now i'm getting nervous about the old TRV applications and if it'll affect the spousal sponsorship... the rejection.. and the fact that the letter was written by my sister and not me.... am i just paranoid? because i submitted i would say a 'super-organized-super-complete' application with many photos and proof that we are legit... but i guess i can't help but feel this way until i get an answer...

any thoughts? pleaseeeee share... i need to work on my thesis and can't think about this

 

[jiggyzealous]

I am pretty sure that it wont affect your application. She didnt get refused because of misrepresentation. Your application for sponsorship will not be prejudiced in anyway because of a past visa denial. If it were a matter that she was here and a deportation order was issued, then you could be worried. I am in a similar position because I met my wife in 2011 here in Canada, while on a work permit. we got married in 2012 and my application went in when i was out of status. I am worried because it could make them comb through my application. But the worst thing they could do is call us in for an interview. we're not worried because we are genuine

 

[reznik]

I am pretty sure that it wont affect your application. She didnt get refused because of misrepresentation. Your application for sponsorship will not be prejudiced in anyway because of a past visa denial. If it were a matter that she was here and a deportation order was issued, then you could be worried. I am in a similar position because I met my wife in 2011 here in Canada, while on a work permit. we got married in 2012 and my application went in when i was out of status. I am worried because it could make them comb through my application. But the worst thing they could do is call us in for an interview. we're not worried because we are genuine

thank you for your reply! it's a snowy winter morning and i got too worried i think... but i feel much better now! thank you...
and you're right... as long as we're a genuine relationship we shouldn't worry.. we can get through whatever obstacle that comes our way... and i'm sure with all the supplementary documents that i sent, the question of genuineness wont be an issue!

thank you. i will continue on with my day now! ;D
good luck with your application!

 

[mikeymyke]

Hey there,

I don't want to ruin things, I really hope your wife can come to Canada with you, but I doubt that TRV refusals won't affect your application at all, of course I don't think it'll be as serious as if she had applied for refugee status before, had a violent criminal history, etc. But I think TRV refusals will hurt your application JUST a little, at least.

If you look at form IMM5669 - Background/Declaration, on the right side of the form, it asks "Have you ever been:"

a) convicted of a crime in Canada
b) been subject of any criminal proceedings in other country
c) made previous claims for refugee protection
d) been refused refugee status, immigrant/PR visa, application to PNP, visitor or temporary resident visa
e) been refused admission or ordered to leave Canada
f) been involved with genocide/war crime
g) used armed struggle or violence to reach political goals
h) been associated with groups that use violence to reach political goals
i) been a member of criminal organization
j) been put in jail
k) had any serious disease or mental illness

If you look at all these points, it would appear that answering YES to any one of them, would be a BAD thing, and seeing as how TRV refusal is one of those points, it scares me.

This is the main reason why my fiance decided not to apply for a TRV to come visit my family here in Canada, because we are both afraid that if she was refused (despite having a good job, strong family ties, and had lived in the US for 1.5 years), it would adversely affect our application

 

[reznik]

If you look at all these points, it would appear that answering YES to any one of them, would be a BAD thing, and seeing as how TRV refusal is one of those points, it scares me.

This is the main reason why my fiance decided not to apply for a TRV to come visit my family here in Canada, because we are both afraid that if she was refused (despite having a good job, strong family ties, and had lived in the US for 1.5 years), it would adversely affect our application

oh man.. we didn't even see that on the form

 

[canadianwoman]

If she answered 'no' to that question, send in a redone form with 'yes' and an explanation of why she did not answer correctly the first time. She can just say she did not notice the 'temporary resident visa' part at the end of the sentence. It is a common mistake. Send the redone form and letter to the visa office processing the application once the application gets there; i.e., don't send it to Mississauga to be added to the file, they will most likely just misplace it.

In the letter (if needed) also include proof that she was applying for a TRV to visit you and your family. Also point out that she received a TRV later, spent two months in Canada visiting you and your family, and that she followed the rules of the TRV and went home before it expired.

Having many refused TRV applications or other visa applications is not good, but just one is not too bad. They may ask about it if there is an interview; she should just explain that she wanted to visit you and your family, since the relationship was getting serious.

 

[reznik]

If she answered 'no' to that question, send in a redone form with 'yes' and an explanation of why she did not answer correctly the first time. She can just say she did not notice the 'temporary resident visa' part at the end of the sentence. It is a common mistake. Send the redone form and letter to the visa office processing the application once the application gets there; i.e., don't send it to Mississauga to be added to the file, they will most likely just misplace it.

In the letter (if needed) also include proof that she was applying for a TRV to visit you and your family. Also point out that she received a TRV later, spent two months in Canada visiting you and your family, and that she followed the rules of the TRV and went home before it expired.

Having many refused TRV applications or other visa applications is not good, but just one is not too bad. They may ask about it if there is an interview; she should just explain that she wanted to visit you and your family, since the relationship was getting serious.

thank you canadianwoman!

so we should be sending the form to the buenos aires office you mean? after it's been processed in missisauga? i just sent it a few last week and according to the 55 day rule, we wont get any answer until april. right?
is that when they say if the application is approved or not? and then it gets sent to buenos aires for processing everything else... ? tha'ts what we were told.
does this make sense?
i'm still unsure of the process... and when we get what answer and who gets contacted.

 

[canadianwoman]

so we should be sending the form to the buenos aires office you mean? after it's been processed in missisauga? i just sent it a few last week and according to the 55 day rule, we wont get any answer until april. right?
is that when they say if the application is approved or not? and then it gets sent to buenos aires for processing everything else... ? tha'ts what we were told.
does this make sense?
i'm still unsure of the process... and when we get what answer and who gets contacted.

Yes, send the corrected form to the Buenos Aires office (if that is where it will be processed). Wait until the file gets there - they should send you something saying they have it and giving you a file number. Then send the form to them, with the file number, and both sponsor and applicant's names and birthdates, and ask that it be added to the file.
If you send it to Mississauga, it will probably be misplaced, and they are not assessing the applicant there really anyway.

 

[reznik]

Yes, send the corrected form to the Buenos Aires office (if that is where it will be processed). Wait until the file gets there - they should send you something saying they have it and giving you a file number. Then send the form to them, with the file number, and both sponsor and applicant's names and birthdates, and ask that it be added to the file.
If you send it to Mississauga, it will probably be misplaced, and they are not assessing the applicant there really anyway.

oh ok... thank you!
so missisauga should send me something or buenos aires? sorry for all the questions.. according to the tracking number i know it was received by missisauga but i'm not sure if i should get anything from them until they've assessed the file....

 

[mikeymyke]

hihi, good thing I pointed out that TRV refusal to you

 

[canadianwoman]

Buenos Aires should be sending you or the applicant something with your file number.

 

[tweetybird]

oh man.. we didn't even see that on the form

I have a question for reznik.... When your sister sent an invitation letter to your girlfriend how did she say she knew her? I'm just in the same situation with trying to get my boyfriend to come and visit me. We are going to apply for TRV. Except we decided that it's best I send the letter as girlfriend. I have a fulltime job as a teacher. I was going to get my brother to write the letter except he has never met him. In the letter I was honost and I said he was my boyfriend. He has a return ticket and a letter from work and a car. No property but previous travel to Canada before visas were required.

 

[CdnandTrini]

Reply: Spousal Sponsorship - Previous TRV applications

hi there,

i just sent off the spousal sponsorship forms last week and now obviously can't think of anything else but that.
a bit of background:

i'm a canadian citizen, my wife argentine.
we got married in december 2012
we met in 2011
i lived in argentina for almost a year in 2011-2012
i'm a graduate student

she had applied for a TRV last summer for come visit canada with me, when i was returning to go back to school.
the first time she was refused because they said she didn't have enough ties to argentina... fair enough.. the first time she didn't submit return tickets either.
but the second time she applied with much more documents [property ownership, family information, money in account and return ticket] and an invitation letter from my sister [since i am/was a student] with her account information and income and all... and she got the visa.

she came to visit, stayed 2 months and went back to argentina.... i started my final year in grad school in canada...
then we planned our wedding and got married and i sent in the applicaiton for sporsorship...

soooo...now i'm getting nervous about the old TRV applications and if it'll affect the spousal sponsorship... the rejection.. and the fact that the letter was written by my sister and not me.... am i just paranoid? because i submitted i would say a 'super-organized-super-complete' application with many photos and proof that we are legit... but i guess i can't help but feel this way until i get an answer...

any thoughts? pleaseeeee share... i need to work on my thesis and can't think about this

TRV refusals generally do not have any adverse effects on PR applications. On the contrary, they can show that the couple is serious and genuine
and can provide the evidence as to why one partner may have to do all of the travelling. In addition, it provides a documented and consistent history of the couple's efforts to be together. As long as one is truthful in both the TRV and PR applications there should be no reason to worry. Blessings.

 

[etienbjel]

Hi Mikeymyke. Sorry for nosing through your old posts but you seem like you know the system pretty well. I just wanted to resurface one of your old posts as it was very relent to me and probably a lot of others who may have missed this on the form.

We skipped over question 6d too fast to see it to see it. Luckily I already included the refused TRV in the PR application so it should only appear as an honest mistake to the VO. I resubmitted the form to CIC just in case.

Just thought maybe some people made the same mistake and should make an effort to fix it.

Hey there,

I don't want to ruin things, I really hope your wife can come to Canada with you, but I doubt that TRV refusals won't affect your application at all, of course I don't think it'll be as serious as if she had applied for refugee status before, had a violent criminal history, etc. But I think TRV refusals will hurt your application JUST a little, at least.

If you look at form IMM5669 - Background/Declaration, on the right side of the form, it asks "Have you ever been:"

a) convicted of a crime in Canada
b) been subject of any criminal proceedings in other country
c) made previous claims for refugee protection
d) been refused refugee status, immigrant/PR visa, application to PNP, visitor or temporary resident visa
e) been refused admission or ordered to leave Canada
f) been involved with genocide/war crime
g) used armed struggle or violence to reach political goals
h) been associated with groups that use violence to reach political goals
i) been a member of criminal organization
j) been put in jail
k) had any serious disease or mental illness

If you look at all these points, it would appear that answering YES to any one of them, would be a BAD thing, and seeing as how TRV refusal is one of those points, it scares me.

This is the main reason why my fiance decided not to apply for a TRV to come visit my family here in Canada, because we are both afraid that if she was refused (despite having a good job, strong family ties, and had lived in the US for 1.5 years), it would adversely affect our application

 

[CdnandTrini]

Reply: Spousal Sponsorship - Previous TRV applications

Hi Mikeymyke. Sorry for nosing through your old posts but you seem like you know the system pretty well. I just wanted to resurface one of your old posts as it was very relent to me and probably a lot of others who may have missed this on the form.

We skipped over question 6d too fast to see it to see it. Luckily I already included the refused TRV in the PR application so it should only appear as an honest mistake to the VO. I resubmitted the form to CIC just in case.

Just thought maybe some people made the same mistake and should make an effort to fix it.

Just to clarify - TRV refusals ARE NOT VIEWED in a negative way by immigration. In my previous post I mentioned that often they are seen as genuine efforts on the part of the couple to be together. My husband and I applied and were refused 4 times before we were married over the course of a 6.5 year long distance relationship.

Once we were married and submitted our sponsorship application, we were processed and approved within 8 months. Our GCMS notes indicated that the multiple TRV efforts demonstrated genuine actions on our part and in my opinion (along with all of the other proof we submitted) helped us to avoid an interview and a lengthier processing time. The only advice I would offer here is never misrepresent yourself on any immigration/TRV documents as they do go back and review them. So keep copies of everything so you can refer back to them when completing the sponsorship application. I summarized the details of our TRV refusals in our application but I think it is also a good idea to include them as long as they do not contain any contradictory details (meaning innocent mistakes).