sponsoring south korean wife and our daughter

[OrionUnas]

Greetings all, just a few quick questions.

My wife and I are living in South Korea (SK), moved here November 2011. We had a child born here, and I already know she is half canadian, and we have already submitted the application for her Canadian Citizenship proof.

Now I am filling out the forms to sponsor her (my wife), and was wondering a few questions.

1) What visa is my wife entitled to? Can she work?

2) Co-Signer is someone who is HELPING pay for the cost of living, food, etc., right? So if my wife plans to be lazy, or can not obtain employment in Canada, she should not co-sign? however, since my best friend is working and he has agreed to support some, he should co-sign? (This is only an example so I may understand clearly... never understood these silly government documents....)

3) Still a little confused on the Visa office option on form IMM0008... We are currently living in SK (mas mentioned before...) and plan to move back to Victoria either when the application has gone through, or mid 2014, which ever comes first. So, what immigration office do i apply to, Seoul, or Vancouver (if there is one there... maybe there is one in Victoria?)

4) Does my daughter need to be declared as an additional dependent even though she is ALREADY mentioned in other papers? Does the fact that she will (as long as everything has been submitted properly,) be obtaining a canadian citizenship card mean that I still have to list her as a dependent? (I know, this sounds like a stupid question, and kind of makes me seem irresponsible, however, I am just trying to clarify these forms... you can just reply to this question as "You're stupid," if you like )

5) I remember in 2011//2012, both the sponsor and applicant had to fill out the Schedule A Background info... or at least I remember reading that, but now it is only the Applicant/my wife?

6) Ok, so what does "Reside," and "Living exclusively outside Canada," actually mean? I currently live in SK (3rd time I've mentioned that, I'm keeping tabs for no reason ) but I am not working here, and just waiting to go back home, so what do i say to, "Are you a Canadian living exclusively outside Canada?" and, "Do you reside in Canada and no other country?"

7) I'm looking for work via jobbank.gc.ca, and workbc.ca, so how do I prove that I am looking for work and intend to move back to Canada... do I even need to do this section really? I'm more of a pound the pavement type, look for work when I'm at home.

8) Paying the fees... ok, so it says "You can pay your fees online," then it says I can't because I'm outside Canada, and processing the fees online for sponsoring is not available. So when do I actually pay these fees? Do I submit the application, and wait for them to say "hey, where is our money?" or do I just pay at some office? Where do I pay? If they get the application, will they call us up and say "Ok, give me your credit card number?" I really don't understand the paying the fees section at all.

9) Medical Exam... when do we do that exactly? Should we include it in the application? because my Daughter is getting a Canadian Proof Card (thing...) does she need it to? She is also only 9 months old.

10) Can i wrap my lips around a shotgun and pull the trigger now!? Seriously, I'm banging my head against a wall here!

Thanks everyone!

Orion.

 

[Sweden]

Hello there!

quite a few questions, I'll try my best to answer!

1 -if you apply outland for her sponsorship, once the visa is granted, and you go to Canada, she will become a Permanent resident. Then she can work etc. Before that, if you decide to move to Canada before the PR is issued, your wife can go on a tourist visa, but she can not work until her PR is granted.

2- there is no co-signer for a spouse sponsorship. Co-signer would be if you and your wife decided to sponsor her parents ( later on as the program is on hold for the moment), and both of you would sign. For PR for your wife: you are the sponsor, she is the applicant, and you are financially responsible for all her expenses for 3 years once she becomes a PR. (read the sponsorship agreement). Your friend can not sign with you to sponsor your wife.

3 - you are applying outland, thus your application will be processed first in Mississauga ( for stage 1, sponsorship approval), then to a visa office outland. Seoul office is closed ( or closing) and SK applicants will be handled by Manila, so choose Manila there. Nothing to do with Vancouver or Victoria ( and FYI: CIC office in Victoria closed last year - I live in Victoria, I can confirm! )

4 - your daughter is not a dependent when you are talking about sponsoring as she is already Canadian. She needs to be listed on "additional family information", but not on the applicant part.

5 - Background info is for applicant only

6 - up to you. If you live in SK, then put that you are resident in SK. If you intend to go back to Canada at a specific date, then explain that. Attach a sheet and explain that. AS your wife is from a visa-exempt country, you could start the process now, and move later on, with her PR would be easier,but if for any reason ( you got a job etc) you need to move before, then you could go and your wife could enter Canada on a tourist visa.
the reason they ask is: if you are living outside of Canada, you need to prove that you intend to come back to Canada once the PR is approved. So if you are in SK now, make sure that you include info on where you will live, when (approximately ) you will move to Canada, and any proofs that show that you are serious about moving. See the guideline about sponsor part for more information ( if you live in Canada already then that part is not necessary).

7 - see my previous point: you DO need to prove that you have all intentions to move to Canada (it's to avoid that people would do the PR process to get a status but not actually move). So you can include your work search, if you have a bank account in Canada, mention it, if you have a place to stay already ( or will stay with family), explain that. If you are looking at shipping things and can get a quote from a moving company, include that. If you have talked to your family about moving back to Canada, get them to write a letter saying that they are aware that you are going to move to Canada. If you need ot take some steps in SK before moving ( work notice, rent notice etc) you can include that information. CIC wants to be sure that you are moving to Canada, and it's your job to prove it ( it will be assessed in the first stage, sponsorship approval).

8 - that's a confusing one. Your application will be going first to Mississauga, ON, then to an outland VO ( Manila in your case). So - you can choose the online option with "application will be processed in Canada", as your first stage will be in a Canadian office.
Pay the fees before you send the application, and if possible, pay everything at once: total is 1040$ if you are only sponsoring your wife. You could choose and leave the RPRF (right of PR fee) out and pay it later, but it will delay your file, so if you can afford it, pay everything at once. Include your email address, CIC will mail you a receipt. Print it, include it in your application, and you won't need to worry about it later.

9-your daughter is Canadian, she is not being sponsored, she doesn't need a medical. Only your wife does. The Medicals are only valid for one year, so you want to do them as close as possible to the date you are sending your application. So fill out all the forms, get everything ready, and then book the appointment for the medicals. Choose a doctor that is on CIC list ( search for "panel physician" on CIC website), call to book an appointment ( and ask them how many pictures they need), and that's it! at the end of the medicals, your wife will be given a slip with her picture to include in your application as a proof that she has done the medicals. The results will be sent directly to your Visa Office (Manila) and they will "wait" for your file to arrive there ( once stage 1 is done in Mississauga).

10 - welcome to the club! it's normal... everybody goes through this. It's a little overwhelming, but it gets better! print out the guidelines, divide the forms between sponsor and applicant, start gathering the proofs, and soon you'll have a better idea of it, and you'll be able to breathe better!

Good luck,
Sweden

PS: read the first post by Leon - spousal sponsorship - only the first page, it will give you a better idea of the process.

 

[fandv]

Hi OrionUnas,

Wow tons of questions eh... you sure are like me then... lol ;D

Alright the answers:

1. You meant the visa she is entitled to, when the sponsorship application is approved? It's called "permanent resident visa".

2. Well this is a spousal sponsorship, so forget about co-signers. According to:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/3900ETOC.asp

Note: If you are sponsoring your spouse or common-law partner, you cannot have a co-signer.

3. Neither Seoul, nor Vancouver, nor Victoria. First, you send your application to the Case Processing Centre at Mississauga (Ontario), in which they will assess your eligibility to sponsor your wife. Assuming you were approved, they will then forward your paperwork to Manila (the Philippines), in which they will assess your wife's permanent residence application. In the past Mississauga would send the paperwork to Seoul, however very recently they closed the visa office in Seoul, and now Manila is handling South Korean applications.

So your only job is to mail the application to Mississauga, and they will take care of the paperwork forwarding to Manila .

4. Not too sure since I have no child. The more senior members should be able to advise...

5. Yes, only your wife/the principal applicant has to fill out Schedule A.

6. Living exclusively out of Canada means you've been out of Canada for a very long time (I think more than 6 months) and you have little to no ties to Canada....i.e: no Canadian bank account, credit card, driving licence, health card, etc. Oh, and no property either...

Be extra careful about this...you'll need to provide lots of proof that you will resettle in Canada once your wife is granted PR. This guy submitted the application while living with his wife in China, and they got approved, so you can model what he did:

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/dependant-children-application-refusal-t109721.0.html;msg1573675%23msg1573675

7. Well it's hard to prove that you've been using those sites to look for jobs....(unless you use a video recorder to record yourself using those sites, lol!) Have you emailed prospective employers to apply for jobs? You can provide copies of such emails, if you have them...

8. You can pay the fees online...!! I did it myself (I was not in Canada when I paid online, and it worked just fine). Just go to:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index-can.asp

And look at the left sidebar and click on "Pay your fees" and follow the wizard...

Once the payment is successful, you will see the receipt in your web browser, and you can print it directly. Additionally, the CIC will also email you a PDF copy of the receipt.

Make sure to include the receipt when you send your application. That's required as per the sponsor's checklist, item 4:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5491E.pdf

9. The medical results are only valid for 1 year, so you'll want to get your wife to do it as late as possible......say, 1 week before you mail the application to Mississauga?
At the end of the medical exam session, the doctor will give a piece of paper called IMM 1017, which has to be included with the application as well.

Your daughter doesn't have to do the medical exam. According to:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/3999Etoc.asp

"Important information. If members of your family are Canadian citizens or permanent residents, they do not need to pass a medical examination."

10. No ;D

 

[fandv]

Sweden is always fast ;D

 

[Rob_TO]

Hey welcome to the site. I'm Canadian and sponsored my South Korean fiancee under common-law class. We had a pretty smooth process so let me know if you had any Korean-specific questions.

Just note that you will require a few documents specific to Korean citizens.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/3907e.pdf
• Family Relation Certificate and one certified true translation into French or English of your Family
Relation Certificate. This document should have been recently issued.
• Marriage Relation Certificate and one certified true translation into French or English
• Old (deleted) Family Census Register and one certified true translation into French or English

Also need the police certificate/clearance from S. Korea, as well as from any other country your wife has lived in for at least 6 months, since age 18.

 

[canadianwoman]

If you've been in South Korea since November 2011, you are living there. So put you are residing exclusively outside Canada. CIC does not care what kind of visa you have for this question, nor do they care what you are doing. This means you will have to submit proof you plan to return to live in Canada. If you go back to Canada with your wife (she can visit Canada visa-free while waiting for the PR application to be processed) after you have sent in the application, then send in proof you have reestablished in Canada to the visa office processing your file (Manila) to be added to your file.

 

[OrionUnas]

Ah that clarifies things more ;D, thanks for all the quick responses.

So, I haven't looked into it yet, but what about that family visa, because we are married is she eligible for this visa class, and if so can she work on it?

now she requires police documents, which we are getting tomorrow, but she does not require Canadian documents, right?

Where was the office in Victoria, id figure somewhere in bay center, or near the office behind it.

We also already have the other documents, except the census... I think.... Ha.

So we should take the medical exam and then send the documents? Someone told us we can send the documents without the information, and they will appoint us to a doctor, however if we should do out right away, that's better.

Also, what if we have the exam, then they take over a year to get their butts on our papers, do we have to take the exam again?

I still have all my stuff in Victoria, my bank, my credit card, my ps3... Of course I intend to go back to Victoria, ha like I'd want to stay in Korea

Thanks again everyone! Hope to hear from y'all!

 

[Sweden]

I don't know which family visa you are referring to - there is the family sponsorship (that gives your wife a PR status), or the visitor visa. Nothing in the middle... being married to a Canadian doesn't give your wife any privileges or work permit. The fastest and easiest way is the sponsorship.

She has to submit a police certificate for every country where she has lived for more than 6 months, see the guidelines.

Medical exam: go to the doctor ( choose one appointed by CIC), and at the end of the exam, he will give you a paper. Add that to your application. If you don't do it up-front, your application might be returned because it's incomplete, or it will delay it later on. Just include it now.

If the medicals are about to expire, 2 solutions> if it's the only thing missing before issuing the visa, then CIC will extend the validity of the medicals, provided it has been done in the last 15 months. If something else is missing, or it's more than 15 months ago, they will ask you to re-do a medical. No point in doing it before they ask for it, as you will be given a form ( with a number etc) to take to your doctor (this time, not the first time).

Make sure that you show proofs of what you have in Victoria, it will help to get you approved as a sponsor.

Good luck,
Sweden

 

[OrionUnas]

Ok, another question. Sheesh, this is exhausting!

Ok, so we are filling out the forms again, making sure everything is ready since the medical exam is next week or so. Now my wife is asking me about this, on form IMM0008ENU_2D there is dependents. Originally I put my daughter as a dependent, but she has a Canadian Citizenship Certificate, so I figure she can be removed, as she doesn't need to be sponsored. Now, here is the question... it says "You must provide the following details about each of your family members, whether they will be accompanying you to Canada or not. You must include your spouse or common-law partner, if applicable, and all of your dependent children, and those of your common-law partner, who are not already permanent residents or citizens of Canada.

The guide states this....

"Dependant(s)

You, the principal applicant must answer each question on behalf of each of your dependant(s).

Note: Remember that all questions in this section are about your dependant.

You can add up to five (5) dependants in this form.

To add a new dependant to the application, click the “Add Dependant” button.

To remove a dependant from the application, click the “Remove Dependant” button.

If you have more than five (5) family members, you must complete the Additional Dependants/Declaration (IMM 0008DEP) form for each additional family member in order to include everyone in your application.

Important

You must list all family members in your application for permanent residence, whether they are accompanying you to Canada or not. You must also provide details on family members whose location is unknown (including those missing or presumed dead). If you don't, you will not be able to sponsor family members at a later date if they are not listed on your application."


Now, when I think about this, this means that if she had a child who i am not the father of, correct? So, she does not need to put her parents down on this information, or her brother?

What is this bit about... "you will not be able to sponsor family members at a later date if they are not listed on your application."

If she wants to sponsor her family, she will need t fill out a family class sponsor form, right?

When the wife read something in the medical information, it said that all family members need to have a medical check, even if they are not accompanying you to Canada. So, I am only sponsoring my wife, and her parents and brother need to have a medical check? Is that right?

Thanks for any assistance

 

[OrionUnas]

Ontop of the question above, I also have a new question.... On the checklist I don't see any mention of forms 3907/e, Information Guide General Asia, that specifies it needs 9 recent photo's of the applicant and his/her family. This seems to be individual photo's, or at least how i read it...

"Supply nine (9) recent photos taken in the last six months for you and each family member. Follow the instructions in your guide (see Photos in section on completing the Application for Permanent Residence in Canada) and in Appendix B: Photo Specifications."

Now I realize it mentions the Permanent Residence Application, but I am sponsoring my wife... so why is this file mentioned here, however the same file under the sponsor spouse application package leads to this file. Has anyone seen this file before, and have they submitted these 9 photogs? Also, do this photos need to be the actual photo's, or can they be from the PC printed on paper.

As a husband, I must ask all the questions my foreign wife asks. Now can I pull the shotgun's trigger? They make it this hard to make normal people like me insane... or to hinder anyone wanting to leave their country for Canada.

 

[Korea2Canada]

Hi

Please join us in the Korea thread by author CanNZ. http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/sponsoring-my-korean-wife-for-permanent-residency-t137874.270.html


Photos: the 9 photos are professional immigration photos. Get 9 of your wife only.

 

[bartjones]

Ontop of the question above, I also have a new question.... On the checklist I don't see any mention of forms 3907/e, Information Guide General Asia, that specifies it needs 9 recent photo's of the applicant and his/her family. This seems to be individual photo's, or at least how i read it...

"Supply nine (9) recent photos taken in the last six months for you and each family member. Follow the instructions in your guide (see Photos in section on completing the Application for Permanent Residence in Canada) and in Appendix B: Photo Specifications."

Now I realize it mentions the Permanent Residence Application, but I am sponsoring my wife... so why is this file mentioned here, however the same file under the sponsor spouse application package leads to this file. Has anyone seen this file before, and have they submitted these 9 photogs? Also, do this photos need to be the actual photo's, or can they be from the PC printed on paper.

As a husband, I must ask all the questions my foreign wife asks. Now can I pull the shotgun's trigger? They make it this hard to make normal people like me insane... or to hinder anyone wanting to leave their country for Canada.

You need to include the 9 photographs. They must be real photographs not ones you printed off your computer. It's probably best to have them done at a photo store. The last page of the "Country Specific Instructions" tells you what specifications the photos must be.

Most photo places in Korea will know what specs they need to meet if you tell them they are for a permanent residence application for Canada.

And yes, as Korea2Canada suggested, join the other Korean thread where you will find a lot of help from others from Korea who are in the same position as you.