Sponsoring inland, but need visit visa for spouse - please help

[hkalltheway]

Hi All,

I am currently living in the UAE, and am a PR card holder for Canada. We moved to the UAE from Saudi Arabia in March 2010. I want to take my wife and baby to Canada on a visitor visa, so I can then sponsor them inland.

The mistake I made earlier was applying one month after I moved to the UAE, and the visa got rejected.

Now, I have been here for almost two years, have bank statements, salary certificate, tenancy contract, car ownership documents, among others...my wife is a housewife, so she is dependent on me.

How would you guys recommend I am able to get a visit visa, despite a rejection a year and half ago. I can get an invitation from Canada from a friend of mine to visit him for his 5 year anniversary, and he said he would be willing to get it notorized as well. If I provide all the documents, would it be possible for my wife and child to get a visit visa just to go on "vacation" to canada? Will those documents be sufficient enough to show close ties to the UAE?

What if I do not include my PR card copy to the application? Do they have it already on file that I am a PR card holder? She can say I am not traveling with her, and we can apply for the visa for her and my child as well. Any suggestions on the case? Thanks.

 

[DodgeCharger]

Hi All,

I am currently living in the UAE, and am a PR card holder for Canada. We moved to the UAE from Saudi Arabia in March 2010. I want to take my wife and baby to Canada on a visitor visa, so I can then sponsor them inland.

The mistake I made earlier was applying one month after I moved to the UAE, and the visa got rejected.

Now, I have been here for almost two years, have bank statements, salary certificate, tenancy contract, car ownership documents, among others...my wife is a housewife, so she is dependent on me.

How would you guys recommend I am able to get a visit visa, despite a rejection a year and half ago. I can get an invitation from Canada from a friend of mine to visit him for his 5 year anniversary, and he said he would be willing to get it notorized as well. If I provide all the documents, would it be possible for my wife and child to get a visit visa just to go on "vacation" to canada? Will those documents be sufficient enough to show close ties to the UAE?

What if I do not include my PR card copy to the application? Do they have it already on file that I am a PR card holder? She can say I am not traveling with her, and we can apply for the visa for her and my child as well. Any suggestions on the case? Thanks.

Hey friend I don't want to sound pessimist but the chances of her getting visit visa are slim to none! An that's how it goes it doesn't hurt to apply for it though but chances are u won't get it. Even if you were a Canadian citizen still I wouldn't matter much.

Reason being cuz they already know tht u can sponsor ur wife, it is just their own guidelines about visa queues for overseas spouses! U best bet is to sponsor her, the current sponsor timeline is about 27 months! I know it is frustrating, but that's the sad reality about Canada!

If every PR and Canadian citizen starts getting visit visas for their spouses then no one will actually sponsor their spouses from their own base country!

Good luck Dude!

 

[hkalltheway]

Hey friend I don't want to sound pessimist but the chances of her getting visit visa are slim to none! An that's how it goes it doesn't hurt to apply for it though but chances are u won't get it. Even if you were a Canadian citizen still I wouldn't matter much.

Reason being cuz they already know tht u can sponsor ur wife, it is just their own guidelines about visa queues for overseas spouses! U best bet is to sponsor her, the current sponsor timeline is about 27 months! I know it is frustrating, but that's the sad reality about Canada!

If every PR and Canadian citizen starts getting visit visas for their spouses then no one will actually sponsor their spouses from their own base country!

Good luck Dude!

The problem with this though is that I cannot apply from outside Canada unless I am a citizen. I have heard that a citizen can declare that he will live in Canada, if the spouse's PR gets approved. But a PR card holder has to be a resident of Canada to apply for spouse outside Canada. I am not living in Canada at the moment. I genuinely intend to live in Canada if my spouse gets approved, but how do I avail that option without being a citizen?

 

[CharlieD10]

You can't. Your choices are to either move back to Canada so you can apply to sponsor her, or stay where you are.

DodgeCharger is correct, obtaining temporary visas for non-exempt spouses and children is incredibly difficult. Added to that, if your plan is to sponsor them Inland when you arrive in Canada, that is not a temporary stay, your intention is for them to remain permanently. Dual intent only works for visa-exempt spouses most of the time.

 

[hkalltheway]

You can't. Your choices are to either move back to Canada so you can apply to sponsor her, or stay where you are.

DodgeCharger is correct, obtaining temporary visas for non-exempt spouses and children is incredibly difficult. Added to that, if your plan is to sponsor them Inland when you arrive in Canada, that is not a temporary stay, your intention is for them to remain permanently. Dual intent only works for visa-exempt spouses most of the time.

You can't. Your choices are to either move back to Canada so you can apply to sponsor her, or stay where you are.

DodgeCharger is correct, obtaining temporary visas for non-exempt spouses and children is incredibly difficult. Added to that, if your plan is to sponsor them Inland when you arrive in Canada, that is not a temporary stay, your intention is for them to remain permanently. Dual intent only works for visa-exempt spouses most of the time.

How about if I am able to show close ties to Dubai, for example: car ownership, tenancy contracts, credit card outstanding loans, loan from company, which will indicate in a letter that it will take me 9 months to pay off on a payment schedule that I am following for the past two months, among other documents. How about if I get an invitation letter from her friend in Canada that she is invited to their fifth anniversary, and if I don't show that I am traveling with her and my child? Would the chances improve?

 

[chelley]

Your ties to UAE does not directly demonstrate your wife's intentions to return... It may strengthen the visa application a little, but I think her application should stand on it's own merit (especially considering you are a PR holder with an obligation to return to residence in Canada in the not so distant future to maintain that status)....

This will be very tough with a lack of solid longstanding employment and a dependency on you... Does she own property? Commitments outside the home? Strong ties to any family other than you that would demonstrate her desire and need to return?

Good luck

 

[canadianwoman]

She has to prove that she will leave Canada. So the proof you mentioned is fine as far as it goes, but it is not enough. She should show things like a letter from her boss stating she has 2 weeks vacation and is expected back, an apartment lease or mortgage, or enrollment in school. She's a housewife, so some or all of these are not available to her. She can also show a letter from the child's school stating the child is expected back in 2 weeks (or whatever), which will help prove the child will be returning. Receipts for classes that start after the expected return date also help.
However, even with very good evidence she and the child will return, it is very difficult to get a TRV with a Canadian PR spouse, because the visa officers don't believe the applicant will return.

 

[hkalltheway]

She has to prove that she will leave Canada. So the proof you mentioned is fine as far as it goes, but it is not enough. She should show things like a letter from her boss stating she has 2 weeks vacation and is expected back, an apartment lease or mortgage, or enrollment in school. She's a housewife, so some or all of these are not available to her. She can also show a letter from the child's school stating the child is expected back in 2 weeks (or whatever), which will help prove the child will be returning. Receipts for classes that start after the expected return date also help.
However, even with very good evidence she and the child will return, it is very difficult to get a TRV with a Canadian PR spouse, because the visa officers don't believe the applicant will return.

Thank you all for all detailed responses. I met an immigration lawyer here yesterday. He said it is very tough, but might be doable if we all get American Visas, and then show a travel itinerary to the US, and say we want to visit Canada for two days, since we are visiting the US, and then will come back to the UAE. That way, he said they might see that we have US visas, and our primary intention is to visit the US for Christmas holidays, so might drop by Canada for a few days to visit friends.

He also mentioned that some people choose to smuggle across the border (apparantly he says they don't check all passports in a vehicle), so she might get through, otherwise will be sent back to the US, and to keep on trying. If she somehow makes it to Canada without an entry stamp of any kind, could she still be sponsored inland? I doubt I will take this route though. Thanks.

 

[awor]

Thank you all for all detailed responses. I met an immigration lawyer here yesterday. He said it is very tough, but might be doable if we all get American Visas, and then show a travel itinerary to the US, and say we want to visit Canada for two days, since we are visiting the US, and then will come back to the UAE. That way, he said they might see that we have US visas, and our primary intention is to visit the US for Christmas holidays, so might drop by Canada for a few days to visit friends.

He also mentioned that some people choose to smuggle across the border (apparantly he says they don't check all passports in a vehicle), so she might get through, otherwise will be sent back to the US, and to keep on trying. If she somehow makes it to Canada without an entry stamp of any kind, could she still be sponsored inland? I doubt I will take this route though. Thanks.

I'd run as fast as I could away from that lawyer, but maybe someone else knows if that is legal/legit (doesn't sound like it to me).

Why not just apply outland and stay with your family there until approval? You'll have to show proof of intent to return, but it shouldn't be too difficult.

 

[canadianwoman]

No, he's a PR, so would have to be in Canada to sponsor. You can sponsor someone inland even if they are not 'legally' inland. Still, I wouldn't try smuggling her across the border. If she is caught, it will make getting her PR much more difficult, since it will look as if she is desperate to go to Canada by any means possible, including illegal means - which means they will doubt everything she has to say in the PR application.

 

[Stumpedmom]

Thank you all for all detailed responses. I met an immigration lawyer here yesterday. He said it is very tough, but might be doable if we all get American Visas, and then show a travel itinerary to the US, and say we want to visit Canada for two days, since we are visiting the US, and then will come back to the UAE. That way, he said they might see that we have US visas, and our primary intention is to visit the US for Christmas holidays, so might drop by Canada for a few days to visit friends.

He also mentioned that some people choose to smuggle across the border (apparantly he says they don't check all passports in a vehicle), so she might get through, otherwise will be sent back to the US, and to keep on trying. If she somehow makes it to Canada without an entry stamp of any kind, could she still be sponsored inland? I doubt I will take this route though. Thanks.

I agree with awor...run really fast from that lawyer....they do check all visas in a vehicle...and if she gets caught, she could be banned from Canada....She will still have to prove ties to the UAE to get the US visa, and from what I have heard, they are even harder to get then a Canadian one....

 

[hkalltheway]

I agree with awor...run really fast from that lawyer....they do check all visas in a vehicle...and if she gets caught, she could be banned from Canada....She will still have to prove ties to the UAE to get the US visa, and from what I have heard, they are even harder to get then a Canadian one....

As far as the US visa is concerned, I already have one, and over here in the UAE, if I am her sponsor and she is a housewife, my documentation would be sufficient for her to get her US visa. Therefore, if we get the US Visa, and show that we are actually traveling to the US, and will drop by Canada only for a day or two, and show a return itenerary, do you think it might help, although I am a PR of Canada?

 

[canadianwoman]

It will help. Show your US itinerary, plus paid-up hotel and travel bookings. They'll think that if you have actually paid for a hotel and a plane ticket, you are more likely to use it.

 

[hkalltheway]

Hey guys,

How about if I apply for a transit visa, and show the US itinerary and all? Do you think we will have better chances to secure a visa? Then, she can land in Canada, stay with me, and I can sponsor inland.

 

[chelley]

i looked up transit visa as i thought the applicant was required to stay in the airport, however after reading i'm not sure that's the case... I believe the same obsticles/red flags will still be applicable and I think it'd look double fishy that you're transiting into the USA via Canada. Might work if you were coming from somewhere like Cuba or somewhere where it's hard to get direct flights into the US, but I imagine UAE has direct flights into many US cities.

AND to apply for a transit visa they often require proof of travel (so itinerary plans won't suffice, they want to see up front paid travel).. I'd recommend refundable tickets.


good luck