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margaretquinn

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Hello!

Quick question! Here is the situation. A family of three (mom, dad and child) come to Canada after living together in another country for their entire life (except Mom, she lived in Canada as a PR for two years in the 90s). The family decides to move to Canada. Father and Son come to Canada on a work visa. Mom reactivates her PR status (allowed as she was removed from Canada as a child). The plan is that Mom would eventually sponsor her partner and her son. Relationship breaks down. Mom then attempts to apply for PR status for the child, sponsoring him as a "dependent child only". She was unaware that she needed the Father's permissions. She is prompted by immigration to have him sing the IMM 5604 form which clearly states that he may lose access to his child completely if he signs. He plans to apply for PR on his own but he cannot sign this form until he has his own PR status or he could lose his child forever. They all live in the same Canadian city with mom being the only one with permanent status (dads is currently doing his PR application).

My question is whether or not she can force him to sign this form. He has joint legal custody and is in court trying to get 50/50 physical custody. She has been difficult to say the least and doesn't believe that fathers should have equal say or time. He has had a consultation with a immigration lawyer who said under no circumstances can he sign the form until he has his own status or he risks losing his son forever. He has a family lawyer dealing with the custody issue. However, his family lawyer is saying that he MUST sign and that he knew the risks when he came here. He also stated that if he doesn't they can take him to court forcing him to sign and he will then have to pay the legal expenses on top of that.

Regardless what is true or not, he cannot sign the form. He is very close with his son and obviously no father would take that risk regardless of the financial consequences. He will obviously gladly sign the form once he has his own status secured.
 
Hello!

Quick question! Here is the situation. A family of three (mom, dad and child) come to Canada after living together in another country for their entire life (except Mom, she lived in Canada as a PR for two years in the 90s). The family decides to move to Canada. Father and Son come to Canada on a work visa. Mom reactivates her PR status (allowed as she was removed from Canada as a child). The plan is that Mom would eventually sponsor her partner and her son. Relationship breaks down. Mom then attempts to apply for PR status for the child, sponsoring him as a "dependent child only". She was unaware that she needed the Father's permissions. She is prompted by immigration to have him sing the IMM 5604 form which clearly states that he may lose access to his child completely if he signs. He plans to apply for PR on his own but he cannot sign this form until he has his own PR status or he could lose his child forever. They all live in the same Canadian city with mom being the only one with permanent status (dads is currently doing his PR application).

My question is whether or not she can force him to sign this form. He has joint legal custody and is in court trying to get 50/50 physical custody. She has been difficult to say the least and doesn't believe that fathers should have equal say or time. He has had a consultation with a immigration lawyer who said under no circumstances can he sign the form until he has his own status or he risks losing his son forever. He has a family lawyer dealing with the custody issue. However, his family lawyer is saying that he MUST sign and that he knew the risks when he came here. He also stated that if he doesn't they can take him to court forcing him to sign and he will then have to pay the legal expenses on top of that.

Regardless what is true or not, he cannot sign the form. He is very close with his son and obviously no father would take that risk regardless of the financial consequences. He will obviously gladly sign the form once he has his own status secured.

This is a family law question - not an immigration question. From an immigration perspective, all we can confirm is that his signature is needed on the form in order for the mother to sponsor the child for PR. In terms of whether he has to sign the form or not, custody consequences, and the legal consequences for not signing the form - this is a family law matter.

Good luck.
 
This is a family law question - not an immigration question. From an immigration perspective, all we can confirm is that his signature is needed on the form in order for the mother to sponsor the child for PR. In terms of whether he has to sign the form or not, custody consequences, and the legal consequences for not signing the form - this is a family law matter.

Good luck.
Thank you for your response!
 
How does someone one get PRTD based on H&C of being removed as child when they are returning with a partner and a child? Clearly not returning as soon as possible
 
How does someone one get PRTD based on H&C of being removed as child when they are returning with a partner and a child? Clearly not returning as soon as possible


Sorry could you clarify what you mean? I'm not sure I understand fully. The mother came to Canada as a "visitor". She already had a SIN number so she just came here as a visitor, used her SIN to start working and when she met the residency requirements she applied for PR card and it was granted. Not sure how it all happened but that is how she was able to get into the country.
 
Sorry could you clarify what you mean? I'm not sure I understand fully. The mother came to Canada as a "visitor". She already had a SIN number so she just came here as a visitor, used her SIN to start working and when she met the residency requirements she applied for PR card and it was granted. Not sure how it all happened but that is how she was able to get into the country.

She should have never been able to enter Canada as a visitor if she was a PR. It should have denied her ETA request. This forum just highlights how many holes are in our immigration system.
 
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She should have never been able to enter Canada as a visitor if she was a PR. It should have denied her ETA request. This forum just highlights how many holes are in our immigration system.

Yes, you are correct. She should not have been granted entry. I think they are stricter now as she entered three years ago. I don't think you can even board a plane to Canada if you do not have your PR card in hand now.
 
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Yes, you are correct. She should not have been granted entry. I think they are stricter now as she entered three years ago. I don't think you can even board a plane to Canada if you do not have your PR card in hand now.

You mentioned that she was removed as a child and that is the basis of many claims for PRTD for H&C reasons.