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Son of Russian spies regains Canadian citizenship

itsmyid

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/son-of-russian-spies-regains-canadian-citizenship-1.4174612

I don't want to pass any judgment here, since whatever his parents did (which most took place in the US) have nothing to do with him as a child, the only thing that puzzles me is: this guy was born in Canada and moved with his spy parents to France 1 year later, then spending years in the US until his parents were arrested and the whole family went back to Russia. So basically he spent 1 year in Canada as a baby in his entire life, while in his statement he said ''It is the only culture I can associate with, and has been a cornerstone of my identity even after these events'.

It is just funny and sad at the same time when immigrants like us who have years in Canada and paid tons of $ to the system still struggle with 1 extra year of residence requirement ...
 
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If his parents are spies and burned, there'll be a nil chance he can be a spy because governments know their identities.

There are some cases in Russia, children of intelligence agents become sleeper cells. That if, their cover haven't been blown.

It maybe right he regains his canadian citizenship because he proves no threat to the country. Of course, if he haven't associated with known spy rings.
 

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Another thing mentioned in the story is: the reason of his initial revocation is he was born in Canada to parents who were employed by foreign government , which made a lot of sense
 

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/son-of-russian-spies-regains-canadian-citizenship-1.4174612

I don't want to pass any judgment here, since whatever his parents did (which most took place in the US) have nothing to do with him as a child, the only thing that puzzles me is: this guy was born in Canada and moved with his spy parents to France 1 year later, then spending years in the US until his parents were arrested and the whole family went back to Russia. So basically he spent 1 year in Canada as a baby in his entire life, while in his statement he said ''It is the only culture I can associate with, and has been a cornerstone of my identity even after these events'.

It is just funny and sad at the same time when immigrants like us who have years in Canada and paid tons of $ to the system still struggle with 1 extra year of residence requirement ...
thumbs up to what u said bro ,,, specially when immigrants here fighting with cic to get their citizenship ,,, very unfair and full of bull...... it makes me sick
 

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Does this means that children born in Canada to foreign parents employed by foreign government get to keep citizenship? The spy parents were technically employed by a foreign government only difference is that it was not official. They were basically unofficial diplomats.
 
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paulvoyer

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Does this means that children born in Canada to foreign parents employed by foreign government get to keep citizenship?
well you never know anything with our lovely CIC ,, for me CIC is a black box ,, no transparency or whatever ,, and if you have money you can just threat them with your immigration lawyer ,, ur file will finish just like that
 

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I just hope the federal government will appeal this ruling. The ruling will open a can of worms.
 

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Does this means that children born in Canada to foreign parents employed by foreign government get to keep citizenship? The spy parents were technically employed by a foreign government only difference is that it was not official. They were basically unofficial diplomats.
Not to mention the misrepresentation since the father assumed the identity of a dead person from Montreal
 

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well you never know anything with our lovely CIC ,, for me CIC is a black box ,, no transparency or whatever ,, and if you have money you can just threat them with your immigration lawyer ,, ur file will finish just like that
Unfortunately CIC didn't make the decision to restore his citizenship , it is determined by the court
 

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This probably is not all that complicated. Better to wait to see the actual decision itself before jumping to too many conclusions, since media reports about cases like this tend to conflate issues, due in large part to extrapolating from fragments of observations by lawyers entangled with anecdotal accounts of context, too often resulting in out-of-context or outright misstatements of the legal issues let alone the dispositive principles.

I would note, for example, that the CBC article states Valilov's citizenship was "revoked." The Federal Court decision, which was (according to the CBC article) "set aside," stated that Valilov's certificate of citizenship was "cancelled." There is a difference, a very substantial and important difference. (Net effect is the same: no citizenship, but the reasons, grounds, standard of proof, procedure, are very different.)

To see the Federal Court decision, the one now set aside, go to http://canlii.ca/t/gkr9s

That said, the core issue is probably fairly simple and straightforward, there being no doubt this individual was born in Canada. Persons born in Canada in 1994 are Canadian citizens, at birth, with limited exceptions. The exception at issue in this case is prescribed in subsection 3(2)(a) in the Citizenship Act. While section 3 has undergone many amendments over the years, the relevant language in this case has remained the same since the date the Registrar informed Valilov his citizenship certificate was "cancelled," in 2014, and I think it was the same in 1994 when Valilov was born in Canada.

For the text of Section 3 in the Citizenship Act see http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-29/page-1.html#h-3

The relevant subsection states that the provision which confers citizenship on a person born in Canada " . . . does not apply to a person if, at the time of his birth, neither of his parents was a citizen or lawfully admitted to Canada for permanent residence and either of his parents was [(a)] a diplomatic or consular officer or other representative or employee in Canada of a foreign government."

Note this is a conjunctive exception.

The CBC article says this is the issue regarding which the Federal Court of Appeals decision disagreed with the Federal Court decision, Justice Bell interpreting 3(2)(a) broadly, to include any employee of a foreign government, and (according to CBC) the Fed Ct of Appeals saying "this shouldn't apply because Vavilov's parents did not have diplomatic privileges or immunities while in Canada."

While this was one of the two certified questions, my understanding is that once the Federal Court of Appeals takes jurisdiction it is not strictly limited to addressing the certified questions. I would like to see the official decision itself, and in particular see the reasoning underlying its interpretation of this Section, before drawing any conclusions about it. There were, for example, procedural fairness issues raised in the lower proceedings.



Some overall observations:

This is an unusual, almost unique situation (recognizing there is a brother with a similar case still pending). It has little general importance outside its particular parameters but is of general importance within the scope of persons born in Canada to a parent employed by a foreign government. And this is probably an issue for which a definitive interpretation is needed, particularly as Canada, like everywhere, is part of the globally mobile world.

However, in particular, this decision has virtually no significance for grant or naturalized citizenship. It has no relevance to the procedure or process for revoking citizenship on any grounds.

Additionally, this is a Harper era case. Under Harper's leadership CIC took a far more strict, sometimes draconian approach in how it handled cases in which there was any arguable basis for excluding . . . I forget the term employed by more than a few in Harper's government and many more among Conservatives generally, something to do with persons who are not old stock Canadians. (The Justice Bell decision was issued when Harper was still PM.)
 
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Another thing mentioned in the story is: the reason of his initial revocation is he was born in Canada to parents who were employed by foreign government , which made a lot of sense
My view is, as he was born in Canada, he is a Canadian citizen, and Government should not be trying to strip him of that citizenship. His parents were spies, without any diplomatic immunity, and not officially accredited by the Soviet Union at the time their children were born.

It is a sad commentary that the only absolute certainty a person born in Canada has of their citizenship status is when they are told by IRCC that they are NOT citizens. Otherwise, their status is "provisional", because Government affirmations of citizenship provide no absolute certainty of one's status (Government may always later determine that person is not, and never was, a citizen). Canada's citizenship laws are a laughing stock.
 

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