Should I add US Citizen child to my application

[lampbreaker]

I got the ITA in the most recent round. However, my US Citizen child was born after I created my profile. I have enough funds to support everybody on the application. But my child doesn't have a passport yet and will take another couple of months to get it. So I want to add him as not accompanying. He doesn't need a Visa to travel to Canada. What should I do?

 

[dobes]

I got the ITA in the most recent round. However, my US Citizen child was born after I created my profile. I have enough funds to support everybody on the application. But my child doesn't have a passport yet and will take another couple of months to get it. So I want to add him as not accompanying. He doesn't need a Visa to travel to Canada. What should I do?

You have to add him to your application as a non-accompanying child! Otherwise, he can only stay in Canada for 6 months. BTW, if he travels by land to Canada with his parents, you need only his birth certificate to cross the border.

 

[scylla]

Yes - it's mandatory that you add your US citizen child to your application (it doesn't matter that the child doesn't require a visa to visit Canada or that your child is non-accompanying). Failure to add your child now means you will never be able to sponsor your child for Canadian PR later - and also means you will be committing misrepresentation (lying in your application) - which can result in your PR application being refused or your PR status being later revoked.

 

[lampbreaker]

To rephrase, I will be adding him but as a non-accompanying family member. Can I still take him to Canada when I land? When I first land I won't be staying more than a few days.

Also, dobes any links/references for the birth certificate travel thing?

 

[dobes]

To rephrase, I will be adding him but as a non-accompanying family member. Can I still take him to Canada when I land? When I first land I won't be staying more than a few days.

Also, dobes any links/references for the birth certificate travel thing?

I know - people didn't understand that you were going to add him to the application - just thinking you might not be able to bring him with you as he doesn't yet have a passport. I was trying to say that you certainly could bring him on a birth certificate, so if the PR application doesn't demand that an infant have a passport to accompany you, you will still be able to bring him from the US without having to go through the hassle of applying for him after you come to Canada.

Here's the quote: Children: Minor children 15 and under travelling by land or by sea may enter Canada with a valid passport or their U.S. or Canadian birth certificate.



Here's the link: http://can-am.gc.ca/consular_services_consulaires/border-frontiere.aspx?lang=eng#entry

And BTW - Congratulations!

 

[lampbreaker]

That's good to know. But he will need a passport to return to US. Besides, that's not so important since landing is still 6+ months away and he will have a passport by then.

My question is since I have not added him as accompanying, can he still accompany us as a visitor. (So we will be landing as PR's but he will join us as a short-term visitor). To add him as accompanying, he needs to have a passport.

 

[dobes]

That's good to know. But he will need a passport to return to US. Besides, that's not so important since landing is still 6+ months away and he will have a passport by then.

My question is since I have not added him as accompanying, can he still accompany us as a visitor. (So we will be landing as PR's but he will join us as a short-term visitor). To add him as accompanying, he needs to have a passport.

As a visitor, he can get back into the US by land with his birth certificate.

I guess what I wonder is - why do you want him to be non-accompanying? Why the headache of applying for him later? There is a place on the CSE to report the birth of a new child, if you have already turned in your PR application.

Quote: Children: U.S. citizen children ages 15 and under arriving by land or sea from a contiguous territory may present an original or copy of his or her birth certificate (issued by the Vital Records Department in the state where he or she was born), a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, or a Naturalization Certificate. If the child is a newborn and the actual birth certificate has not arrived from the Vital Records Department, we will accept a Hospital issued birth certificate.

link: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/74/~/us-citizens---documents-needed-for-entry-into-the-u.s.

 

[wskamel]

you can , but it is a lot better to process PR for him on same time , to avoid filling separate application for him

You can get US passport in 3 weeks with extra fees , and you can get in 1 week if you have travel itinerary for you child that is 2 weeks ahead

 

[jes_ON]

But my child doesn't have a passport yet and will take another couple of months to get it. So I want to add him as not accompanying. He doesn't need a Visa to travel to Canada. What should I do?...

My question is since I have not added him as accompanying, can he still accompany us as a visitor. (So we will be landing as PR's but he will join us as a short-term visitor). To add him as accompanying, he needs to have a passport.

Sorry, this is kind of hurting my head to try and understand why anyone would do this. You say "us" so I assume you mean your spouse/partner (child's mother) will be obtaining PR with you. But your intention is to NOT get PR for your child, but have him live here with you? I think CIC will have a major problem with this...

And the reason is because of the passport?

I appreciate that you have a short window to apply, and sometimes it can take time to get the USA passport, so this is a difficult situation. Have you applied for the child's passport yet?

I realize the passport is mandatory, but I would contact CIC about this unusual situation to see if you can submit the application with the child's passport "pending" (along with proof that you have applied).

Alternatives would be to wait and see how quickly you get the passport.

If you go ahead applying with the child as non-accompanying, perhaps you can change his status to accompanying while your application is in process, when you get the passport. But I would only try that as a last resort...

 

[lampbreaker]

The problem of course is that I need a passport number for my child and I cannot get that passport withing 60 days. (There are other reasons why I can't expedite).

Yes, my spouse is included as accompanying. We don't intend to live in Canada immediately after I land. We will return to US within a few days. So initially my child can join us as a visitor.

Can I sponsor him for PR later when I permanently settle? How tough is that?

 

[jes_ON]

I understand there are technicalities, but here's what CIC will see - you and your spouse are applying for Canadian PR, but not for your child. The implication is that you plan to leave your child behind. Child abandonment. Yes, I KNOW that is not your intention, but can you see how it will look? That your child should "visit" his parents rather than live with them? I think CIC would want a good explanation, and "didn't have a passport yet" is not it.

As for how tough it is to sponsor a child later, I suggest you visit the family class forum to find out.

Anyway - your decision. But if you're serious about PR, I would recommend including him as accompanying.

 

[dobes]

The problem of course is that I need a passport number for my child and I cannot get that passport withing 60 days. (There are other reasons why I can't expedite).

Yes, my spouse is included as accompanying. We don't intend to live in Canada immediately after I land. We will return to US within a few days. So initially my child can join us as a visitor.

Can I sponsor him for PR later when I permanently settle? How tough is that?

This is something I would call CIC about to ask how to deal with it. You really do run the risk of seeming shady by including your spouse but not your newborn child as accompanying. I think it is very likely that CIC will allow you to list the child as accompanying and provide the US birth certificate along with a Letter of Explanation about the child's passport - and then send the passport number along in a CSE when you get it. In fact, without calling CIC that is exactly what I would do.

CIC is made up of humans - and no human being expects the parents of a newborn child to leave it behind when they immigrate! I suspect they have a solution for you if you contact them.

It is a whole separate procedure with whole separate fees to bring a child later on and I just think it would seem strange to CIC the way you plan to do it. It also takes longer than the 6 months your child would have as a visitor.

 

[Mkranthi]

I am facing an issue for my profile regarding dependent child. I received ITA in May 2018 and I selected to continue the application. We are 3 members, Myself, spouse(Indian Citizens) and child (US citizen)(2 years). When we clicked continue application option, we see 3 sections one for each member on application.
For my child, header of the section showed as below by default.
XXXXXXX: Unaccompanying, PR Child Form
And also, In the personal details section for my child, system defaultly selected "NO" for the below question
Will this person accompany XXXXX to Canada?
I am totally confused as I never specified my child as not accompanying and I also gave 3 members for total no of members in the application.
In my express entry profile it never asked details about my dependant. Only place I was able to specify is "No of accompanying members" and I made sure to give 3.

Is this usual to all applicants with children or did i miss anything in my profile?
Is there any way to make my child as accompanying from non accompanying?

 

[lampbreaker]

I am facing an issue for my profile regarding dependent child. I received ITA in May 2018 and I selected to continue the application. We are 3 members, Myself, spouse(Indian Citizens) and child (US citizen)(2 years). When we clicked continue application option, we see 3 sections one for each member on application.
For my child, header of the section showed as below by default.
XXXXXXX: Unaccompanying, PR Child Form
And also, In the personal details section for my child, system defaultly selected "NO" for the below question
Will this person accompany XXXXX to Canada?
I am totally confused as I never specified my child as not accompanying and I also gave 3 members for total no of members in the application.
In my express entry profile it never asked details about my dependant. Only place I was able to specify is "No of accompanying members" and I made sure to give 3.

Is this usual to all applicants with children or did i miss anything in my profile?
Is there any way to make my child as accompanying from non accompanying?

The the question grayed out? Can you change the answer to yes?