Should first priority be given to spouses of citizens before PR holders?

[torontosm]

So again, applying your own statement, if there was no Canada prior to European settlers, how can you call the Native peoples the "real Canadians"? I'm not arguing history; I'm well aware of the settlement history of the Americas. I'm simply pointing out your poor word choice. I found it somewhat offensive to be told by you that I'm an immigrant and not a real Canadian.

I was not born in Canada and am a real Canadian. I find it offensive that you imply that immigrants who obtained citizenship through naturalization are not real Canadians.

 

[keesio]

The land was once somebody else's home, and the foreigners dun made a home out of it with little to no damn given about the real residents, which is how some backwards arsed people feel about foreigners nowadays.

The fact of the matter is that in the vast majority of developed nations, the current "native" is not the original indigenous population. For example, who are the "true" Japanese to you? Do you really go around thinking the current majority inhabitants of modern day japan as not being real Japanese? Because the native indigenous group of the area are the Ainu. Even the Japanese government recognizes this. But who out there thinks "oh, those people aren't really Japanese - they are there foreigners. It is an Ainu who are real Japanese". Most people have no idea who the Ainu are. Same goes for Scandinavia and the Sami people, etc etc etc

When this whole "Canada is occupied land" thing comes up, it is usually from someone just frustrated with the immigration process or someone with a knee-jerk reaction to someone else on the forums. It comes up from time to time.

 

[Jonesy319]

The whole topic of 'who is Canadian' (or insert any other nation) is polarising depending which side of the line you are behind.

If a baby is born in a country - Canada for example - but only lives there for a couple of months the baby is still deemed a citizen of that country.

If he/she then lives in another country for a big part of his/her life, contributing to that society and economy, then he/she decides to move back to Canada, has he/she contributed any more or less than a PR who chose Canada as the country they'd like to live in and has been there for 8 years? Obviously, he/she will have contributed less and it's only by virtue of geography and gestation period that he/she was born in Canada in the first place.

It has to be black and white but the shades of grey come down to what each person gives to the country he or she resides in versus takes from it. There's no measurement for this unfortunately so governments have to create rules, some of which some of the population will rail against.

I was born in the UK and chose to move to Canada in 1997, I became a citizen in 2003. I consider Canada my 'home' country even though I am back in the UK currently (sponsoring my UK partner).

I will be devastated if my partner does not get PR status, for whatever reason the CIC decides - life is not fair - whoever thinks it should be is rather naive. We will fight for us to return to Canada because we will contribute to the country.

So to the question - should a priority be given to citizens versus PR in sponsorship? No it should be given to those who legitimately want to contribute regardless of status.

Jonesy

 

[sam_1985]

The whole topic of 'who is Canadian' (or insert any other nation) is polarising depending which side of the line you are behind.

If a baby is born in a country - Canada for example - but only lives there for a couple of months the baby is still deemed a citizen of that country.

If he/she then lives in another country for a big part of his/her life, contributing to that society and economy, then he/she decides to move back to Canada, has he/she contributed any more or less than a PR who chose Canada as the country they'd like to live in and has been there for 8 years? Obviously, he/she will have contributed less and it's only by virtue of geography and gestation period that he/she was born in Canada in the first place.

It has to be black and white but the shades of grey come down to what each person gives to the country he or she resides in versus takes from it. There's no measurement for this unfortunately so governments have to create rules, some of which some of the population will rail against.

I was born in the UK and chose to move to Canada in 1997, I became a citizen in 2003. I consider Canada my 'home' country even though I am back in the UK currently (sponsoring my UK partner).

I will be devastated if my partner does not get PR status, for whatever reason the CIC decides - life is not fair - whoever thinks it should be is rather naive. We will fight for us to return to Canada because we will contribute to the country.

So to the question - should a priority be given to citizens versus PR in sponsorship? No it should be given to those who legitimately want to contribute regardless of status.

Jonesy

Well said rational and logical! Thanks for not being emotional!!

 

[canuck_in_uk]

You are an immigrant whether u like it or not... If u were born in Canada then ur ancestors Immigrated to Canada; and stop making it sound like being an immigrant makes one inferior in any way...it doesn't at all! When PR's become citizens they r just as Canadian as u r in fact even when they r PR's they r just as Canadian...they just can't vote although the government collects taxes from
Them but that's a separate discussion and they don't hold a Canadian passport... But they contribute to society as much as a born Canadian....this is a land of immigrants period! Some came decades ago and some centuries ago.... And above all, what's the point of discussing whether or not u r an Immigrant....what difference does it even make??????? Who cares!!!

Definition of an immigrant: a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country. I'm not an immigrant, as I was born here.

Read my posts again. I never in any way said that being an immigrant makes a person inferior. I simply said that I am not one. I never said that naturalized citizens are any less Canadian than I am. One set of my grandparents were immigrants who became Canadian citizens; I never considered them inferior or any less Canadian than I am.

I was not born in Canada and am a real Canadian. I find it offensive that you imply that immigrants who obtained citizenship through naturalization are not real Canadians.

Read my posts again. I did not imply that in any way. I simply objected to someone calling me an immigrant and not a "real Canadian". The OP is the one who stated in the first post that none of us, born or naturalized, are "real Canadians" except the Native peoples. If you want to take offense, take it at the person who straight out said you aren't Canadian.

 

[Jonesy319]

Well said rational and logical! Thanks for not being emotional!!

Thank you - I train people in Emotional Intelligence so it'd be a good idea if I demonstrated it!

People get upset and respond negatively when one of their needs isn't being met or they feel threatened. It's natural, it's human and it takes a long time to try and understand. I have spent 10 years studying it and there are still times I get so mad I can't see straight. When people's passions are aroused communications and misunderstood. The written word is not the best vehicle to convey strong feeling.

People feel passionate about that which they care about. It would appear a lot of people are passionate about Canada - and I am one of them.

Jonesy

 

[canuck_in_uk]

I consider Canada my 'home' country even though I am back in the UK currently (sponsoring my UK partner).

I will be devastated if my partner does not get PR status, for whatever reason the CIC decides - life is not fair - whoever thinks it should be is rather naive. We will fight for us to return to Canada because we will contribute to the country.

Don't worry about your spouse's PR app. There are extremely limited grounds under the law for refusing a spousal PR app. As long as there is sufficient relationship proof, no criminal record issues and no sponsor welfare/bankruptcy, it will be approved.

The written word is not the best vehicle to convey strong feeling.

People feel passionate about that which they care about. It would appear a lot of people are passionate about Canada - and I am one of them.

Very true. Written word, lacking both body language and tone of voice, does not convey nearly as much as verbal communication, especially when "speaking" passionately about something.

 

[sam_1985]

Some great responses from everyone; no hard feelings canuck_in_uk; I may have spoken out of passion and hope didn't offend u; at the end of the day, we r all on a journey with CIC and want to successfully start our lives with our spouses and this forum is meant to provide/guidance and support! And for the most part, everyone is helpful here and the goal is to try and share information which is often a relief knowing that u r not the only one going through it!

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Some great responses from everyone; no hard feelings canuck_in_uk; I may have spoken out of passion and hope didn't offend u; at the end of the day, we r all on a journey with CIC and want to successfully start our lives with our spouses and this forum is meant to provide/guidance and support! And for the most part, everyone is helpful here and the goal is to try and share information which is often a relief knowing that u r not the only one going through it!

No hard feelings. Discussion and the occasional debate is what this forum is all about.

 

[Jonesy319]

Don't worry about your spouse's PR app. There are extremely limited grounds under the law for refusing a spousal PR app. As long as there is sufficient relationship proof, no criminal record issues and no sponsor welfare/bankruptcy, it will be approved.


Thank you very much for the reassurance - it means a lot to me!

I left the country I loved to be with the man I love and to prove our relationship for 2 years before returning. It has been fantastic to be with my partner but I had no idea quite how much I would miss Canada. For a few months earlier this year I think I was in mourning, until I became an NLP Practitioner in for my work, and used one of the techniques to change my thinking.

We submitted our application to Mississauga earlier this month - hoping for a quick(ish) response, his PR will g through London unless it's re-routed to Ottawa. Our goal is to be back in Canada late August 2015, with our without his PR and hoping it will come!

Thanks again
Jonesy
PS can't figure out how to type after a quote!

 

[spaceexp]

PS can't figure out how to type after a quote!

Just type after the last "[/quote]"

 

[Jonesy319]

Just type after the last ""

thanks!

 

[spaceexp]

thanks!

Anytime

 

[OntarioBound]

In the US, according to Wiki, there is a processing time difference between a US citizen trying to sponsor a foreign spouse and a green card (PR) holder trying to sponsor a spouse due to spousal sponsorship by a PR holder having quotas (whereas there is no quota for US citizens) and there is a backlog of one year for PR holders (which most likely mean the processing time for spousal sponsorship by a PR holder can take up to 1 year longer than by a US citizen)

I would be surprised that Canada treated both Canadian citizens and the PR holders the same way, but Canada is not America, so I guess anything is possible. Whatever the case, it's just the way it is, so I'd just accept it.