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hawk39

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Why born after 1977? Seems to me the limit also affected those born before then as well.
It should affect those born before 1977 as well, but keep in mind that before 1977, there was a pathway for citizenship by descent for any generation with a married Canadian father by registering the child's birth with the Canadian embassy, then there was the delayed registration period from 1977 until 2004 and the special grant of citizenship from 1977 to 2009. If the born-abroad parent did not know about these opportunities for their children or sponsored their children to Canada before the judge's ruling, it's a strong possibility they never intended to reside and establish their 3-year connection to be able to benefit from the ruling now, and any complaint now would solely be based on ignorance of the previous laws when the opportunities were there. To be fair, I did say "mostly, if not all" rather than 'only'.
 

hawk39

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Unfortunately, she still won't hit 1095 days. That is basically 3 years. Unless you live there it is difficult to meet. One side of her family all live in Canada and we visit them frequently. Her Canadian father does too, in fact he never naturalized in the US where he lives. In a sense my kid could very well decide to live there when he is all grown up. One can argue that is not good enough reason to be awarded the citizenship but the fact that there is family there whom we visit a lot, own property up there and thinking about our family member's future residency in Canada probably should account for something. Heck, he could not even get a PR status without us (his mother in particular) meeting the residency requirements in Canada. If he had a clear path to the PR status I'd be content with that.
Your wife can sponsor your child for PR and immediately file for citizenship under 5(2) as a naturalized citizen; PR children do not have to meet the 1095-day residency obligation as long as one parent is Canadian. The only obstacle is for your wife to prove that she intends to move to Canada to be able to sponsor your child.
 

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Heck, he could not even get a PR status without us (his mother in particular) meeting the residency requirements in Canada. If he had a clear path to the PR status I'd be content with that.
You are confusing rules, I think.

There is no residency obligation for your son to be sponsored by his mother for PR. The hard part is that she would need to show intent to move to Canada and reside here once his PR is approved. Given she has never lived in Canada, she would need very strong evidence to show this. That's what would be a challenge for sponsoring for PR (not residency requirement).

There would be a very clear and easy path to PR for your son (assuming he is under 22) if you were moving to Canada.
 

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It should affect those born before 1977 as well, but keep in mind that before 1977, there was a pathway for citizenship by descent for any generation with a married Canadian father by registering the child's birth with the Canadian embassy...
Ah, I think we had a genuine misunderstanding: I interpreted* this such that parents born abroad before 1977 are also affected when their children (born after 1977) cannot take on citizenship by birth.

I now see you meant this only in terms of the limitation of citizenship by descent being able to directly acquire citizenship via their parents, i.e. that only those who can't receive citizenship by descent are 'affected.'

*I'd argue that interpretation is pretty obvious, as it seems in large part what the Supreme Court based its decision on, but I see what you literally meant by your text. Don't mean to turn a semantic distinction into a thing, jsut how I read it.
 

hawk39

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Ah, I think we had a genuine misunderstanding: I interpreted* this such that parents born abroad before 1977 are also affected when their children (born after 1977) cannot take on citizenship by birth.

I now see you meant this only in terms of the limitation of citizenship by descent being able to directly acquire citizenship via their parents, i.e. that only those who can't receive citizenship by descent are 'affected.'

*I'd argue that interpretation is pretty obvious, as it seems in large part what the Supreme Court based its decision on, but I see what you literally meant by your text. Don't mean to turn a semantic distinction into a thing, jsut how I read it.
No problem, happy to clear up any ambiguity you may have perceived. It helps out the community who might have similar thoughts. :)
 
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canuck91

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It should affect those born before 1977 as well, but keep in mind that before 1977, there was a pathway for citizenship by descent for any generation with a married Canadian father by registering the child's birth with the Canadian embassy, then there was the delayed registration period from 1977 until 2004 and the special grant of citizenship from 1977 to 2009. If the born-abroad parent did not know about these opportunities for their children or sponsored their children to Canada before the judge's ruling, it's a strong possibility they never intended to reside and establish their 3-year connection to be able to benefit from the ruling now, and any complaint now would solely be based on ignorance of the previous laws when the opportunities were there. To be fair, I did say "mostly, if not all" rather than 'only'.
I think this approach is a bit narrow minded. Many of the 'Lost Canadians' were under the assumption that they had citizenship by virtue of having a parent born in Canada. The 1947 Act featured antiquated laws regarding domicile requirements, registering births in extremely limited time-frames, and laws which freely discriminated on the basis of a person's sex and marital status. The Canadian governmen essentially acknowledged the act's discriminatory practices by restoring citizenship to virtually every Canadian who lost it due to the former act's provisions.

To say someone shouldn't benefit from the new ruling because they didn't follow antiquated laws from the 1940's is quite contradictory. Many Canadians lost (or never had, to begin with) citizenship for years, only to have it restored with the 2009 or 2015 provisions. How could these people be expected to prove three years' residency when they had no legal status in Canada until the past decade? Or sponsor their child when they had no status themselves?

I agree in principe with the 3-year residency requirement, with the stipulation that it only be applicable for those born after 2009. I feel it's necessary for the Canadian government to recognize the citizenship of second generation born abroad children for families whose citizenship was restored in 2009/2015. These people should be able to claim citizenship by descent without any parental residency requirements. This is the only fair way for the Canadian government to correct its past legislative wrong-doings, as the timeframe between their citizenship restoration and the residency requirement is too short to realistically be justified.
 
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