RQ and days?

[orodeshah]

I got RQ after test, it seems many got it due to lack of enough days in Canada, as i had calculated and as their online calculator showed i had enough days in Canada, i am in huge doubt over it , any idea?

 

[Politren]

I got RQ after test, it seems many got it due to lack of enough days in Canada, as i had calculated and as their online calculator showed i had enough days in Canada, i am in huge doubt over it , any idea?

Hi

Do you have any of the following which applies to you.?

1.Any visits in USA
2.Any visa valid or expired to USA
3.Stamps in your passport which are not in English or French
4.Gaps in your travel documents or currently expired last passport.

 

[nope]

What exactly are you in doubt about? Was your calculation difficult, your travel history complex,or your number of extra days very low? Personally, I would refigure it, carefully, without looking at your original calculations. If you come out as having fewer than 1095, then it would probably be fastest to withdraw this application and reapply.

 

[dpenabill]

I got RQ after test, it seems many got it due to lack of enough days in Canada, as i had calculated and as their online calculator showed i had enough days in Canada, i am in huge doubt over it , any idea?

You have already posed related queries in four other topics. Many of the responses in those topics are relevant to this particular query.

Moreover, there are numerous other topics in this forum which address issues related to what RQ is, why RQ is issued, who gets RQ'd, what RQ entails, and so on. There is actually quite a lot of information about RQ itself, including the procedure as well as specific RQ related issues.

The other topics you have started regarding your RQ include:


I got a full RQ after TEST

The sad comic thing is that they pretend they do not have our exit dates, but I do not believe them . . .

Note: IRCC (formerly CIC) does not pretend to not have individual exit dates. The law requires those applying for citizenship to prove residency. IRCC has access to various sources of data against which it can compare the information submitted by the applicant. Some is readily accessible to IRCC, like the ICES data which will reflect most (and for many all) dates of entry into Canada. Beyond that, there are additional data sources which could, possibly be accessed in some cases, which can reflect a wide range of other information. To be clear, Canada is a democratic nation governed by the rule of law, and thus it is not monolithic. Information maintained by one department of government is not necessarily accessible to other departments.


Medical history as prrof of residency?

Does anybody have any information how I can get my medical history in Canada and send it as a proof of residency?

There was sufficient response in that topic to answer that query, but the underlying issue and its relevance to RQ, or more to the point a Residency Case, is also readily apparent: this refers to proof of specific dates of activity, thus dates of presence, and overall can contribute to showing a life lived in Canada.


recent RQ timelines?

I got worst type of RQ, (post test full RQ), in the past it used to mean2 years delay and eventually judge !!! What about now? Is it changed ? Maybe it is better I withdraw my application?

Many in the forums refer to the CIT 0520 as a form of RQ-lite. Without getting sidetracked in nuances, there really is only one RQ. In the meantime, though, yes, you are right to observe that a post-test RQ is the worst sort of RQ. The RQ is not different than a pre-test RQ, but what caused it to be issued and what it indicates is at stake, is different.

These days the reports indicate that the CIT 0520 is the preferred route taken by IRCC to make further inquiry into and verify residency. Your RQ suggests that the officer responsible for assessing your application has significant concerns, more or less substantial reasons to question your residency.

As I have posted already in response to your query about responding to RQ, you know your facts and circumstances, you have (or at least should have) a good idea whether or not, and to what extent, there is a problem proving residency.


recent RQ timelines?

As I have mentioned I got RQ after test, I am sure about dates and number of days because I had only 3 journeys
=> I have prepared following documents but I am in shock and doubt, are these enough ?
I was unemployed ( I have studied something that needs long time and exams for license to work in Canada) so I do not have any employment record, these documents can prove I was in Canada but can they also satisfy officer ?

I responded in some depth in the latter topic. See:

If there is a reason-to-question-residency that changes the dynamic considerably, requiring the applicant to submit additional information and documentation to support the applicant's declarations, which practically means documentation sufficient to, essentially, verify enough of the key elements to dissipate or resolve any questions or concerns.
. . .

Some Particular Observations About Having a Residency Case:

yes, they sent it to me one month after interview
I suppose they send RQ with any small problem

While "small problem" is not really the accurate description, for a long while relatively minor, more or less technical factors, were triggering the issuance of pre-test RQ. We are seeing rather few reports of pre-test RQ these days. It appears that CIC/IRCC has refined the criteria for issuing pre-test RQ and is not issuing it so frequently these days. However, the decline in reports of pre-test RQ may be more about the impact the change in law has had, and particularly that since June the number of new applications being filed is probably very small, so the number of new RQs will be small.

In contrast, however, since 2012 the issuance of a post-test RQ, so far as reports indicate, has been more or less based on a specific issue or concern, more or less indicating there is a particular suspicion, a particular reason to question residency. If anything, this has become even more so in the last year and a half given the utilization of the alternative request for particular documents, the CIT 0520.

There are not enough reports to conclusively say that a post-test RQ now means that IRCC has specific suspicions regarding the applicant, but it seems quite likely this is the case.

In other words, the situation is likely the opposite of a "small problem," but rather that there is likely an overt suspicion.

If you really do not know why, it would be prudent for you to do a brutally objective self-assessment to attempt to identify what concerns there are lurking in your case, what might be reasons to question your residency.



The Particular Query Here: What is the issue given 1095+ days calculated?

There are two types of residency cases for applications made prior to June 2015.

One is the shortfall case, in which the applicant met the basic residency requirement but whose residency calculation totalled less than 1095 days actually physically present.

Yours appears to be the other sort, the case in which the applicant's travel declarations result in a calculation of more than 1095 days actually-physically-present (APP), and CIC or IRCC questions this.

Not all RQ'd applicants have gone through the process of a full blown residency case, and it is not clear that a post-test RQ necessarily results in a full blown residency case.

If it is, however, a full blown residency case, that means CIC or IRCC has an overt suspicion that the applicant was NOT present in Canada some of the days the applicant declared himself or herself to be present.

In other words, say your residency calculation indicates 1179 days APP. It appears the officer responsible for assessing your application does NOT believe this is true, or accurate, or complete.


It could be simply that you have been unemployed so long.

This essentially goes to my other response:

If there is a reason-to-question-residency that changes the dynamic considerably, requiring the applicant to submit additional information and documentation to support the applicant's declarations . . .

. . . and the need, in particular, to show ". . . general activity in Canada over [the relevant] periods of time (best is employment working at a location in Canada for a readily identifiable Canadian employer; school attendance, actual physical attendance at a facility/institution in Canada; recognized volunteer work at specific location in Canada; and so on); this needs to cover all dates reported to have been in Canada and any gaps in this needs to be made up by other evidence (this is perhaps one of your main challenges) . . . "

Or it could be that there is some source of information IRCC has which leads the officer to suspect a failure to disclose additional time abroad.


In any event: you need to make up for the lack of direct proof of activity by submitting relevant, competent, and persuasive evidence of your life being lived in Canada.

The burden of proof is on you. IRCC will look to its other sources more for the purpose of verifying your information, including dates of travel; this in effect really means looking for information which contradicts your information. IRCC will not go looking for evidence to support your case. You must submit sufficient evidence to prove your case.

Again, I would strongly urge engaging in a brutally objective self-assessment in order to identify the weaknesses in your case. The big one is the obvious one, the lack of employment, thus the absence of proof of you engaging in day-to-day activity in Canada.

 

[Politren]

My observations recently are that the unemployment is NOT considered a red flag like before.

The red flags recently are these

1.Any visits in USA
2.Any visa valid or expired to USA
3.Stamps in your passport which are not in English or French
4.Gaps in your travel documents or currently expired last passport.

Another very cruel red flag is if there is discrepancies between the Official CBSA records against those declared by the applicant.
These discrepancies usually happens when a person is traveling to USA by land.

I can confirm that CBSA knows accurately the entries and the Exits BUT Only if they are done by flight.


So if the OP has any of the above points applicable to him it is not a surprise to end up RQed.

I know two occasions with my friends from November both of them Unemployed for a long time, but only one gotten RQ due to the fact of passports stamps not in English or French.
The other one is waiting for his Oath after a DM two days after his test, but in his case he doesn't have any visits or visas to US and his stamps are in English.

 

[Canadiandesi2006]

I got RQ after test, it seems many got it due to lack of enough days in Canada, as i had calculated and as their online calculator showed i had enough days in Canada, i am in huge doubt over it , any idea?

Did you request ATIP report in the past. It will show the exact number physical days of presence in Canada (Per CIC's calculation).

If it shows you indeed have the required number of minimum days physical days in country. Then the issue could be some minor ambiguity about your overseas trips and CIC need clarification.

In any case, its good idea to request ATIP to get a better idea why you got the RQ.

 

[asaif]

Just give them what they want and be patient. Even if you feel that you were unfairly targeted with this RQ, you have no other choice but to follow their instructions. The COs have the upper-hand and can do whatever they want, while you, as a PR, have little, if any, rights during the naturalization process. Hopefully, once you become a Canadian, you will have a say in how thinks work. Good luck.

 

[orodeshah]

To dpenabill:
At first I appreciate your kindness to write such detailed responses

1) You mentioned:
I wrote 4 topics on a related issue that has already been mentioned in other topics, well, I am sorry, I did not know it is so offending, I will do my best to find related topics and ask questions there

2) About “IRCC knowledge of our Exit dates”
- I am happy you somehow accepted such information are collected and available. It is completely normal and even necessary that any government check who leaves the country.
But that is the question:
- Is not it easier if they give an option to applicants and ask applicant to let them get all information from all possible resources to check validity of residency claim?
- Is not it better than people wait 2 years for their cases? Is not it better than people printing their body building club membership card as a proof of residency?

3) I used CIC day calculator again,
-it seems I have 1095 days

4) You wrote:

“ - Your RQ suggests that the officer responsible for assessing your application has significant concerns, more or less substantial reasons to question your residency.,
- You know your facts and circumstances, you have (or at least should have) a good idea whether or not, and to what extent, there is a problem proving residency.
- It could be simply that you have been unemployed so long.
- Again, I would strongly urge engaging in a brutally objective self-assessment in order to identify the weaknesses in your case. The big one is the obvious one, the lack of employment, thus the absence of proof of you engaging in day-to-day activity in Canada”

5) Story:
As my case is very simple and since you seem knowledgeable in this issue, I simply write my story:
- I came to Canada as permanent resident, to get work permit here I needed to go a very long way, so I rented a home, took sample questions and began to study at home toget ready for many exams.
- in all this period I went back home only 3 times, once for surgery (25days), once for disease of a parent (30 days), and once for working for 6 month to collect some money, in interview officer overtly said “oh you had a absence for more than 6 month” and “Oh you still have work permit in your own country (she somehow implied I still work in my country of origin”
- I had medical problems few times so visited doctors few times
- I took some courses for “exam preparation”, but these seasonal institutes are not accepted officially and also they do not give you any certificate

So my story is so simple, now that I faced IRCC, how can I prove I was here? I did not lie, I did not do anything illegal, so there should be a way I prove I am saying the truth, system should be designed to cover such cases.

You saw my other post, I have bank account, home lease, some receipts, tickets, receipt of paying rent, 6 times medical cases , some interviews with professors for positions, driving exam dates, I passed 2 exams and it proves I was here in such dates… Fortunately officer was completely informed of my condition, she even knew which exams I should pass and asked why I have not finished them …
I think she thought I am still working in my home country (she asked why I still have work permit in my own home country, why I was there for more than 6 months), after checking my passport since it showed I was really in Canada, she asked me maybe I have passport of another nationality too ? (I have heard officer are suspicious of dual nationalities since stamps can be hidden in other passport) which I do not have.
Anyway I respect officers, I know they should check and I am ok with it, I am just frustrated that I am telling the truth but how I can not easily prove it. I was simply going my own normal way, studying at library and home and passing exams, why should not I be able to prove my claim? What can I do for it ?

 

[orodeshah]

Just give them what they want and be patient. Even if you feel that you were unfairly targeted with this RQ, you have no other choice but to follow their instructions. The COs have the upper-hand and can do whatever they want, while you, as a PR, have little, if any, rights during the naturalization process. Hopefully, once you become a Canadian, you will have a say in how thinks work. Good luck.

I completely agree with you.... thanks

 

[orodeshah]

Did you request ATIP report in the past. It will show the exact number physical days of presence in Canada (Per CIC's calculation).

If it shows you indeed have the required number of minimum days physical days in country. Then the issue could be some minor ambiguity about your overseas trips and CIC need clarification.

In any case, its good idea to request ATIP to get a better idea why you got the RQ.

I got RQ last week, soon I will apply for ATIP, Thanks

 

[Politren]

Hi orodeshah

Do you have any point of these applicable to your case?

1.Any visits in USA
2.Any visa valid or expired to USA
3.Stamps in your passport which are not in English or French
4.Gaps in your travel documents or currently expired last passport.


5.Another very cruel red flag is if there is discrepancies between the Official CBSA records against those declared by the applicant.
These discrepancies usually happens when a person is traveling to USA by land.

Do you have any from 1to 5.?

 

[orodeshah]

Hi orodeshah

Do you have any point of these applicable to your case?

1.Any visits in USA
2.Any visa valid or expired to USA
3.Stamps in your passport which are not in English or French
4.Gaps in your travel documents or currently expired last passport.


5.Another very cruel red flag is if there is discrepancies between the Official CBSA records against those declared by the applicant.
These discrepancies usually happens when a person is traveling to USA by land.

Do you have any from 1to 5.?

No, I never went to USA

 

[Politren]

No, I never went to USA

Any stamps not in English or French?

 

[orodeshah]

Any stamps not in English or French?

I had such non English non French stamps , but in Interview I gave them official translation of such stamps

 

[Politren]

I gave them official translation and certified copy of all passport stamps

Yes orodeshah

Just found that you have stamps which are not in English or French. So point number 3. is the one applicable in your case.

Hi

Do you have any of the following which applies to you.?

1.Any visits in USA
2.Any visa valid or expired to USA
3.Stamps in your passport which are not in English or French
4.Gaps in your travel documents or currently expired last passport.

My recent observations are the same, if someone found himself in one of the above scenarios it's very likely to end up with request for more documentation.
You are not the only one in that situation.