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dpenabill

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NOTE: the OP's query is about RQ, which is a very serious non-routine process, NOT a mere post-interview CBSA Travel History check. Generally it is appreciated if the forum has a chance, at least a day or three, to provide relevant responses to the OP before the thread is taken off topic.


hi!i passed the test on August 15,2017.During interview the officer gave me RQ(the problem was with My residency calculator,where 2 absences were dated wrong,as Jamaica and Cuba didn't stamp my passport and I put approximate dates).I sent hotel reservations and flight confirmations on the next day.Now I'm so nervous to think that processing RQ will take months and up to one year .Please,share your experience and information if u have any.Thanks!

Need information about RQ processing these days.

but I submitted this information already. Its not the problem.
While the observations by parisien are probably well-intended, they do not appear to be relevant. There is a big difference between a post-interview check of CBSA travel history and being issued RQ. (It should be noted, however, that if for any reason the the CBSA travel history check does not verify dates to IRCC's satisfaction, the applicant may still be issued CIT 0171, which is the full blown RQ, or CIT 0520, oft referred to as RQ-lite.)

It matters too whether what you were issued is the full blown RQ, which is the CIT 0171 form (subject to some slight variations, such as an English only version). Or whether it was RQ-lite, which is CIT 0520. (If your form is different from these, please let us know.)

There have been more than a few anecdotal reports from applicants whose processing was NOT delayed by much when they promptly and properly responded to a CIT 0520, their response clearly satisfying some particular concern. See more below regarding CIT 0171 RQ versus CIT 0520 RQ-lite.


We do NOT know the processing timeline for RQ'd cases these days:

The processing timeline, these days, for RQ'd cases (full-blown RQ, the CIT 0171) is unknown. It is probably a lot faster than it was a few years ago, when it often dragged beyond two years (from the date the application was initially made) and in more than a few cases could drag beyond three or even four years.

It probably does add at least several months.

So sure, your worry that it could mean six months to a year longer is a valid concern.

BUT it could go more quickly than that. And it is not likely it will take much longer than that.



What can you do to accelerate the timeline?

There is little or nothing you can do to make the process go faster. There are things you can do to minimize additional delays, to minimize how much longer it could take beyond how quickly IRCC is ordinarily processing RQ'd applicants.

First, send a complete, accurate, and responsive submission to the RQ as soon as practically feasible.

Do not take short cuts to rush it, however, since the more important thing is to be complete and accurate, to be responsive, to adequately provide the information requested and the supporting documents which will make your case.


The RQ form itself is your primary guide in determining what to submit.

As always: read and follow the instructions in the form(s) you received.

In the meantime, times and circumstances have changed. Thus, for example, older discussions about RQ need some updating. A lot of my older observations and commentary about responding to RQ are not necessarily valid today, for example, and especially so those in another forum where I often addressed the residency case in great depth over the course of many years, when different laws and different qualifying conditions applied. For a more specific example, in older posts I cautioned against submitting a document-bomb and rather adamantly suggested that often less-was-more. That was during a time period when the number of applicants getting RQ sometimes soared to more than one-in-four and was predominantly pre-test RQ.

For an applicant getting a post-interview RQ (which includes being handed the RQ at the interview) these days, however, submitting more evidence rather than less is probably the safer approach.

On the other hand, however, the core of what is involved in RQ, and how it works in general, has largely remained the same for many years. So in many respects the older discussions are still relevant and in more than a few respects provide valuable information. Some of the details have changed, but the gist of it has not. RQ is still about evidence that proves --
-- travel dates
-- residency, including especially a place of residence for each and every relevant month, corroborated by other evidence of residential ties
-- activity in Canada, the more the better, including evidence of actual activity corroborated by the specific date and location (steady work history is best, and filling in gaps with other activities, as much as possible)

That is, the key to navigating the RQ'd case is still rooted in diligently providing the information requested and submitting supporting documents, focusing foremost on providing objective documents which show where you were living, when, and what activities you engaged in, in Canada, including where and when, work history looming most importantly, documenting other activity to bolster the case or fill in work history gaps.



What is the issue?

There is a lingering myth that the reason for RQ is the key issue.

Once RQ is issued, however, all the aspects of proving presence in Canada for the minimum time period are in issue, at stake.

Thus, for example, a response to an ATIP request is not likely to offer any information which will help . . . and you would not get the response in time for making your RQ submission anyway.

If the reason RQ was issued was a discrepancy in travel dates in the summer of 2014, for example, it is nonetheless crucial that the applicant provide documentation to show his or her occupant's interest in a dwelling place for each and every month, for all the time period the applicant declared living in Canada. Likewise work history (or alternative activity), for each and every month the applicant declared being in Canada. Thus, even if it was only some question about dates in 2014 that triggered the RQ, all the other years need to be as fully documented as practical.



CIT 0171 RQ versus CIT 0520 RQ-lite:

For the applicant issued RQ-lite, CIT 0520, the reason why is the key. This form is typically used when IRCC perceives a concern or issue which could be resolved by this or that particular document or documents. When the applicant submits a response which addresses and resolves that concern, that usually suffices.

But as already noted, the applicant issued the full-blown RQ is, in effect, made to affirmatively prove physical presence for the full period of time (currently for the full 1460 days). A submission which resolves the concern or reason for which RQ was issued will not suffice unless the submission otherwise proves the applicant's presence.

Caution: while proof of travel dates is important, it is no where near sufficient. After all, a big part of the RQ'd case is documenting presence in-between last entry and next exit.



Processing after the applicant submits a response to the RQ:

To some extent the reason why RQ was issued may have some influence in how this goes.

What matters, to a significant extent, is the level of concern or doubt the IRCC citizenship official has. If, for example, a processing agent perceives a discrepancy in the application was deliberate, ouch, big time OUCH. And in general, if what triggered RQ involved serious questions about the applicant's credibility, that means IRCC is likely to screen what the applicant submits closely, extensively, and perhaps conduct inquiries, perhaps even make referrals for investigations, in processing the RQ'd application.

If, in contrast, what triggered RQ does not necessarily suggest reason to consider the applicant's credibility as severely compromised, and the applicant submits a thorough, complete, and apparently accurate response which tends to verify the applicant's case but for a mistake or three, there is a good chance the Citizenship Officer will review the RQ and grant citizenship within a relatively prompt timeline.

Next step in particular:

The RQ and application is reviewed, and if the Citizenship Officer is satisfied, the oath is scheduled. Only notice to applicant will be the notice of when the oath is scheduled, except that Decision Made may show up in eCas.

If after review the Citizenship Officer is NOT satisfied, there are various possible next steps, including another interview (a residence interview), or a hearing with the Citizenship Officer, or a referral of the case to a Citizenship Judge. While IRCC information discusses the possible residence interview or a hearing, with a Citizenship Officer, there have been minimal reports about this process, suggesting this is not common. Reports suggest that most times a Citizenship Officer is not satisfied, after reviewing the RQ, the case is then referred to a Citizenship Judge.

Obviously, the applicant's best approach is to fully make his or her case in responding to the RQ, and then hope that satisfies IRCC so that the next event is being scheduled for the oath.

If many months go by after submitting the RQ response, then it may be time to make a carefully and craftily composed customized ATIP request. That's a big topic in itself.
 
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First, send a complete, accurate, and responsive submission to the RQ as soon as practically feasible.

Do not take short cuts to rush it, however, since the more important thing is to be complete and accurate, to be responsive, to adequately provide the information requested and the supporting documents which will make your case.










Thus, for example, a response to an ATIP request is not likely to offer any information which will help . . . and you would not get the response in time for making your RQ submission anyway.
Do not mind me but this is what I extracted relevant from this lengthy , off the topic post.

1) First, send a complete, accurate, and responsive submission to the RQ as soon as practically feasible.

2) Do not take short cuts to rush it, however, since the more important thing is to be complete and accurate, to be responsive, to adequately provide the information requested and the supporting documents which will make your case.

3) Thus, for example, a response to an ATIP request is not likely to offer any information which will help . . . and you would not get the response in time for making your RQ submission anyway.


For your info ATIP notes does help and it tells many useful things. There is no harm in ordering and its free of cost. He still has the time to get it and it takes 30 days only.

You are advising others to stay relevant while you talk so much irrelevant and futile stuff. Stick to the point and avoid prolonged explanations which are unlikely to help.

Your ratings won't be improved with these lengthy responses.
 

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hi!i passed the test on August 15,2017.During interview the officer gave me RQ(the problem was with My residency calculator,where 2 absences were dated wrong,as Jamaica and Cuba didn't stamp my passport and I put approximate dates).I sent hotel reservations and flight confirmations on the next day.Now I'm so nervous to think that processing RQ will take months and up to one year .Please,share your experience and information if u have any.Thanks!
What form did they give you ?
CIT0171 - Residency Questionnaire
OR
CIT0520 - Request for Supplemental Information
 
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Guys,I really don't remember!she gave me the copy and I filled it in by hand
RQ - Residency Questionnaire is different from Residency Calculator
When they give you a RQ, the form will have a number on top and you will have about 30 days to reply to the RQ
Looks like you had situation different than the RQ
 

Lyskov

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RQ - Residency Questionnaire is different from Residency Calculator
When they give you a RQ, the form will have a number on top and you will have about 30 days to reply to the RQ
Looks like you had situation different than the RQ
It was RQ.Just looked at the form online.
 

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It was RQ.Just looked at the form online.
And you filled and submitted it on the spot at time of test ?
Its a unique situation, as RQ generally requires you to submit additional documentation
 

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And you filled and submitted it on the spot at time of test ?
Its a unique situation, as RQ generally requires you to submit additional documentation
I filled it in at home and sent it out next day with copies of my passport and hotel confirmations and air tickets.Just thinking,why I got this doc after my test,not before?
 

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I filled it in at home and sent it out next day with copies of my passport and hotel confirmations and air tickets.Just thinking,why I got this doc after my test,not before?
The RQ, CIT etc are generally issued after the test
If the CO is not convinced on residency requirements, they will ask for more documentation
One thing I am curious about, did you not make a copy of the RQ form before you sent it out?
 

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I filled it in at home and sent it out next day with copies of my passport and hotel confirmations and air tickets.Just thinking,why I got this doc after my test,not before?
RQ issued at or following the test/interview is serious.

It is not unique. These days we are not seeing a lot of reports about RQ but enough to recognize it is still a common part of the process if and when IRCC perceives a reason to question the applicant's presence in Canada.

That is what RQ is about: getting RQ means that IRCC has identified a reason to question your presence in Canada.

In other words, IRCC has DOUBTS about your case. And the RQ is your opportunity to prove you really were present in Canada the days you declared you were in Canada.

I do not want to be too alarming, but RQ usually (not necessarily, not always, but usually) warrants a far more diligent effort than what you describe having done . . . and, at the least, sending in documents (evidence) which show your interest (renter, owner, guest of family or friend) in the places you lived, and documents to prove what your employment was or what you were otherwise doing (school maybe?) in Canada the four to six years that count.

But of course the underlying facts of your case matter. The degree of doubt or suspicion the IRCC official had about your case matters.

If the suspicions are minor, minimal, your response may suffice. You know your case (as well as anyone in the world), so you should have a fair idea about how strong it is, what its weaknesses might be, whether you have reason to be confident or not.

There are way too many factors to guess what matters in your case in particular. Just your age, 19 or 29 or whatever, can make a big difference . . . not directly in terms of positive or negative, but more in terms of whether the particular facts and circumstances in your situation are consistent with living your life in Canada. And there are many, many other such details, ranging from whether you have family in Canada to what ongoing ties abroad you have, from the details about your employment history to the nature and purpose for your absences from Canada.

But it is relatively easy to foresee your application for citizenship is at risk. How much risk is difficult to discern, as again that depends a lot on the strength of the underlying facts and the nature of IRCC's doubts. But the fact you were issued RQ suggests, in itself, that IRCC has significant and quite likely serious concerns . . . concerns not likely resolved by a hastily done and incomplete RQ submission.


What you do going forward:

What can you do? What should you do?

This is largely a personal judgment, your decision. If you are well-settled in Canada and have no pressing need for a Canadian passport, and a negative outcome is merely a delay, as long as you did not make any material misrepresentations in the application the worst case scenario is the application is denied and you apply again.

That is, you can, of course, just wait and see how it goes. If scheduled for the oath, celebrate. If scheduled for a Citizenship Judge hearing, prepare to go to make your case as best you can.

If you re-assess your case and realize you fell short of meeting the minimum number of days, you can withdraw the application and then apply again.

If you are confident, based on a self-assessment of your case, that you met the requirements and that what you have submitted should be sufficient to show that, that you are qualified, again you can wait to see how things go and --
-- if a Citizenship Officer agrees, is satisfied with the application, you will be scheduled for the oath, or
-- if the Citizenship Officer is not satisfied, you will likely be scheduled for a hearing with a Citizenship Judge (there are multiple possibilities, as I referenced in my earlier post, but this is the more likely one)



If you hope this application will succeed: If you are less than confident about the strength of your case and it is important for you to do what you can to make this application succeed, you will want to consider sending in a supplemental response which includes, at a minimum, sending --
-- documentation showing your interest in (your right to occupy) the place(s) you lived, which can be copies of rental leases (together with proof of rent payments) or documents showing property ownership, or letters from persons with whom you lived; your documents should cover all the months you lived in Canada in the relevant time period, all months or as nearly all as possible . . . you can, and probably should, also include utility bills in your name
-- documentation proving your employment, again for all months you were employed in Canada, including copies of relevant tax documents (Notices of Assessment and T-4s), and paystubs or such
-- documentation proving your other activities in Canada, ranging from the provincial health records showing doctor visits to a dentist's records showing dates of dental services; records or letters from any other professionals you obtained services from; testimonial letters from religious leaders or clergy attesting to your participation; documents showing involvement in any other community activities . . . this documentation is not crucial for months you have submitted proof of employment, but for months you have not documented employment, the more evidence of this sort the better
-- bank and credit card documentation which shows a paper trail of a life lived in Canada


You may want to consult or obtain representation from a reputable, licensed immigration and citizenship lawyer.


Keep copies. Keep a copy of everything you send IRCC.


Just thinking,why I got this doc after my test,not before?
Why RQ after the test, not before?

Pre-test RQ was rare until 2012, when under the Harper government a rather draconian program intended to more thoroughly screen citizenship applicants was implemented which employed strict triage criteria to identify those applicants to be issued RQ upfront, before the application was even sent to a local office for processing. We do not know whether this triage screening is still being done in Sydney let alone what precise criteria is employed, let alone how strictly the criteria is employed.

In contrast, before that, and now again in the last couple years or so, almost all reports of RQ involve the issuance of RQ at or following the test and interview.

In any event, at or following the interview appears to be the more common and perhaps usual way in which RQ is being issued these days.


Difference between getting RQ at the interview versus getting it later:

It is a bit dangerous to attempt reading too much into the difference between being handed RQ at the interview, versus being sent RQ after the interview. In either case, IRCC has identified a reason to question the applicant's presence in Canada, and the applicant then needs to submit evidence to prove his or her presence in Canada.

But if the RQ is mailed later, after the test and interview, that usually means something came up during the interview which triggered concerns or suspicions.

If the RQ is issued to the applicant at the interview, that often means the processing agent preparing for the interview identified concerns or questions on the face of application, and then the applicant's responses during the interview were not sufficient to resolve those concerns or questions.

Again, once RQ is issued, the reason why it was issued does not matter so much as the fact that the applicant must then submit proof covering the full time the applicant claims to have been in Canada.

Ultimately, overall, getting RQ means IRCC is not satisfied the applicant is qualified for a grant of citizenship, and responding to the RQ is actually giving the applicant an opportunity to make his or her case.

While it is a bit of an oversimplification, getting RQ basically comes down to this: the information submitted in the application failed to meet the applicant's burden of proving he or she is qualified for citizenship, so the application is likely to be denied, except the applicant is given the opportunity to persuade IRCC otherwise by submitting proof he or she meets the requirements, the presence requirements in particular. The burden is completely on you to prove your case.
 

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A further observation and question:

Are you sure you were issued RQ? Rather than, say, a request for certain information and particular documents.

As I previously said, I do not want to be overly alarming. If you were given residency or presence related requests, but not the full-blown RQ, there would be a lot less reason to worry.

That is, if you received the CIT 0171, the full-blown RQ form, it is rather obviously a very serious procedure, and rather obviously requires sending in far more than copies of travel-related documents. And it would ordinarily be difficult to complete this and send it off in just a day . . . the full-blown RQ requires, for example, that the applicant again do a complete accounting of all travel abroad, virtually another presence calculation. It specifically instructs the applicant to send in documents like rental receipts and such.

In contrast, and this appears to be a lot more common than full-blown RQ these days, more than a few applicants are reporting requests for a few particular documents from interviewers. This should be taken seriously but it is not anywhere near as serious as RQ . . . and the implications are not anywhere near as negative as getting RQ.

There are various copies of a CIT 0171 form available on the Internet . . . look at one and see if that is like what you were given and submitted.
 

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Hi, I landed on July 13, 2013, started working right away after 2 weeks of landing and worked until Nov 2013. Then I was unemployed from Dec 2013 to March 2014, searching for job. and after that since May 2014 I have been working full time.

I sent my application yesterday. But I am getting very scared because people have been telling me that any period of unemployment within 4 years will definitely lead to RQ and I was unemployed for 4 months. But I don't understand this because as a new immigrant there are times of unemployment where you do some odd jobs and then leave that job and look for another one.

Would appreciate your views on this.
 

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Are you sure you were issued RQ? Rather than, say, a request for certain information and particular documents.
So I had 2 vacations long time ago(Jamaica,Cuba).As I didn't have stamps in my passport,I forgot exact dates and filled in approximate dates in my calculator.when the officer was talking to me she said there were 2 absences that did not match the dates they received from border control canada.She told me that she sees when I was back,but the time I left is not clear(as Canada doesn't stamp when u leave).She said I needed to prove the dates I was away for these 2 trips and gave me RQ to fill in.So next day I printed out all the reservations for these 2 trips and sent with RQ.I also attached the letter of explanation on that.So I dunno now:(
 
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Hi, I landed on July 13, 2013, started working right away after 2 weeks of landing and worked until Nov 2013. Then I was unemployed from Dec 2013 to March 2014, searching for job. and after that since May 2014 I have been working full time.

I sent my application yesterday. But I am getting very scared because people have been telling me that any period of unemployment within 4 years will definitely lead to RQ and I was unemployed for 4 months. But I don't understand this because as a new immigrant there are times of unemployment where you do some odd jobs and then leave that job and look for another one.

Would appreciate your views on this.
No need to worry about that. Many people remain unemployed for long times. I know people who even filed applications with zero taxes got their Citizenships. Sit back and relax nothing will happen to you. Just be truthful