Roxham road people
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Have you looked at the social assistance payments for single parents that aren‘t PRs? Many still struggle to find affordable accommodation, are dependent on charities to try and get basic furnishings for a household (due to the large influx of refugees there may not be a lot of stock available), have to access the food back because they don’t have enough funds to get enough food for the month, walk places because public transportation is too expensive, etc. Welfare payments are better than for single adults but it is still extremely difficult to live ofg of welfqr3 especially if you are starting from scratch and especially in most larger cities where the cost of living is very high. The fact that she has lived in the US for a long time and has a US child does create some pretty big obstacles. First of all the child can’t be included in the asylum application so that could mean no access to schooling or healthcare. In terms of temporary accommodation, asylum seekers are considered like homeless people. In many cities it is not a good environment. Finding affordable housing can also be a huge obstacle. It is really important that this family consult a Canadian immigration lawyer about the challenges of their asylum claim before considering coming to Canada through Roxham road. The mother will still face a ban from returning to the US. Having a US child doesn’t necessarily make it easier for her to return to the US. There is also no guarantee that her elligibility interview will be moved up and done faster. You are painting a much rosier picture than the current reality. Would suggest people look at the actual welfare payments and then look up cost of rentals, cost of food, cost of public housing, cost of medication if your child takes medication but doesn’t qualify for healthcare, look up whether your child will be able to attend school, look up the cost of childcare and whether it is easy to access childcare because th3 only way to have a decent quality of life is to work, etc. Things like chid benefit payments aren’t accessible to asylum claimants.
Pls relax. Yours is too much! My friend is on the social payment so I know what I'm saying. She will be paid enough for her and the kid. It is classified under basic need and she will be paid as unnecessary as transportation if she request. Stop discouraging people to have a better life just as you are. If the said lady is not living a life of Biden on America she will survive. Infact the shelter they will give her cos she has a child is much more better than those who are single. So relax and let other people have a way too without giving too much negativity. No one says it will be smooth but saying it is " impossible" is wrong!
Not sure how you think around $1100 is easy to live on in Ontario. In most places you can’t rent an apartment for that price. Many single mothers especially on welfare have to access things like the food bank and they receive child benefit payments which adds a significant amount monthly. Asylum claimants aren’t entitled to child benefit. There isn’t free guaranteed public transportation for people on welfare. There may be some programs available in some cities but it is certainly guaranteed across Canada. Yes temporary shelter you receive as a homeless single mother is better than a homeless single person but it is still not something wonderful. If someone has lived in the US for the last decade they likely have their own apartment, with a kitchen, their own linens, their own bathroom, etc. We have no idea what their current life is like in the US so there is no guarantee that their life would be better in Canada especially if depending on welfare.
If she is planning to cross over to canada she definitely knows it's not going to be a life of roses already. My point is your message seems to aim towards discouraging her from finding a better life. If her life in usa isn't worth staying there anymore there is definitely no harm in trying so there's no need discouraging her. You made it sound like the government here in canada are blood sucking demons. All I'm sure of is if she Is ready she will not suffer. I lived in usa so I'm not sure where you heard she can't return back. A rookie lawyer will even tell her she is opportune with that citizen child she has. Like for real; there is no way usa plays with their citizen and that's why if that child turns 18, he or she can return and file for his mother. That is how Mexicans in USA become legal later in future. Everyone here is here to survive including you. If everyone reads your message you'll be the only one in canada. If this person wants to come to canada she will definitely survive. My friends with kids stayed in the shelter till they got their work permit here in ontario. I dont know about other province but i know here in ontario mothers stay in shelter till wp arrives. I am ABSOLUTELY sure canada govt doesn't send anyone with their kids outside to die if there's no means to survive. I've never seen that and with all the people that crossed to canada too they were never left to die on the street. Common, canada is not like Uk! Like I said relax and let everyone survive without discouragement. The only thing that i think might be a problem is how she claims to lesbian and has a child. If she has no proof of rape then she better rethink her story. Thanks
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Thank you @Mercy011 .She said she is worrying more about the school.Canuck78 has said because the child is american,he will not be allowed to go to an elementary school for free.In New york everybody ,even a canadian can go to elementary school for free ...By the way in the US so many lesbians have kids ,I personally know a woman with 4 kids .Some are 100% lesbians and make "arrangements" to have kids because they want to be mothers .Some of them are bisexuals.It is like many gay men ,they are maried just as a cover but they have their desired love life with another man aside...Please do you have any info about the school matter for Americans kids of asylum seekers ?
That's not true. The child will go to school definitely. All I shared is not based on speculation. I arrived through USA with my friends. I was the only single lady and to be honest you'll ask yourself Why you never got a child in life. Cos the benefits they gave those I see with kids was way more than I. My mates with kids stayed at hotel paid by govt till they found a suitable shelter for them. Now, would it be easy for her and the child, no. Shelter is not comfortability. So she should be prepared there will be some crying at night she will do. But about school, That child will definitely go to school. If she arrived at quebec they will even arrange the child to start learning French. Most of us left quebec cos of language that's not easy to comprehend. Your child will not be left uneducated here in canada. I honestly don't understand why you will be told a child won't go to school cos he is american citizen. It's best you talk with people who you know will give you honest information. I spent a lot of time wasting in USA cos of lack of honest info from people. Advise your friend to not keep wasting her life. She has two options. One is to stay in usa till that child files for her or second come here and try her luck. Regardless she will still have a life in future cos of that child she carries. She is blessed to have a US citizen child so don't let anyone make her feel like she's bringing a baggage to canada. Like I said her child will go to school here if that's her worry. If she can prove she's lesbian,, then she should better get a good lawyer to help her gather her proofs. About your point of how lesbians are, You know the way a canadian or USA citizen will be treated is different than us struggling. If a usa citizen says she's lesbian and has 5 kids no one has the right to query her unless they want to go to jail. But as immigrants, your question of doubt starts at the border and will not end until you become a PR. So that's the difference if that makes sense to you. From the border she will meet officers that already don't believe her before they even ask her question. So that's why people warns that she has a definite proof. Tell her the two options she has and whatever she decides to choose is best she prepares well. If she needs to talk she can reach me. I'll try my best to give her all the information she needs. Life is not easy for any immigrant so it's all about defining survival and going for your definition.
Access to schooling for visitors is dependent on the school board. Some are sanctuary cities others are not. US citizens are not going to qualify for asylum. Most children of asylum seekers are not US citizens which is why they get access to schooling and healthcare through tout Canada. I have no idea what this has to do with lesbians or bisexuals.
Not all school boards provide free schooling to any child without status in Canada. That is just a fact. So yes it is dependent on where you live.
My friend has two us citzens and they go to school here. They are not classified as asylum seekers (a US citizen don't need to seek asylum in canada) but they are dependants since their mother is an assylum seeker. Again they have access to schooling here in canada. That, I am sure of!
OP never said that their life was awful in the US. Applying for asylum when you have established a life in the US is a huge risk because once she leaves the US she will be banned from returning for 10 years. I never said they can never return to the US. Very few parents of US citizens from Mexico actually get to sponsor their parents to get a green card and if they do it takes over a decade and if a child is currently young multiple decades. If deported she will be deported to her home country not the US. Proving your life is at risk after not being in your home country for over a decade is much harder than proving your life is at risk having recently left your home country. She will also have to argue why she Didn’t attempt to seek asylum in the US if her life was at risk when she left her home country. Yes shelter is provided for a family with a young child but if you have decent housing and a support system in the US I wouldn‘t chose to enter the shelter system. It is not a good environment. As the number of asylum applicants increases and housing prices increase there is more and more people needing shelters. Yes you may get lucky and get a room for you and your child to share but there are others who share a room with another family with bunkbeds, some end up sleeping in gyms with hundreds of other people,etc. For families they do try and move kids out of places like gyms as soon as possible but you may end up sharing kitchens, bathrooms, etc. even if you get a room of your own. Even when you get your WP with the cost of living and level of welfare payments the housing that is accessible is also often not in a safe neighbourhood or in good condition. All her welfare payment or almost all would go to housing in locations where there are services for asylum seekers in most provinces. Quebec actually is more affordable than provinces like ON or BC which is why many immigrants settle there at least initially. Does she have childcare in the US? Realistically single parents really need to work at least one full-time job but often 2 to provide for more than the basics if you are making minimum wage or close to minimum. All these things need to be considered. If you have lived in theUS for as long as she has and have a US child the child has access to certain benefits in the US and you have established a life and usually a support system in the US. If she gets denied asylum, has to appeal, applies for JR and then applies for H&C that could be 5 year process easily if not longer. It is really important that OP speak to a Canadian immigration lawyer about their chances of getting approved and also consider whether the chance of potentially being able to stay in Canada is worth the risk of leaving the US. It’s also important to ask about how their length of time in the US will factor into their case, what their US child will have access to in Canada since they will not qualify for asylum as a US citizen, how long a ban will they get after leaving the US (based on my knowledge it is 10 years and there aren’t any guarantees they will get approved for a visitor visa after that), how will the amount of time in the US factor into proving that their life will be at risk in their home country, etc. It sounds like you case is very different than OPs. You can’t group all single mothers into the same category.
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As I said it depends on the school board. There are some school boards and cities that are sanctuary cities but there are others that aren’t where you can’t access services as a US citizen/visitor or access elementary and high school. You are talking about one school board. Every school board has their own rules. There will also be variability when it comes to accessing basic healthcare. For example in some cities visitors can get access to vaccinations for free through public health but in many others you have to show your provincial health card. In some cities there are some charities that provide access to basic healthcare for free on a limited basis but in many cities there aren’t any charities running access to free healthcare without IFHP or a provincial health card.
If OP’s child has any health issues they are likely covered by Medicaid or other program in the US. That would not be the case in Canada.
Like I said her definition of "good life" will determine what she wants with her life. We are in no place to discourage the lady if she made up her mind already. Her child has a life already as a us citizen. Yes she will be banned for 10 years BUT her child has a right to file for her when he gets to the legal age. She will be categorized under immediate relative not family preference. I know what I'm saying when I say if she still wants to return to usa in future, her child can help with that. I'm just not in the party of discouraging people once they want to take a risk. If you take risk why can't her. She started taking risk the moment she left her country anyway. I don't put fear in people. If her story is strong enough with proofs, nothing stops her from trying her best. Living in shelter is not forever. It's only till her wp arrives. She is only worried about her child's education which i am saying canada doesnt watch a child to stay at home without eduation. This is not a third world country. Like I said let's respect the lady's decision and not discourage her when there's no guarantee she will fail. Just as you tried she too can try. Thanks
No,you misunderstood.Nobody said this has to do with lesbians ,Mercy said my cousin needs to rethink claiming asylum based on sexual orientation because she has a son,so I explained to Mercy that my cousin is worrying more about the permission to go to a canadian public school for free as a Us citizen/The lgbt community is full of gays ,lesbians,and bisexuals with biological children...