Returning PR - am I required PROOF OF FUNDS?

[david1697]

You are missing the point.

When you post your "advice" that someone who has stayed outside Canada too long is "inadmissible", but don't follow that up with some context or explanation that the person is still guaranteed admission to Canada, and that the "inadmissible" status you are claiming is only semantics or terminology based on your interpretation of a CIC rule and nothing more... you are only confusing people and probably causing many to believe they could be denied entry to Canada. So it's possibly harmful "advice" to even bring up in the first place.

Stating someone not meeting RO is "inadmissible" serves no practical purpose or helps answer anyone's questions. It is not useful or relevant info to anyone. You should instead simply explain what actually happens when people not meeting RO try to enter Canada.

As I said you know how to read but don't know how to apply the rules to reality or to explain them properly to people, leading to harmful or misleading "advice". This is evident in many of your posts.

What exactly, from what I have said, are you disputing?

 

[Rob_TO]

What exactly, from what I have said, are you disputing?

I thought I explained it quite clearly. I will try to make a bit simpler though.

You should not claim that a PR that doesn't meet RO is "inadmissible" to Canada and leave it at that, without offering some additional details or explanation as to exactly what "inadmissible" means in this situation. Most people when they read they are "inadmissible" to Canada, will assume that means they could be denied entry and sent home. But of course in this case being "inadmissible" to Canada is completely irrelevant with absolutely no application to any real life situation, and is just terminology based on your interpretation of a rule. Even if accurate, it's only effect when brought up is to confuse people and cause potentially harmful results.

So in other words, learn how to explain things properly and don't just regurgitate CIC rules that don't actually have any relevance.

 

[david1697]

I thought I explained it quite clearly. I will try to make a bit simpler though.

You should not claim that a PR that doesn't meet RO is "inadmissible" to Canada and leave it at that,

I will decide what I should or should not claim, or add after I make a factually correct statement.

If any part of what I have said is incorrect then point it out.

In regards to the statements I have made, that PR who doesn't meet RO is inadmissible while simultaneously have a right to be admitted as a PR, what part of it is incorrect?

 

[Rob_TO]

I will decide what I should or should not claim, or add after I make a factually correct statement.

If any part of what I have said is incorrect then point it out.

In regards to the statements I have made, that PR who doesn't meet RO is inadmissible while simultaneously have a right to be admitted as a PR, what part of it is incorrect?

That is not what you originally wrote. You stated simply:

The day you accumulate 1096 days out of Canada you will be in breach of RO and inadmissible to Canada.

There was no mention of "have a right to be admitted", which wasn't mentioned until a later post.

Not offering that second piece of information, makes it sound like a PR not meeting RO could be denied entry to Canada, and that is what many people would naturally think. Without clarifying in the same post you make the initial statement, the "advice" is misleading and possibly harmful to those that don't then pour through all the CIC manuals looking for the details (which vast majority of people don't do).

And in general this rule for inadmissibility for PRs not meeting RO is completely irrelevant and useless and doesn't have any practical applications to any real life situations, but yes of course you can state it if you want. Just make sure each time you do, you explain also that key info about "right to be admitted". Bringing the whole thing up in general is unnecessary and just causes confusion, but that is IMO so never mind.

 

[Rob_TO]

I'm not understanding the RO. You all are stating that you must not be outside canada for more than 1095 days but on CIC website the requirement is that you must reside in Canada for 1095 days in order to be eligible for citizenship ("CIC Eligibility Citizenship - You must have resided in Canada for at least three years (1,095 days) in the past four years before you apply. This does not apply to children under 18.") I'm reading 2 out of 5 years for some of you all but the website states 3 out of 4 years. Where are you all getting all of this misinformation from? I thought the entire point of permanent residency was to ultimately become a citizen? And if that is the case, where did you come with the idea of being OUT of canada for 3 years? 1095 days are the required amount to live in Canada and not out of the country. Then if your PR expires and you have not met THAT obligation within that period of time, you will have to present yourself before a board giving factual evidence why, especially if you are going to renew your PR status. From there a decision will be made. At least that is what I'm understanding from the CIC website . I stand to be corrected though.

You are confusing residency obligations for PR, with residency requirements to apply for citizenship.

For PR, in any 5 years period you must spend 2 years physically in Canada. If a PR doesn't do this, they run the risk of being reported to CIC and having their PR revoked. There are some exceptions to the rule and H&C reasons that CIC may allow one to keep PR even though they don't meet RO.

For citizenship, you need to spend 4 out of a 6 year period as a PR physically in Canada in order to qualify to apply for Canadian citizenship. Obviously if one qualifies for citizenship, they also qualify under the PR RO.

Many PRs have no intention to become citizens, and are content with simply keeping their PR status. So for these people all they need to worry about is keeping the 2-in-5-year rule to satisfy their PR residency obligation. See here for more: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA