residency obligation not met do i need a lawyer?

[IndianBos]

Didn't you tell me that you wouldn't respond to my posts and engage in conversations with me again? Can't keep a word you gave? Tsk-tsk-tsk...

As to how you feel about being treated as criminal and yelled at (while knowing you did nothing wrong and didn't break any criminal law), it's your choice if you accept it and take it for granted.

I have a different view. I think those men and women who wear badges are in our service. Their job is to protect us from violent criminals and elements that can ruin our lives, or do great harm to us. Nobody vested them with those powers to go after innocents citizens , yell , abuse and terrorize those of us who make honest living, work 9 to 5, pay our bills/mortgage and struggle every day to raise our children. If they did so, well, then we have a right to express our grievances, speak up and seek redress. Besides, I have every reason to warn other PRs of what they might encounter at the border, so they don't get taken by surprise as I was.

Good luck and best wishes to you.

I also said I will respond when I choose too, may be you missed that.

CBSA yelled at you? That would be the first I have heard from anyone ever on this forum, agents talk in a serious tone but I have never heard anyone say they yelled. But if you say so..

People who are at the border have a right to enforce the laws of the country they serve, and going by the accounts you have provided, all they were doing was enforcing the laws. It's your prerogative to take it personally and post on these forums and put your point of view.

 

[jakklondon]

I also said I will respond when I choose too, may be you missed that.

I didn't miss, I just don't think you said it. Anywho, I don't own this forum, so feel free

CBSA yelled at you? That would be the first I have heard from anyone ever on this forum, agents talk in a serious tone but I have never heard anyone say they yelled. But if you say so..

Then watch this. 500 complaints is probably one out of 100 or 1000 incidents, since very few people (if any) file complaint against CBSA after having a bad experience with them. But it gives you an idea what can and does happen to some travelers.

People who are at the border have a right to enforce the laws of the country they serve, and going by the accounts you have provided, all they were doing was enforcing the laws. It's your prerogative to take it personally and post on these forums and put your point of view.

I don't know what standards of law enforcement and government service you are accustomed to and take for granted (and of course you have a right to even say that you like tyranny and tyrants), but there is this idea of fairness, equality and public service (border agents are under control of federal government, and government is supposedly in service of people, and not vice versa, like few hundred years ago and before British Revolution), and you are not supposed to be treated as criminal, yelled at, shouted and bullied just because some 400 pound fully armed gorilla feels so. They are vested with powers and badge to protect innocent citizens from criminals, not to act like hoodlums and criminals towards law abiding individuals. It's not my "prerogative", it's the law of the land, in US as well as in Canada. And even sovereign immunity (which gives circumstantial leeway and legal protections to those acting on behalf of State) does not in any way imply that law enforcement agent can act like Taliban towards peaceful traveler who minds his own business coming to the country with a PR invitation/visa stamp in his passport. Terrorizing and bullying someone who has no criminal intent/record and has passed multiple security checks (police certificate/FBI fingerprint checks, Canadian law enforcement and intelligence agency checks before being granted PR visa and etc.) is not an enforcement of the law, it's violation of basic human right and if you watch the video above you will learn that it's very reprehensible behavior by Canadian standards, but CBSA is able to get away with it because they don't have a watchdog/overseeing agency over it like they do in other law enforcement agencies operating within Canada.

 

[IndianBos]

I didn't miss, I just don't think you said it. Anywho, I don't own this forum, so feel free



Then watch this. 500 complaints is probably one out of 100 or 1000 incidents, since very few people (if any) file complaint against CBSA after having a bad experience with them. But it gives you an idea what can and does happen to some travelers.

I don't know what standards of law enforcement and government service you are accustomed to and take for granted (and of course you have a right to even say that you like tyranny and tyrants), but there this idea of fairness, equality and public service (border agents are under control of federal government, and government is supposedly is in service of people, and not vice versa like few hundreds of years ago and before British Revolution), and you are not supposed to be treated as criminal, yelled at, shouted and bullied just because some 400 pound fully armed gorilla feels so. They are vested with powers and badge to protect innocent citizens from criminals, not to act like hood looms and criminals towards law abiding individuals. It's not my "prerogative", it's the law of the land, in US as well as in Canada. And even sovereign immunity (which gives circumstantial leeway and protections) do not in any way imply that law enforcement agent can act like a Taliban towards peaceful traveler who minds his business coming to the country with an PR invitation/visa stamp in the passport. Terrorizing and bullying someone who has no criminal intent/record and has passed multiple security checks (police certificate, FBI fingerprint checks, Canadian law enforcement and intelligence agency checks before being granted PR visa) is not an enforcement of the law, it's violation of basic human right and if you watch the video above you will learn that it's very reprehensible behavior by Canadian standards, but CBSA is able to get away with it because they don't have a watchdog/overseeing agency over it like they do in other law enforcement agencies operating within Canada.

They didn't treat you as criminals, they just asked about your plans to reside in Canada per your own account. That is not treating you like a criminal.
I wish you well.

 

[canuck78]

I didn't miss, I just don't think you said it. Anywho, I don't own this forum, so feel free



Then watch this. 500 complaints is probably one out of 100 or 1000 incidents, since very few people (if any) file complaint against CBSA after having a bad experience with them. But it gives you an idea what can and does happen to some travelers.

I don't know what standards of law enforcement and government service you are accustomed to and take for granted (and of course you have a right to even say that you like tyranny and tyrants), but there this idea of fairness, equality and public service (border agents are under control of federal government, and government is supposedly is in service of people, and not vice versa like few hundreds of years ago and before British Revolution), and you are not supposed to be treated as criminal, yelled at, shouted and bullied just because some 400 pound fully armed gorilla feels so. They are vested with powers and badge to protect innocent citizens from criminals, not to act like hood looms and criminals towards law abiding individuals. It's not my "prerogative", it's the law of the land, in US as well as in Canada. And even sovereign immunity (which gives circumstantial leeway and legal protections to those acting on behalf of State) do not in any way imply that law enforcement agent can act like a Taliban towards peaceful traveler who minds his business coming to the country with an PR invitation/visa stamp in the passport. Terrorizing and bullying someone who has no criminal intent/record and has passed multiple security checks (police certificate, FBI fingerprint checks, Canadian law enforcement and intelligence agency checks before being granted PR visa) is not an enforcement of the law, it's violation of basic human right and if you watch the video above you will learn that it's very reprehensible behavior by Canadian standards, but CBSA is able to get away with it because they don't have a watchdog/overseeing agency over it like they do in other law enforcement agencies operating within Canada.

Not sure where you are from but I take offence for anyone who actually has to deal with the Taliban to compare their treatment to treatment when dealing with CBSA.

 

[jakklondon]

Not sure where you are from but I take offence for anyone who actually has to deal with the Taliban to compare their treatment to treatment when dealing with CBSA.

I am greatly offended by you not equating the bully to Taliban. You must be hating me if you disagree with me. I think the forum Moderators must now suspend you from posting on this forum. Only people who 100% agree with me don't offend me and should continue to express their opinion. <<Pun intended.

 

[jakklondon]

They didn't treat you as criminals, they just asked about your plans to reside in Canada per your own account. That is not treating you like a criminal.
I wish you well.

Yelling, shouting and expressing anger, with big gun on your back and bunch of other, 300 lbs guys around you surrounding a traveler who enters the country with PR visa/stamp in his passport is not "just asking about plans to reside in Canada". I wish you the same.

 

[Jazzed]

Yelling, shouting and expressing anger, with big gun on your back and bunch of other, 300 lbs guys around you surrounding a traveler who enters the country with PR visa/stamp in his passport is not "just asking about plans to reside in Canada". I wish you the same.

This is absolutely disturbing. I am so sorry this happened to you. Truly unacceptable for any country and anyone to do and put someone through

 

[jakklondon]

This is absolutely disturbing. I am so sorry this happened to you. Truly unacceptable for any country and anyone to do and put someone through

Thank you Jazzed. I believe you are the first person on this forum so far who stated that such behavior from border agents is unacceptable. Others who voiced their opinion seem to cheer the abuses and blame me for daring to speak up against it.

Irony is that I am a law and order guy. I like quite neighborhoods, I don't want drugs, human trafficking and violence in my neighborhood, and I never sought confrontation with border agents. But being a law and order person also means that I don't think anyone is above the law, and that includes those with badges and guns, vested with authority to serve and protect us. Not to terrorize innocent citizens who didn't break the law.

 

[BigLeap]

Should be no issues for working or travelling within Canada. Got health card, driving license, insurance etc. You cannot lose status unless you giveup or apply a new PRTD or PRcard while not in compliance.

But if you are a family I suggest all move to Canada before PR card expiry even if not in compliance with RO. Please dont be in situation that you have to sponsor your child or spouse while you are not in compliance of RO. This may trigger a review of sponsor's RO during sponsorship application process.

But without a valid PR card you have stay inside till March 23 even in case of any emergencies if you are not from visa exempt countries. Thats the only take.

Never just go with one lawyer words. In your case, it seems he/she totally misguided you. Take multiple opinions not necessarily from lawyers but from forums like this. You could some valuable insight that could shape your future.

Also calling IRCC directly and clarifying with them is not a bad idea at all. Your future applications wont be judged based on your queries. Even a case specific web query will not and should not trigger any RO check.

Applying for a PRTD outside canada or trying to apply for a new PR card without meeting RO from inside canada only could trigger a review of RO compliance.

Hope this helped. Good luck.