Rejection possible after PPR?

[bestofluck]

Again it seems you prefer digging too deep to put forward your point which when analysed in context of the query seems thoroughly irrelevant.

who started it?

 

[rollingpunjab]

who started it?

of course you

 

[polcoin]

of course you

;D hehe

 

[pfse]

That's how an analogy works.

They don't have a 'right' to reject anytime, they have a 'right' to select which they do exercise. The applicant has a 'duty' to present the required documentation(s) at all points throughout the process. And if the documentation is in order and PPR has been issued, the applicant has a 'right' to receive COPR and be admitted into Canada and CBSA has a 'right' to verify any and all documentation(s) required before admitting anyone into Canada. The simple reply is, they cannot reject your application between PPR and COPR unless they know that you have falsified information to get the said PPR. Even in that case, they cannot 'arbitrarily' reject your application - they still need to give you a fair chance to clarify things at your end. So there are more chances of being turned back at the Port of Entry (which are fairly minimal in themselves) than being refused between PPR and COPR (infinitesimal chances , non zero probability which is analogous NOT equivalent to the chances of gravity being repulsive in some corner of the Universe).

For someone who doesn't like the Canadian government's reliance on IELTS and English language, I expect you to not get the difference between analogy and equivalence hence had to spell it out.

Have a good day!

Speaking about analogy... You know, things happen... Let's see if you can follow the rule of similarity and show any example of "gravity being repulsive in some corner of the Universe".

 

[Asivad Anac]

Speaking about analogy... You know, things happen... Let's see if you can follow the rule of similarity and show any example of "gravity being repulsive in some corner of the Universe".

Probably took you quite some time and effort to dig that out, appreciate that!

Still fits in with the analogy - that it cannot be ruled out completely but it is an overwhelmingly unlikely event. Even in that 4 year old post (not totally resolved, sketchy details, no follow up information et al), it is completely clear that everyone was flabbergasted to hear of such a thing. Which further substantiates the assertion that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that one gets refused between PPR and COPR. And judging by that applicant's urgency in reapplication rather than appealing against an obvious 'unfair' decision, it did appear that there was more to it than explained so that solitary incident might not even fit the bill.

On the gravity bit, it is overwhelmingly unlikely that it is a repulsive force in some corner of the Universe but you cannot make an assertion that it is NEVER repulsive because even one false observation can overturn that theory. The rule of similarity here being 'overwhelmingly unlikely'.

 

[pfse]

Probably took you quite some time and effort to dig that out, appreciate that!

Still fits in with the analogy - that it cannot be ruled out completely but it is an overwhelmingly unlikely event. Even in that 4 year old post (not totally resolved, sketchy details, no follow up information et al), it is completely clear that everyone was flabbergasted to hear of such a thing. Which further substantiates the assertion that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that one gets refused between PPR and COPR. And judging by that applicant's urgency in reapplication rather than appealing against an obvious 'unfair' decision, it did appear that there was more to it than explained so that solitary incident might not even fit the bill.

On the gravity bit, it is overwhelmingly unlikely that it is a repulsive force in some corner of the Universe but you cannot make an assertion that it is NEVER repulsive because even one false observation can overturn that theory. The rule of similarity here being 'overwhelmingly unlikely'.

This took me exactly 5 minutes to google it. I believe if decide to spend some time and effort, I would find additional cases like this.

And you know, it doesn't fit the analogy at all. There is no analogy between something which is proven to be real and happen and something which doesn't even exist in theory. And, btw, you can't claim that this "unlikely event" unless you know the application assessment process in detail, which you don't.

 

[Asivad Anac]

This took me exactly 5 minutes to google it. I believe if decide to spend some time and effort, I would find additional cases like this.

And you know, it doesn't fit the analogy at all. There is no analogy between something which is proven to be real and happen and something which doesn't even exist in theory. And, btw, you can't claim that this "unlikely event" unless you know the application assessment process in detail, which you don't.

Analogies don't exactly work the way you described here but let's spar over semantics elsewhere. Gravity being universally attractive EVERYWHERE in time and space isn't proven to be 'real', whatever that means. In fact, that this assertion cannot be conclusively proven (or disproved) was at the base of that analogy.

I know enough about the application assessment process to assert that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that one is granted PPR and refused COPR provided one submits the required documents within the next 30 days. Why it is 'overwhelmingly unlikely' but not a 'certainty' is where the analogy comes into the picture.

Googling further would probably still not be enough for you and I to agree on how 'vanishingly unlikely', 'overwhelmingly unlikely', 'improbably unlikely', 'debatably unlikely', 'arguably unlikely', 'probably unlikely', 'most definitely unlikely' or 'almost always unlikely' this particular event is. For one last time, the analogy meant that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that there will be a rejection between PPR and COPR. Which answered the OP's question satisfactorily enough. As we're just trying to nitpick about semantics now, there is nothing left to discuss here.

 

[pfse]

Analogies don't exactly work the way you described here but let's spar over semantics elsewhere. Gravity being universally attractive EVERYWHERE in time and space isn't proven to be 'real', whatever that means. In fact, that this assertion cannot be conclusively proven (or disproved) was at the base of that analogy.

I know enough about the application assessment process to assert that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that one is granted PPR and refused COPR provided one submits the required documents within the next 30 days. Why it is 'overwhelmingly unlikely' but not a 'certainty' is where the analogy comes into the picture.

Googling further would probably still not be enough for you and I to agree on how 'vanishingly unlikely', 'overwhelmingly unlikely', 'improbably unlikely', 'debatably unlikely', 'arguably unlikely', 'probably unlikely', 'most definitely unlikely' or 'almost always unlikely' this particular event is. For one last time, the analogy meant that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that there will be a rejection between PPR and COPR. Which answered the OP's question satisfactorily enough. As we're just trying to nitpick about semantics now, there is nothing left to discuss here.

Well, that's not about semantics at all. The question was whether it may or may not happen. The answer is "yes, it may happen". Because it happen in the past, and there is nothing in the Immigration Act and in rules of application assessment process which would prevent this from happening. Now speaking about unlikely, can you measure how unlikely it is? You know, chances to die in plane crash is one in 11 million, but it is 100% to those, who already died in plane crash.
You think, you know enough about immigration process, but you actually doesn't. Your knowledge is mostly based on the information you reading in this forum and your own experience. Believe me only something like 1% (my opinion) of people who got rejected posted here about their rejection. I am on this forum much longer than you and I myself struggled with immigration process for 2 years. And the only thing I learned about dealing with CIC, is uncertainty. You would not believe for what reason ppl got rejected. You can't say you're PR until you get your CoPR signed.

 

[hsalem]

I do respect Asived for his point of view and what made me respect him more that he did NOT go through useless discussion, he is straight forward in his help and advice for every one in this forum, while he is not waiting any appreciation or anything in return. It's true that everyone has the freedom to say & express his thougts, but at the same time we have certain level of understanding & respect to each other coz we are all in the same boat and for the same goal.
Regards to everyone.

 

[Hansdza]

What's the deal here?

Asivad just wanted to help. Using analogy or not doesn't even matter as long as the question is answered. Whether you agree or disagree it's up to you.

Please be respectful to other members/contributors, we are helping each other out in this forum NOT bashing each other based on their comments. This forum has been very helpful to so many PR applicants due to valuable contribution from members like Asivad. At least for me..

Geez..

To Asivad,

Please don't waste your time and energy replying comments from them. Your energy is mostly needed by those who are "truly" looking for information regarding immigration

 

[Can.ott]

I think we should stick to the topic if someone do not like one's answer, can just put forward your best answer in response this forum is not to pick on any one!! dont take any thing personal guys!!!

 

[nsbhullar]

who started it?

bestofluck :: why are you wasting your time and precious time of Asivad... who is helping lot of people on this forum.......
So xxxx off.... and hire a lawyer to correct your analogy.....

 

[jc94]

I don't know if this helps much but I found my work place really good about leaving for a job in Canada.
Okay I personally was moving within the company on a permit... but I had another colleague who left the job to move to Canada directly on a PR.

We were both VERY open with them early on in the process of getting involved and they were in return pretty good about letting us work variable notice out. I basically said I was leaving before i even had a job contract signed.

In summary, if your work place is aware of your move and good on things like this I'd have an open chat with your manager now.
If they have no idea you are wanting to leave - or are known to be difficult on things like trying to reduce notice, wait until your COPR.

Another consideration, the other topic was a few years ago and I think fairly rare. Your main worry here in my mind is if you'd done anything the PPR says to let them know about, like gotten married, had a kid etc... If you're all clear on that count you should be 99.99% safe.

But then ... as someone said, until you landed no-one can be 100% :'(

 

[PoutineLover]

Can we please rename this thread to Probabilistic Theories & their applications in Physics??

Peace all!

 

[pssid]

When in doubt, better safe than sorry. I m in the same situation waiting for copr and stamping. I am gona wait for everything to clear out. Going by the process all they want is pp, which if is the same u submitted should not be an issue.