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REJECTED . Please need some advice

Impatient Dankaroo

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No I have residence permit which expires in 2021. But this is the case for all expatriates applying from KSA. Should all be rejected?
If you reside in a country that you are not a citizen of then yes it affects your application negatively because it looks like you are aiming for immigration. But that is just one aspect of application. If other areas are strong then you can overcome that such as applying for advanced degree in a reputable university.
 
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Afza Akhil

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The amount of refusals in recent days suggests that they are most likely not looking at SOPs + additional documents for justifications of the selected course, study gap or any other issues that they notice during eligibility stage. If they don't feel like any obvious connection between your selected course, previous education AND employment that is entered in the Study Permit application, they just refuse it with generic points. The likely reason is not because of discrimination but rather the tight deadline of Sept 15 for Fall 2020 applications. It'll take 2-3x more time per application if they start to look at SOPs and other documentations for proof which will effect all other applications where things might be streamlined and needs less time to complete eligibility.

The thing is, don't be discourages by the decision and do not rush to re-apply. Apply for GCMS and wait for Winter 2021 or Fall 2021 and see how things turn out in next couple of months. For Winter 2021, you guys can apply in October. I am sure IRCC will announce further updates after Sept 15 since that's the first date they announced to finalize the maximum applications for Fall 2020. The amount of applications for Winter 2021 will be more than Winter 2020 but hopefully less than Fall 2020.
Wanted to know what is “review required” under eligibility after recommended passed and complete file with aip, biometrics, and medical passed? Please help.. anything to worry?
 

Shaild

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If you reside in a country that you are not a citizen of then yes it affects your application negatively because it looks like you are aiming for immigration. But that is just one aspect of application. If other areas are strong then you can overcome that such as applying for advanced degree in a reputable university.
Honestly, that is just how GCC countries work. VISA's are renewed on unlimited contract basis, people have been staying here for years & then retired and gone home. Besides, all money is remitted back home in most cases which should be sufficient enough for 'Home Ties' in my opinion. I believe this is where the VO's need to be guided as to understand how this market works rather than handing out rejections. I understand it is not their job to take this kind of effort but chucking out potential candidates who have spent days & months preparing the documentations, etc can be very depressing.
 

jweekend

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Honestly, that is just how GCC countries work. VISA's are renewed on unlimited contract basis, people have been staying here for years & then retired and gone home. Besides, all money is remitted back home in most cases which should be sufficient enough for 'Home Ties' in my opinion. I believe this is where the VO's need to be guided as to understand how this market works rather than handing out rejections. I understand it is not their job to take this kind of effort but chucking out potential candidates who have spent days & months preparing the documentations, etc can be very depressing.
There's no proof in that. You're just making it up that the applicant will "return home" and thinking that the visa officer will approve your permit without any evidence.
 

Shaild

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There's no proof in that. You're just making it up that the applicant will "return home" and thinking that the visa officer will approve your permit without any evidence.
Do you work in GCC ? Clearly not. Just do a bit of research online & you will see NO ONE can settle here even if one wants to. Everyone at some point goes back home no matter how many years you have lived here. GCC countries do not provide citizenship or PR and there is no option of refugee here and you cant stay on streets as you will be put behind bars. The laws are extremely strict about overstaying and people here fear the law as there is no way to dodge it. Everyone is under heavy surveillance & everything you do here is linked to ID's. So yes, I am extremely confident that people return home after working in GCC countries (whether they like it or not).
 
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arhue

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Do you work in GCC ? Clearly not. Just do a bit of research online & you will see NO ONE can settle here even if one wants to. Everyone at some point goes back home no matter how many years you have lived here. GCC countries do not provide citizenship or PR and there is no option of refugee here and you cant stay on streets as you will be put behind bars. The laws are extremely strict about overstaying and people here fear the law as there is no way to dodge it. So yes, I am extremely confident that people return home after working in GCC countries (whether they like it or not).
It's upto the applicant to prove to the VO that he/she will return back to country of permanent status once studies are over. They are looking for ties to home country to make sure the applicant has no incentive to overstay in Canada. Longer someone stays in GCC on non-permanent status, harder that is to prove. Ask yourself this: If you're from a not so well off country having good life in GCC, why would you do a 2-3 yr degree to give that up and return to your country of origin once studies are over?

No amount of bickering in forums is going to change the status quo. VOs are not idiots. They are very good at assessing overstay risk and have good reasons for the added scrutiny.
 

Shaild

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It's upto the applicant to prove to the VO that he/she will return back to country of permanent status once studies are over. They are looking for ties to home country to make sure the applicant has no incentive to overstay in Canada. Longer someone stays in GCC on non-permanent status, harder that is to prove. Ask yourself this: If you're from a not so well off country having good life in GCC, why would you do a 2-3 yr degree to give that up and return to your country of origin once studies are over?

No amount of bickering in forums is going to change the status quo. VOs are not idiots. They are very good at assessing overstay risk and have good reasons for the added scrutiny.
Hey ! Fair points & I agree with some of your statements. Honestly, lets accept most who go to study as mature adults are doing it for PR purpose which even the VO are well aware. I also agree that I would not want to return to my third world country of citizenship where I am already living a comfortable life in middle east.

My challenge however is with the fact that the profile of the person in concern should be looked at. Think about it, A person with great education & career progression will not choose to stay in Canada on a illegal status. I mean I don't see any incentive as my life will be more terrible than me actually going back home. If I see candidates with profile like these, I would say they have all the capability to legally stay back & apply for PR. Anyways, I agree my bickering will not change anything. Just letting some steam off. Peace :)
 

arhue

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Aug 17, 2020
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Category........
STUDY
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NOC Code......
2173
Hey ! Fair points & I agree with some of your statements. Honestly, lets accept most who go to study as mature adults are doing it for PR purpose which even the VO are well aware. I also agree that I would not want to return to my third world country of citizenship where I am already living a comfortable life in middle east.

My challenge however is with the fact that the profile of the person in concern should be looked at. Think about it, A person with great education & career progression will not choose to stay in Canada on a illegal status. I mean I don't see any incentive as my life will be more terrible than me actually going back home. If I see candidates with profile like these, I would say they have all the capability to legally stay back & apply for PR. Anyways, I agree my bickering will not change anything. Just letting some steam off. Peace :)
I'm not sure dual intent is the issue here. VOs are just making sure you aren't desperate enough to stay back illegally incase you have to go back to country of origin. Higher rate of rejection and scrutiny usually means higher rate of overstay in the past.