===Rejected: NOC 4131 !!!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!===

[adam711]

hi guys

after 84 days of waiting for an email from CIO, i finally received it ... but it turned out to be a veryyyyyy big disappointment

i got this :

"the main duties that you have listed do not indicate that you performed a substantial number of the main duties of the occupation as set out in the occupational description of the NOC, including all of the essential duties. As such, I am not satisfied that your experience corresponds to NOC 4131- College and Other Vocational Instructors."

well.... here what i do in my job:

I am an instructor at Fast Lane .. this company is a CLSP (Cisco Learning System Partner).. for anyone who dont know Cisco, Cisco is the biggest networking hadware vendor... its like Microsoft for software.. and they do have courses, exams, certificates...etc

so basically what we do in our company, we train people networking skills in order to get Cisco certificates (CCNA, CCNP, CCSP...etc)

our company is a global partner for cisco, we conduct courses in more than 40 countries (flane.com)

so what i basically do... full time conduct courses... from 9 to 5... i teach theory from 9 to 1.. then resume after lunch break with lab exercises ... some weeks i do preparing for new courses... thats it.. but my main main duty is teaching or training or instructing or delivering courses whatever u want to call it !!!

here what i wrote in my application:

From 2009 02
To 2010 02
Occupation Network Instructor
NOC 4131

Main duties

• Deliver Cisco courses to students using PowerPoint presentation style of lecturing - providing key concepts in networking fundamentals like subnetting, explaining in depth the theory of routing basics like EIGRP and OSPF routing protocols, teaching switching concepts like VLANS and trunking, teaching advanced Network Security courses like firewall, and give training on Enterprise level Network Management System (NMS) like CiscoWorks
• Carryout afternoon hands-on lab sessions for the students – supervising the students while they are doing their lab tasks and solving the problems they encounter
• Guide students into how to approach Cisco hierarchical certification scheme (Entry, Associate, Professional, Expert, and Architect) in terms of courses to take and exams to clear in order to fulfill their current/future career needs
• Work with the team lead for course quality improvement – conduct course evaluation towards the end of each course and try to improve on the weak points the evaluation shows
• Specialize in those main areas of Computer Networking: Routing & Switching, Service Provider, Network Management, and newly in Network Security
• Provide consultancy support for customers or other companies – help the customers to solve the issues they face in their network infrastructure.


well... sorry to say that... but i am not convinced how they are saying i didnt perform substential amount of main duties listed in the NOC..


Seniors please help.. am fed up with Canada.. i am trying with this immigration system since 2004 and seems i am having the worst luck on EARTH!!!!!!!.... i am seriously thinking now to go to Australia cause really i am tired and sick of this (((((((

 

[punjabi]

very sad news .........

I think your Main duties are not match with the 4131 Catagory.

They required computer trainer not network trainer.


if you applied your case as a company trainer and not doing any deep dive in your mail duites.might be you are cleared.

I think its mistake from your side

 

[adam711]

very sad news .........

I think your Main duties are not match with the 4131 Catagory.

They required computer trainer not network trainer.


if you applied your case as a company trainer and not doing any deep dive in your mail duites.might be you are cleared.

I think its mistake from your side

thanks punjabi

well if what u say is right, then the "Network Trainer" falls under which NOC ?


i am 99.999% sure that it falls under NOC 4131...

 

[adam711]

very sad news .........

I think your Main duties are not match with the 4131 Catagory.

They required computer trainer not network trainer.


if you applied your case as a company trainer and not doing any deep dive in your mail duites.might be you are cleared.

I think its mistake from your side

yea.. ok punjabi... if what u said about not going deep is right.. then i will literally suicide..!!!


my first application under FSW1 was received by CIO on Nov 2009.. application returned to me cause of "no sufficient details about the main duties"

so please... what the hell... no i mean WHAT THE HELL

COME ON GUYS IN CIO... WHICH LEVEL OF DETAILS U WANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[punjabi]

ALL the Occuption Under 4131
academic subjects teacher – college level
accounting teacher – college level
administration teacher
advertising art teacher
agricultural college teacher
agricultural school teacher
airline customer-service instructor
apparel design teacher
appliance servicing teacher – vocational institute
applied arts teacher – college level
architectural technology instructor
automotive repair instructor – college
Bible college teacher
Bible school teacher
bookkeeping teacher
business administration teacher
business administration teacher – college level
business college instructor
business college teacher
business law teacher
business subjects teacher – vocational institute
CEGEP (general and vocational college) teacher
CEGEP teacher
chemical technology teacher
chemistry teacher – agricultural school
child-care service teacher
child-care service teacher – college level
clothing design teacher
college instructor
college of applied arts and technology instructor
college of applied arts and technology teacher
college teacher
commercial art instructor
commercial art teacher
commercial subjects teacher – vocational institute
commercial vehicle driver instructor
communications teacher – college level
community college instructor
community college teacher
community planning teacher – college level
community-based trainer
company trainer
computer programming instructor – college level
computer science teacher – college level
computer trainer
computer training instructor
computer training representative
computer-assisted drafting (CAD) instructor
computer-based trainer
correspondence school instructor
correspondence school tutor
correspondence teacher – college level
court reporting instructor
data-processing teacher – college level
denominational institute teacher
dental assistant program teacher – community college
dental hygienist program teacher
department chairman/woman – college
department chairman/woman – community college
department chairperson – college
department chairperson – community college
department head – CEGEP
department head – college
department head – community college
department head – institute of technology
department head – private training institute
department head – technical institute
department head – vocational institute
direct sales instructor
drafting instructor
drafting instructor – college level
drafting teacher
drafting teacher – college level
driving instructor, commercial vehicles
early childhood education instructor – college level
early childhood education teacher – college level
economics teacher – college level
electrolysis instructor – vocational institute
electromechanical technology teacher – college level
electronic technology teacher – college level
embalming teacher
English as a second language teacher (ESL) – college level
English teacher – business college
English teacher – college level
ESL (English as a second language) teacher – college level
fashion design teacher – CEGEP
fashion teacher – college level
fine arts teacher – college level
firefighters instructor
firefighting instructor
flight attendants instructor
French as a second language teacher (except elementary, high school or university)
gliding instructor
graphic arts teacher
graphic design instructor
ground school instructor
hairdressing instructor – vocational institute
hairdressing teacher – community college
health and safety instructor
health technology teacher
heavy equipment operators instructor – community college
history teacher – CEGEP
horticulture and landscaping instructor – school of horticulture
hotel management teacher – college
industrial instrumentation teacher
industrial safety instructor
Industry-based instructor
industry-based trainer
institute of technology teacher
instructor – business college
instructor – commercial college
instructor – company
instructor – industry
instructor – language school
instructor – private training institute
instructor – technical school
instructor – technology institute
instructor – vocational school
instructor, college
instructor, college of applied arts and technology
instructor, community college
instructor, correspondence school
instructor, firefighters
instructor, firefighting
instructor, flight attendants
instructor, ground school
instructor, health and safety
instructor, heavy equipment operators – community college
instructor, industrial safety
instructor, police
instructor, pursers
instructor, technological institute
interior design teacher
journalism teacher – college level
landscaping instructor
language instructor – language school
language laboratory teacher – college level
language school instructor
law enforcement teacher
law teacher – police college
leader, management seminar
legal assistant program teacher
legal secretarial program teacher – community college
management seminar leader
marketing teacher – college level
mathematics teacher – college level
mechanical technology teacher – college level
medical records management program teacher
medical technology teacher
mineral technology teacher – college of applied arts and technology
mining rescue instructor
modern languages teacher – college level
modern languages tutor – language school
music teacher – conservatory of music
nursing instructor
police college teacher
police instructor
printing technology teacher – CEGEP
professional training instructor
public-speaking instructor
public-speaking teacher
pursers instructor
recreational leadership teacher
remedial teacher – college level
retail management teacher
second-language instructor – language school
secretarial services teacher
shorthand teacher – business college
social services teacher – college level
staff training officer – industry
teacher – business college
teacher – commercial college
teacher – institute of technology
teacher – seminary
teacher, agricultural college
teacher, agricultural school
teacher, Bible college
teacher, Bible school
teacher, CEGEP (general and vocational college)
teacher, college
teacher, college of applied arts and technology
teacher, community college
teacher, English as a second language (ESL) – college level
teacher, English as a second language (except elementary, high school or university)
teacher, French as a second language (except elementary, high school or university
teacher, legal assistant program
teacher, police college
teacher, public speaking
teacher, technological institute
teacher, vocational institute
technical subjects instructor – vocational institute
technological institute instructor
technological institute teacher
technological subjects instructor – vocational institute
technology teacher – college level
tool and die making teacher – community college
tourism trainer
trade instructor – community college
trainee instructor
trainer, company
trainer, computer
training consultant – industry
training development officer – military
training instructor – college level
training officer – company
training representative, computer
truck driver trainer – community college
tutor, correspondence school
tutor, modern languages – language school
typing teacher – commercial college
vocational institute teacher
vocational trainer
welding teacher – technical institute

 

[micuza2004]

adam, your card had been debited before your refusal arrived on email? please respond. :'(

 

[punjabi]

need to explan this only "Teach students using a systematic plan of lectures, demonstrations, discussion groups, laboratory work, shop sessions, seminars, case studies, field assignments and independent or group projects"

mean to say "no need to go in product details"

 

[adam711]

very sad news .........

I think your Main duties are not match with the 4131 Catagory.

They required computer trainer not network trainer.


if you applied your case as a company trainer and not doing any deep dive in your mail duites.might be you are cleared.

I think its mistake from your side

yes penjabi.. i know.. i have seen it now.. and seen it before applying too...

ok.. the NOC supposed to include all the "recognized" jobs in canada, right?

so any "recognized" job in canada supposed to fall under some number in the NOC, right?

so i think we both agree that "network instructor" as a job is available in canada... and supposed to fall under one of the NOC codes out there, right?

so if u saying its not falling under NOC 4131, then under which code??

 

[adam711]

adam, your card had been debited before your refusal arrived on email? please respond. :'(

hi micuza,

i sent Demand Drafts.. and yes, they have been encashed... they told me they will issue me check and send it back

but i think if u used credit card and it hasbeen charged.. then i guess u most probably successful .. as per what i understood from the email

 

[adam711]

need to explan this only "Teach students using a systematic plan of lectures, demonstrations, discussion groups, laboratory work, shop sessions, seminars, case studies, field assignments and independent or group projects"

mean to say "no need to go in product details"

thanks punjabi for this.. at least i am revealing some of the anger/hatred that is firing inside me now ... really thank u..

but anyways to reply:

well.. my first bullet point in blue up there is 90% like what a senior in this forum recommended me to say!

 

[punjabi]

I have not found any NOC for network Instructor.
NOC 2281 might be correct for you network administrator.

 

[adam711]

I have not found any NOC for network Instructor.
NOC 2281 might be correct for you network administrator.

well.. network admin is FAR FAR from what i am doing

i DO NOT touch any production network.. i am not supervising, managing, building, configuring, monitoring, maintaining ... etc of any network of any kind !!!!!!!!


I DO TEACH. period.

(dont take my words as directed to u.. i am directing my words to the CIO guy who refused my application)

 

[adam711]

ok i will go to sleep now...


so depressed

so pissed off

so sad

and so hopeless

 

[punjabi]

i understant your feeling

but i did no understand why are you put network instructor

 

[micuza2004]

adam, i'm so sorry.... :-[, will you send again your application?