Refused visa application based on 179(b)

[Mohsenn]

I invited someone, that I met a few months ago and got romantically involved with, to come to visit me in Canada. We met and dated when I visited her in my birth country. We planned for her to visit me here in Canada to date more and find out if we can continue our romantic relationship. Both my friend and I presented the above information in her application package.

We provided, what we considered, a strong application package with evidences of our relationship including photos, video and chat conversations. And my financial means to support her while she is in Canada, and her work and social ties in her country.

The officer refused her application per these reasons:
“
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.
“

1- is there a chance for me to contact the Immigration Office and ask for clarification as to why the officer has not been “satisfied” and what makes him/her satisfied?

2- is there a chance for me, as a Canadian citizen, to appeal or dispute the officer’s findings/decision? My friend and I have signed a Representation form during the application, for me to be able to represent her in the application.

3- is there any hope that my MP can help me with this in any way?

Thanks for your feedback!

 

[Adil Sulehri]

I invited someone, that I met a few months ago and got romantically involved with, to come to visit me in Canada. We met and dated when I visited her in my birth country. We planned for her to visit me here in Canada to date more and find out if we can continue our romantic relationship. Both my friend and I presented the above information in her application package.

We provided, what we considered, a strong application package with evidences of our relationship including photos, video and chat conversations. And my financial means to support her while she is in Canada, and her work and social ties in her country.

The officer refused her application per these reasons:
“
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.
“

1- is there a chance for me to contact the Immigration Office and ask for clarification as to why the officer has not been “satisfied” and what makes him/her satisfied?

2- is there a chance for me, as a Canadian citizen, to appeal or dispute the officer’s findings/decision? My friend and I have signed a Representation form during the application, for me to be able to represent her in the application.

3- is there any hope that my MP can help me with this in any way?

Thanks for your feedback!

The first thing you can do is to apply for GCMS notes
You can Google and follow the steps

 

[Cjay23]

I invited someone, that I met a few months ago and got romantically involved with, to come to visit me in Canada. We met and dated when I visited her in my birth country. We planned for her to visit me here in Canada to date more and find out if we can continue our romantic relationship. Both my friend and I presented the above information in her application package.

We provided, what we considered, a strong application package with evidences of our relationship including photos, video and chat conversations. And my financial means to support her while she is in Canada, and her work and social ties in her country.

The officer refused her application per these reasons:
“
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.
“

1- is there a chance for me to contact the Immigration Office and ask for clarification as to why the officer has not been “satisfied” and what makes him/her satisfied?

2- is there a chance for me, as a Canadian citizen, to appeal or dispute the officer’s findings/decision? My friend and I have signed a Representation form during the application, for me to be able to represent her in the application.

3- is there any hope that my MP can help me with this in any way?

Thanks for your feedback!

Is possible they denied you based on the reason of your relationship goals. Since you clearly stated you wanted to see if you could extend or build the relationship more by inviting her, the VO probably thinks you might eventually get married to her and she won't leave Canada again

 

[Intianu]

Is possible they denied you based on the reason of your relationship goals. Since you clearly stated you wanted to see if you could extend or build the relationship more by inviting her, the VO probably thinks you might eventually get married to her and she won't leave Canada again

This could be right actually. But it is a very funny thing, as a canadian citizen who is yet to marry is the visa officer not aware that someday soon you will get married and have kids of your own??

Is it a crime for you to invite a lady of whom you have emotional interest for that could one day lead to marriage?

Sometimes, I dont understand how these Visa Officer make decisions.

 

[Cjay23]

This could be right actually. But it is a very funny thing, as a canadian citizen who is yet to marry is the visa officer not aware that someday soon you will get married and have kids of your own??

Is it a crime for you to invite a lady of whom you have emotional interest for that could one day lead to marriage?

Sometimes, I dont understand how these Visa Officer make decisions.[/QUOTE/]
it baffles me as well, but we only hope for positive response

 

[scylla]

I invited someone, that I met a few months ago and got romantically involved with, to come to visit me in Canada. We met and dated when I visited her in my birth country. We planned for her to visit me here in Canada to date more and find out if we can continue our romantic relationship. Both my friend and I presented the above information in her application package.

We provided, what we considered, a strong application package with evidences of our relationship including photos, video and chat conversations. And my financial means to support her while she is in Canada, and her work and social ties in her country.

The officer refused her application per these reasons:
“
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on the purpose of your visit.
- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.
“

1- is there a chance for me to contact the Immigration Office and ask for clarification as to why the officer has not been “satisfied” and what makes him/her satisfied?

2- is there a chance for me, as a Canadian citizen, to appeal or dispute the officer’s findings/decision? My friend and I have signed a Representation form during the application, for me to be able to represent her in the application.

3- is there any hope that my MP can help me with this in any way?

Thanks for your feedback!

1 - No, you cannot contact immigration officers directly. If you want more information on the reasons for the decision, you need to order your GCMS notes. These will take 30 days to arrive.
2 - You can appeal, however you'll need a lawyer to do this and be willing to spend a few thousand dollars knowing the outcome might still be the same. Makes more sense to apply again.
3 - No. MPs cannot influence or overturn application decisions.

The issue with your application is that you focused far far too much on your relationship. This has made IRCC concerned that your partner has plans to come to Canada and remain long term to be with you (i.e. isn't a genuine visitor). To be approved, the application needs to demonstrate that your partner has strong ties to her home country and has no plans on remaining in Canada long term. The evidence should focus on her and be provided by her - it's a lot less about you. When you reapply, she should include evidence such as proof of employment, proof of property ownership / rental, proof of assets. She also wants to be able to show that she can pay for the entire trip herself (saying that you will cover expenses weakens the application).

 

[Mohsenn]

The first thing you can do is to apply for GCMS notes
You can Google and follow the steps

Thanks a lot for the information!
I already called the Immigration Office and started the process.

How do you think the information can help? Any ideas?

 

[Mohsenn]

Is possible they denied you based on the reason of your relationship goals. Since you clearly stated you wanted to see if you could extend or build the relationship more by inviting her, the VO probably thinks you might eventually get married to her and she won't leave Canada again

The eventual probable marriage should not be an issue. After all, if we get married I can sponsor her to immigrate for good and not just visit.


I don’t believe that is the reason.

 

[Mohsenn]

1 - No, you cannot contact immigration officers directly. If you want more information on the reasons for the decision, you need to order your GCMS notes. These will take 30 days to arrive.
2 - You can appeal, however you'll need a lawyer to do this and be willing to spend a few thousand dollars knowing the outcome might still be the same. Makes more sense to apply again.
3 - No. MPs cannot influence or overturn application decisions.

The issue with your application is that you focused far far too much on your relationship. This has made IRCC concerned that your partner has plans to come to Canada and remain long term to be with you (i.e. isn't a genuine visitor). To be approved, the application needs to demonstrate that your partner has strong ties to her home country and has no plans on remaining in Canada long term. The evidence should focus on her and be provided by her - it's a lot less about you. When you reapply, she should include evidence such as proof of employment, proof of property ownership / rental, proof of assets. She also wants to be able to show that she can pay for the entire trip herself (saying that you will cover expenses weakens the application).

Thanks for the feedback!

We did provide info on her employment, job history, social and economic ties to her country. My side was to show why she is interested to visit Canada. We also provided plans for her return back, and offered to provide guarantees for her return.

After all, if we decide to marry, we would not her to break her terms of stay here. We would either apply to extend her stay, or change her status. And, we can do all that either when she is in Canada or when she gets back to her country.

I don’t understand what the fuss is about visitors like he not returning to their country. Can Canadian government simply remove them from the country when they have clearly broken their terms of stay?

On the financial part of your feedback, if the government is interested to assure that she is not a financial burden to Canada, my undertaking with my healthy financial status and employment should be a positive thing. Why should it not?

 

[scylla]

The eventual probable marriage should not be an issue. After all, if we get married I can sponsor her to immigrate for good and not just visit.


I don’t believe that is the reason.

That is most likely one of the main reasons for the refusal regardless of whether you are willing to accept it. We see people refused here all of the time for this reason. Yes - you can get married and sponsor her for PR - that's what IRCC wants you to do. What IRCC does not like and tries to prevent is individuals coming here on visitor visas who have plans to remain long term. Based on how your friend put together the application and the amount of evidence included focusing on you, IRCC likely drew the natural conclusion that there could be plans for a longer stay. Again, best option if you want to reapply is to focus as much as possible on having your friend provide strong evidence of ties (including having the finances to pay for this trip independently) - and minimizing the focus on your relationship.

In the end, it doesn't matter what you or any of us think should be an issue - all that matters is how IRCC assesses application. We are trying to help you by explaining how IRCC completes these assessments and what are the most likely reasons your friend was refused. You are obviously free to ignore this advice.

 

[21Goose]

That is most likely one of the main reasons for the refusal regardless of whether you are willing to accept it. We see people refused here all of the time for this reason. Yes - you can get married and sponsor her for PR - that's what IRCC wants you to do. What IRCC does not like and tries to prevent is individuals coming here on visitor visas who have plans to remain long term. Based on how your friend put together the application and the amount of evidence included focusing on you, IRCC likely drew the natural conclusion that there could be plans for a longer stay. Again, best option if you want to reapply is to focus as much as possible on having your friend provide strong evidence of ties (including having the finances to pay for this trip independently) - and minimizing the focus on your relationship.

In the end, it doesn't matter what you or any of us think should be an issue - all that matters is how IRCC assesses application. We are trying to help you by explaining how IRCC completes these assessments and what are the most likely reasons your friend was refused. You are obviously free to ignore this advice.

Exactly this. People get refused visitor visas all the time if IRCC thinks they are coming to get married and not leave the country. The visitor visa is to visit, not to enter Canada and stay for good. There are other pathways for that.

 

[Adil Sulehri]

Thanks a lot for the information!
I already called the Immigration Office and started the process.

How do you think the information can help? Any ideas?

You will be able to see rejection reasons in detail, for example (this is the case where my cousin mother's visa was rejected).

"Application and supporting documents reviewed. The applicant is seeking entry into Canada to visit her daughter. The following information was noted during my review of the documentation presented: - The applicant has limited or minimal funds according to documentation provided; -Host mentions he will cover the costs but no supporting document is provided; - The applicant has a declared no previous travel history. As a result of my careful review and considering all relevant factors presented, on balance, I am not satisfied the applicant is a genuine visitor who would comply with the conditions of temporary entry. Application is refused."

So, you can clearly see what Visa Officer's concerns are, you addresses those concerns and hopefully it will be approved.

 

[k.h.p.]

The eventual probable marriage should not be an issue. After all, if we get married I can sponsor her to immigrate for good and not just visit.


I don’t believe that is the reason.

It is a reason. Tourist visas are not supposed to be used as bridging points to PR applications. If the visa officer feels she could be coming to Canada to stay, then she is not a genuine visitor and the visa is refused. This happens a lot.

 

[canuck78]

Thanks for the feedback!

We did provide info on her employment, job history, social and economic ties to her country. My side was to show why she is interested to visit Canada. We also provided plans for her return back, and offered to provide guarantees for her return.

After all, if we decide to marry, we would not her to break her terms of stay here. We would either apply to extend her stay, or change her status. And, we can do all that either when she is in Canada or when she gets back to her country.

I don’t understand what the fuss is about visitors like he not returning to their country. Can Canadian government simply remove them from the country when they have clearly broken their terms of stay?

On the financial part of your feedback, if the government is interested to assure that she is not a financial burden to Canada, my undertaking with my healthy financial status and employment should be a positive thing. Why should it not?

It is really hard and expensive to remove a person who has entered Canada. The government also doesn’t/shouldn’t get involved in suing people who didn’t support visitors who entered Canada on vacation. If people can’t pay their trip on their own they will likely be refused a visa to enter Canada. Like many others if you want to marry a foreign national you’ll have to sponsor them while they live in their home country.

 

[Mohsenn]

That is most likely one of the main reasons for the refusal regardless of whether you are willing to accept it. We see people refused here all of the time for this reason. Yes - you can get married and sponsor her for PR - that's what IRCC wants you to do. What IRCC does not like and tries to prevent is individuals coming here on visitor visas who have plans to remain long term. Based on how your friend put together the application and the amount of evidence included focusing on you, IRCC likely drew the natural conclusion that there could be plans for a longer stay. Again, best option if you want to reapply is to focus as much as possible on having your friend provide strong evidence of ties (including having the finances to pay for this trip independently) - and minimizing the focus on your relationship.

In the end, it doesn't matter what you or any of us think should be an issue - all that matters is how IRCC assesses application. We are trying to help you by explaining how IRCC completes these assessments and what are the most likely reasons your friend was refused. You are obviously free to ignore this advice.

Thanks for the clarification. You’re right that our opinion does not matter and that of the officer matters. However, I’m trying to understand their rationale so I can address their concerns.