Refusal letter , idk what to do

[charmainefrances]

12 years age gap??? not a problem... Married to my husband who is 32 years older than me. Age is just a number people. He is a Mormon, I am a Catholic. He is a Canadian , I am a Filipina. Nothing is different when you love each other.

Order your foss (GMCS) notes. Good luck with everything! There is always sunshine after the rain!

 

[Tamineka]

Good luck and Happy Travels.
Keep us abreast of your travels, please.

Will be waiting to see what my MP can do for me and get the appeal process started before planning to uproot and move away for a time. We just got denied yesterday and it's all still fresh. Hoping to have the case re-opened. The VO was extremely unprofessional both in the interview and with upkeeping the ECAS and the online account. Both contradicting each other. Still as of now the online account status says open, interview complete and final decision not made. While ECAS says decision made but no info beyond that. Refusal letter specifically said "attached is a copy of the refusal letter sent to the applicants containing the reason(s) for refusal" but nothing was enclosed or attached.

 

[Aquakitty]

It was a quick marriage in that you spent very little time together in person, which is important.

What exactly is the timeline? When did you sponsor your first husband, when did it end, when did you start the next relationship, when did you meet him in person etc.

The age difference might be nothing to you but IRCC examines such things from the point of view of the applicant's culture. In Morocco, a woman being 12 years older than her husband is really not normal; however, it is often seen in a Marriage of Convenience situation.

Do you and your husband have the same religion? Language? Education level? Compatible looks?

No, it's not normal for Morocco. I was referencing the comment about being a mom at age 11. But as has been said in the other threads, they had multiple red flags. One red flag alone might not be enough for refusal, but combine that with the other issues and it's not so good.

It's unfortunate that things are this way, as it really is sexist, racist at the heart of it, but it's the only way to really deal with immigration fraud. If you are doing things way outside of what is normal for your country, and are from a very non-westernized country, prepare to have to answer these sorts of questions.

 

[Aquakitty]

Will be waiting to see what my MP can do for me and get the appeal process started before planning to uproot and move away for a time. We just got denied yesterday and it's all still fresh. Hoping to have the case re-opened. The VO was extremely unprofessional both in the interview and with upkeeping the ECAS and the online account. Both contradicting each other. Still as of now the online account status says open, interview complete and final decision not made. While ECAS says decision made but no info beyond that. Refusal letter specifically said "attached is a copy of the refusal letter sent to the applicants containing the reason(s) for refusal" but nothing was enclosed or attached.

Yea, that's a little odd. I'd suggest in your case, contacting the MP might actually be useful, it can't hurt anyways. You can also try sending an inquiry about the issue.

There's a good chance the officer believes you but not your husband. It's not like you are at old maid age, but you just don't have enough proof for your situation and immigration history.

 

[Sonynita]

Hi dear friends my interview was 20th January 2017 . After interview officer told me I need review more then I send you dessicon . 7 days passed away m.but unfortunately I didn't get anything about my dessicon

 

[carolbb23]

Will be waiting to see what my MP can do for me and get the appeal process started before planning to uproot and move away for a time. We just got denied yesterday and it's all still fresh. Hoping to have the case re-opened. The VO was extremely unprofessional both in the interview and with upkeeping the ECAS and the online account. Both contradicting each other. Still as of now the online account status says open, interview complete and final decision not made. While ECAS says decision made but no info beyond that. Refusal letter specifically said "attached is a copy of the refusal letter sent to the applicants containing the reason(s) for refusal" but nothing was enclosed or attached.

I am sorry, seems like this officer was unprofessional I think you have a good case did you see a lawyear yet. I would suggest you get MP to get to the bottom of this

 

[MaryL]

So what has become of your situation?

 

[BilalShaukat89]

I am from Pakistan and my wife is from Mexico. We have 17 years age difference. My wife submit our application last year. We receive our approval 2 and half month 26 July 2017. Upto now we never heard anything. In this week i will receive our notes. Hopefully we will hear good news inshah ALLAH. I am not afraid of age difference, culture and education. Trust on yourself and your partner as well, My wife Accept Islam. She is like a old generation. She absolutely agree the way we wear. She told me that i grow up in environment like that in Mexico in 1975 to 1990. So that's nothing to me to hear your culture dress and live in your environment. Yes at last we have education difference but my experience is that we have to defend our weakness by our strong point. That's the only way to defend it.
Remember us in your prayer.
Amen

 

[AmyR]

Im not sure but there is a clause where sponsors have a limit on when they can sponsor someone else after sponsoring previously.
Check with immigration lawyers in canada. iv read appeal cases take years and years to settle so i would definately consult a lawyer whether to go about reapplying (if that would suit ur case) or move towards appeal. Just meet and speak to a lawyer and see what they have to say
All the best

Thank you for your support in retaliation to that other person's horrible comment.

But also in reply to your comment, this was no "quick marriage" by any means. We were engaged for more than a year, and it literally took 6 weeks to even be able to get married in Morocco due to the absurd amount of paperwork, travelling, translating, stamping of documents in local ministries, photocopies, stress and headaches. Not to mention the cost of doing all of this!
My previous marriage went like this ... met him in Cairo while I was on vacation, spent 3 weeks there. I returned home, kept in contact. But not the same as amine454 and I, it was barely contact (I was stupid I know but whatever) returned a year later (was supposed to be for 3 weeks and turned into 4 months) got stuck in Egypt because of the revolution and all flights were grounded wasn't able to get a new flight out until may. So, ended up staying with him and his family, got married cuz I thought I was in love. Sponsored him and he came here.... one day I went to work, came home, and he was gone. No word as to why, or when, just left. Next day was served with a no-contact order for 3 years (this enabled his "escape" obviously) many months went by before I could find someone who could help me get contact enough to get a request for divorce he fled to Toronto, furthering difficulties. The divorce took until November 2015 to be finalised. By which time amine and I had been together nearly a year already. Law in Morocco states that a divorced woman must wait 3 months before remarriage to give the ex husband a chance to reconcile if he wishes. Amine and I married in April 2016 literally 60 hours before my scheduled flight home. We badly wanted to have a wedding and party with the family, but it simply wasn't possible with the little time we had left. All we could do was rest after our great ordeal that it took to get married, and try to enjoy the little time we had left.
I had attempted to change my flight to extend my stay, but next available booking wasn't until the middle of May, yet I was to report back to work April 22 two days after my arrival from Morocco. I called work and they told me it was ok to stay a little but I must report by May 1 or risk losing seniority and have to start from ground zero.
As for our age difference, it doesn't even feel like a difference, and what that person said about me being "past my prime" as far as child baring ... that's just ABSURD! I'm healthy and fertile. Can't believe someone would even say that.

 

[carolbb23]

Im not sure but there is a clause where sponsors have a limit on when they can sponsor someone else after sponsoring previously.
Check with immigration lawyers in canada. iv read appeal cases take years and years to settle so i would definately consult a lawyer whether to go about reapplying (if that would suit ur case) or move towards appeal. Just meet and speak to a lawyer and see what they have to say
All the best

but cases like op with cic agents and officer it's a red flag that is why they have to be tough basically they are ulimate judged I do not blame them and be careful who let them in

 

[trikiliki]

She already had passed the time frame for that, was not in default for her previous sponsorship, and was deemed eligible to sponsor again, both legally and in terms of being in a position to assume responsibility for this undertaking. That was already determined.

However it seems to have created a bias against the couple, which in conjunction with the red flags they have that are a common characteristic of marriage fraud for North Africa (age and culture in particular), seems to have affected the decision, regardless of all the proof of genuine relationship they submitted up front and in the interview.

Really though the age gap isn't that huge and 36 is hardly a grandma! Canadian women have access to great health care, have money to spend on beauty products, vitamins, creams, lotions, potions. Healthy living and physical activity (gym, yoga, sports, dogwalking, etc...) is part of the lifestyle here which helps with preservation and slower aging when compared with a woman of the same age living in harsher conditions in a country like Morocco where those activities are not commonly partaken by women. A 36 year old Canuck can be quite hot and seem a lot younger in comparison.

Not to mention times have changed a lot in terms of technology bringing people together and open mindedness regarding mixed marriages, and what was once seen as culturally abnormal or unusual is now quite common and not such a big deal.

By all means, weed out the obviously fraudulent cases and we don't know all the details of what went exactly on with this one. But unless he grossly underperformed in his interview, which does not sound at all like the case, this appears to be a very unfair decision that was made in advance. If applicants pass all eligibility and legal/security criteria, the only basis for decision should be whether it is a genuine relationship or not. Personal opinions on whether or not the couple should be together, past failed relationships, etc.. should not be used as a means to penalize.

In any case, she is lucky in that she is in a position to go and live with her husband while either appealing or reapplying which should make the next year or two more bearable and in doing so should strengthen their case for the future.

 

[carolbb23]

She already had passed the time frame for that, was not in default for her previous sponsorship, and was deemed eligible to sponsor again, both legally and in terms of being in a position to assume responsibility for this undertaking. That was already determined.

However it seems to have created a bias against the couple, which in conjunction with the red flags they have that are a common characteristic of marriage fraud for North Africa (age and culture in particular), seems to have affected the decision, regardless of all the proof of genuine relationship they submitted up front and in the interview.

Really though the age gap isn't that huge and 36 is hardly a grandma! Canadian women have access to great health care, have money to spend on beauty products, vitamins, creams, lotions, potions. Healthy living and physical activity (gym, yoga, sports, dogwalking, etc...) is part of the lifestyle here which helps with preservation and slower aging when compared with a woman of the same age living in harsher conditions in a country like Morocco where those activities are not commonly partaken by women. A 36 year old Canuck can be quite hot and seem a lot younger in comparison.

Not to mention times have changed a lot in terms of technology bringing people together and open mindedness regarding mixed marriages, and what was once seen as culturally abnormal or unusual is now quite common and not such a big deal.

By all means, weed out the obviously fraudulent cases and we don't know all the details of what went exactly on with this one. But unless he grossly underperformed in his interview, which does not sound at all like the case, this appears to be a very unfair decision that was made in advance. If applicants pass all eligibility and legal/security criteria, the only basis for decision should be whether it is a genuine relationship or not. Personal opinions on whether or not the couple should be together, past failed relationships, etc.. should not be used as a means to penalize.

In any case, she is lucky in that she is in a position to go and live with her husband while either appealing or reapplying which should make the next year or two more bearable and in doing so should strengthen their case for the future.

i am not a cic officer but you must understand there. job is tough

 

[scylla]

Will be waiting to see what my MP can do for me and get the appeal process started before planning to uproot and move away for a time. We just got denied yesterday and it's all still fresh. Hoping to have the case re-opened. The VO was extremely unprofessional both in the interview and with upkeeping the ECAS and the online account. Both contradicting each other. Still as of now the online account status says open, interview complete and final decision not made. While ECAS says decision made but no info beyond that. Refusal letter specifically said "attached is a copy of the refusal letter sent to the applicants containing the reason(s) for refusal" but nothing was enclosed or attached.

MPs can't change a decision unfortunately. You will have to go through the appeal process and there's great information and support in the appeals thread.

 

[trikiliki]

i am not a cic officer but you must understand there. job is tough

Agreed! They do have a very hard job, they are holding peoples lives in their hands and all the while encounter so many suspicious applications, they have to be cautious and diligent. But there is absolutely no cause or excuse for them to have a bad attitude going in to the interview or to prevent a person from presenting their evidence and giving them a fair chance.

 

[carolbb23]

Agreed! They do have a very hard job, they are holding peoples lives in their hands and all the while encounter so many suspicious applications, they have to be cautious and diligent. But there is absolutely no cause or excuse for them to have a bad attitude going in to the interview or to prevent a person from presenting their evidence and giving them a fair chance.

I have not experience an interview, sounds like she had a bad day or just angry but it's no excuse to do that or they may had her work on this case because of her history