Refusal letter , idk what to do

[jeffporfirio1]

I will post this here:

from another thread: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/urgent-t470846.30.html

An MP can only intervene if there was an administrative error which led to the refusal. A refusal based on the officer believing the marriage is a MOC is not an administrative error, it's a decision based on facts in front of the officer. The Sponsor can appeal the decision with IRB and that's pretty much the only option aside from reapplying. I personally know many people who dealt with the Rabat visa officers, including my husband and refusals are common if the following conditions are present:

Mixed marriage
Moroccan male applicant younger than the sponsor
Applicant never married and sponsor divorced or with kids from prior relationships
Met online
Little time spent in person before marriage
No proper traditional wedding ceremony (Moroccan weddings are really big)
Sponsor's culture different than that of applicant
Sponsor's religion different than that of applicant or sponsor converted to applicants religion just for marriage purposes but don't share the same religious views

Your case will get denied again, seems like immigration fraud.
Also, why are you creating multiple threads on the same subject?

 

[browning911]

Sorry about your refusal. It must be really hard for you both.

Would it be at all possible for you to go live in Morocco for a year and then resubmit your application again? I can imagine that it will be hard for you to uproot your life in Canada but that would strengthen your case when you reapply again. Of course that would depend on how long it takes to appeal and the costs involved in retaining a lawyer. Perhaps seek some legal advice before your make a decision.

Best of luck.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

But also in reply to your comment, this was no "quick marriage" by any means.

My previous marriage went like this ... The divorce took until November 2015 to be finalised. By which time amine and I had been together nearly a year already.

As for our age difference, it doesn't even feel like a difference, and what that person said about me being "past my prime" as far as child baring ... that's just ABSURD! I'm healthy and fertile. Can't believe someone would even say that.

It was a quick marriage in that you spent very little time together in person, which is important.

What exactly is the timeline? When did you sponsor your first husband, when did it end, when did you start the next relationship, when did you meet him in person etc.

The age difference might be nothing to you but IRCC examines such things from the point of view of the applicant's culture. In Morocco, a woman being 12 years older than her husband is really not normal; however, it is often seen in a Marriage of Convenience situation.

Do you and your husband have the same religion? Language? Education level? Compatible looks?

 

[jeffporfirio1]

It was a quick marriage in that you spent very little time together in person, which is important.

What exactly is the timeline? When did you sponsor your first husband, when did it end, when did you start the next relationship, when did you meet him in person etc.

The age difference might be nothing to you but IRCC examines such things from the point of view of the applicant's culture. In Morocco, a woman being 12 years older than her husband is really not normal; however, it is often seen in a Marriage of Convenience situation.

Do you and your husband have the same religion? Language? Education level? Compatible looks?

this.
The whole "scheme" smells bad.
Also, one question, Has any money exchanged between the Applicant and the Sponsor, in order for to get Sponsorship?

Hey, good luck on your case

 

[MonzB]

Thank you for your support in retaliation to that other person's horrible comment.

But also in reply to your comment, this was no "quick marriage" by any means. We were engaged for more than a year, and it literally took 6 weeks to even be able to get married in Morocco due to the absurd amount of paperwork, travelling, translating, stamping of documents in local ministries, photocopies, stress and headaches. Not to mention the cost of doing all of this!
My previous marriage went like this ... met him in Cairo while I was on vacation, spent 3 weeks there. I returned home, kept in contact. But not the same as amine454 and I, it was barely contact (I was stupid I know but whatever) returned a year later (was supposed to be for 3 weeks and turned into 4 months) got stuck in Egypt because of the revolution and all flights were grounded wasn't able to get a new flight out until may. So, ended up staying with him and his family, got married cuz I thought I was in love. Sponsored him and he came here.... one day I went to work, came home, and he was gone. No word as to why, or when, just left. Next day was served with a no-contact order for 3 years (this enabled his "escape" obviously) many months went by before I could find someone who could help me get contact enough to get a request for divorce he fled to Toronto, furthering difficulties. The divorce took until November 2015 to be finalised. By which time amine and I had been together nearly a year already. Law in Morocco states that a divorced woman must wait 3 months before remarriage to give the ex husband a chance to reconcile if he wishes. Amine and I married in April 2016 literally 60 hours before my scheduled flight home. We badly wanted to have a wedding and party with the family, but it simply wasn't possible with the little time we had left. All we could do was rest after our great ordeal that it took to get married, and try to enjoy the little time we had left.
I had attempted to change my flight to extend my stay, but next available booking wasn't until the middle of May, yet I was to report back to work April 22 two days after my arrival from Morocco. I called work and they told me it was ok to stay a little but I must report by May 1 or risk losing seniority and have to start from ground zero.
As for our age difference, it doesn't even feel like a difference, and what that person said about me being "past my prime" as far as child baring ... that's just ABSURD! I'm healthy and fertile. Can't believe someone would even say that.

did you explain this in your submission letter? did you went back to Marocco since the wedding?

I would definitely appeal it. my friend does immigration i will inbox you her number and tell her you got the number from me if she can provide you with some guidance.

 

[buonqua]

6 weeks for marriage paperwork is normal in Vietnam. Took me 6 months to get our marriage certificate and that is over 1 year from when we did the marriage ceremony. I've spent over 3 years now in Vietnam and 10 months since we submitted our application.

Hopefully you can see why your application was refused and it's not your fault. Not everyone knows what are red flags until problems arises and they seek help.

My advise would be to spend some actual face time or even sacrifice a bit of your life in Canada to be with your husband from now until your appeal hearing if you plan to go that route. Genuine marriages will always win in the end just takes time.

 

[Stevin]

A LIFETIME of difference? Some of you maybe, need to do some reading or something. Geez. There is very little difference between 24 and 36, to be honest. Are you sure you don't need glasses? When's the last time you saw an 11 year old mom. Bloody hell, people.

Based on your other thread, it had much more to do with your wife's past marriage, and your quick marriage with no ceremony this time. You need to start the appeal process. Order notes and see what exactly went wrong.


Your other option is to deal with the reasons in the notes, and reapply.

AquaKitty!! Your response is most perfect. With just the right amount of sarcasm. I would find it odd if age had anything to do with it. Look at my case, I am 33 and I am sponsoring my common law partner who is 55! Now THAT is what we call an age difference . Most likely has to do with the fact that she has previously sponsored before.

 

[CDNPR2014]

AquaKitty!! Your response is most perfect. With just the right amount of sarcasm. I would find it odd if age had anything to do with it. Look at my case, I am 33 and I am sponsoring my common law partner who is 55! Now THAT is what we call an age difference . Most likely has to do with the fact that she has previously sponsored before.

it's important to remember there are cultural differences around the world where a significant age difference or different religions would be considered suspicious. a lot of us are lucky to come from countries that accept these things as "normal" or "ok". unfortunately, not all couples have that privilege and their threshold for proving a legitimate relationship is much higher than someone from the US, UK, Australia, NZ, etc. While the couples are seeking residency for Canada, the visa offices around the world need to consider "cultural norms" for the applicant's country of citizenship/residence. Those offices can certainly make assumptions/conclusions based on those norms, not the norms in Canada. It's definitely a tricky balance and the onus is on the applicant and sponsor to prove in their application why those "flags" shouldn't be "flags".

 

[canuck_in_uk]

AquaKitty!! Your response is most perfect. With just the right amount of sarcasm. I would find it odd if age had anything to do with it. Look at my case, I am 33 and I am sponsoring my common law partner who is 55! Now THAT is what we call an age difference . Most likely has to do with the fact that she has previously sponsored before.

Your spouse is American, so your situation is hugely different.

The Principal Applicant in this case is from Morocco, a very conservative Islamic country. A 24 year old man marrying a 36 year old woman is far outside of the cultural norm.

 

[jeffporfirio1]

Your spouse is American, so your situation is hugely different.

The Principal Applicant in this case is from Morocco, a very conservative Islamic country. A 24 year old man marrying a 36 year old woman is far outside of the cultural norm.

Especially if money has changed hands, which at this point we do not know, and the OP has a history of sponsoring spouses and divorcing them.
For immigration official it is better to follow old Russian adage "it is better safe than sorry".

 

[Tamineka]

Especially if money has changed hands, which at this point we do not know, and the OP has a history of sponsoring spouses and divorcing them.
For immigration official it is better to follow old Russian adage "it is better safe than sorry".

No money has exchanged hands so I would really like it if you could refrain from drawing conclusions on matters that ur not well informed on. We are both Muslim, I've lived and taught English in Morocco in the past totaling to 6 years spent within the country.
As for cultural differences, maybe if I had met him without all of my experience in Morocco, you could say it's huge, but in reality it's not.
My previous marriage dissolved due to difference in religion, his inability to stay faithful, and his blatant disrespect for my family. I went to work one day, and came home to him gone, the following day receiving a no-contact order from the local sheriff. This enabled his "escape" as it were. I fought long and hard for my divorce, which was not easy as he had moved Toronto (from Winnipeg) and had the no-contact order implemented.
By no means was this a marriage of convenience! It is genuine and we took special precautions when sending in our application making sure to have a great magnitude of supporting evidence backing our story.
Simply put, the interviewing officer was a real pill, and combatant to say the least. Aggressively throwing around accusations and, in my opinion, bullying my husband.
The age difference is NOT very odd in his culture and I have no idea where people are getting this insinuation from. Amine's own parents have an age difference of 5 years in which his mother is the eldest. His grandparents have the same situation only the age difference is 6 years. The prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) himself was only 25 when he married Khadijah who was 40 years old. Saying it's culturally unacceptable or uncommon is simply unfounded!

 

[Tamineka]

did you explain this in your submission letter? did you went back to Marocco since the wedding?

I would definitely appeal it. my friend does immigration i will inbox you her number and tell her you got the number from me if she can provide you with some guidance.

I mentioned all of this and then some. I have not gone back to Morocco as I was preparing for his arrival, moving into my own apartment (had a roommate and my husband and I require our own place) purchasing a new bed (old one was just a twin aize) and obtaining good winter gear rated for -40 to -60 as winters in Winnipeg are brutal for Canadians, nevermind a newcomer from a warm climate, and generally preparing our home for co-habitation. I will however be looking at all my options, and if I am required to go live with my husband in Morocco for some time, leaving my job, home, and pets, I will do so!

 

[jeffporfirio1]

I mentioned all of this and then some. I have not gone back to Morocco as I was preparing for his arrival, moving into my own apartment (had a roommate and my husband and I require our own place) purchasing a new bed (old one was just a twin aize) and obtaining good winter gear rated for -40 to -60 as winters in Winnipeg are brutal for Canadians, nevermind a newcomer from a warm climate, and generally preparing our home for co-habitation. I will however be looking at all my options, and if I am required to go live with my husband in Morocco for some time, leaving my job, home, and pets, I will do so!

Make sure your pets get well taken care of, please don't abandon them on the curb
Good Luck and Happy Travels in Morroco

 

[Tamineka]

Make sure your pets get well taken care of, please don't abandon them on the curb
Good Luck and Happy Travels in Morroco

Definitely won't be abandoning them at all! They are our family! I will simply be asking a friend or family member to care for them in my absense. I couldn't leave without making sure they are all well cared for and loved. Thank you for ur concern

 

[jeffporfirio1]

Definitely won't be abandoning them at all! They are our family! I will simply be asking a friend or family member to care for them in my absense. I couldn't leave without making sure they are all well cared for and loved. Thank you for ur concern

Good luck and Happy Travels.
Keep us abreast of your travels, please.