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[msgomez]

saqib143, the bottom line is you don't have to prove anything to anyone here. It doesn't matter if everyone else believes your relationship is genuine. You need to prove that to the IO officer that will now be handling your appeal. Gather everything you can.

The fact of the matter is (and I mean no disrespect) your wife is 20 years older than you, has children from a previous marriage and cannot support herself. You have to try to see things from the eyes of the IO officer. I've said this several times... they don't care if you miss one another & that it's hard for you being apart. Words mean nothing to an IO officer - they are there to study the facts and make thier decision and determine, with the help of the proof you've submitted, whether or not your relationship is a valid one.

 

[smart_saqib143]

BCguy and everyone else.

first of all i want to congratulate BCguy for being helper for the couple i am happy for that couple..

BCguy i do understand canadian point of view gay marraiges lesbian marraiges but not age diffrences....
but to me my religion is much more important and i dont want to hear anything bad about it.
Boujams to me my religion is same as it was from the very first day and it will be same till the end of this world our religion never changes holy quran's words are same as , as it were 1400 years ago for the sake of visa please dont comment on religion.

i dont want to prove anything here i will try to prove what i have to in the hearing..

if i hurt anyone with my comments , i am asking forgiveness Canada is democratic country here everyone has right to speak for justice just like lesbian women win the case which is not permitted in any religion.. let me speak for our life our marraige so what if our ages are different i dont want to hurt anyone... anyone of you think i am doing wrong here in this forum i will leave it..

 

[smart_saqib143]

stealth thanks friend...

 

[boujasim]

dude!!!! chill
mira, i didnt and iam NOT attacking islam, iam muslim, iam not talking about religion, ur the one who started talking about what the prophet used to do, all iam saying is MUSLIM SOCITIES AND NOT ISLAM AS A RELGION doesnt accept a 20 years old to marry a 40 years old with children,thats why an IO will consider ur relation not genuine,they judge based on whats normal in a society and whats not.not on islamic traditions and what the prophet used to do
and plz dnt come and lecture me about islam and my obligations towrds my religion, and WHO THE HEK talked about the quraan? i didnt say it has been changed nor did i say islam has changed, all i said is u cant compare what used to be done 1400 years ago to now,life changes,customs and traditions change.

oh an am sorry about what happend to the shia'a in wazerstan, hope ur not close.

 

[smart_saqib143]

can anyone guide me ... will i and my wife be insulted and mocked and pointed in the hearing on our relationship, we haven't filed the appeal yet, i will stop my wife from filing the appeal..

pointing fingers to our hearts...(((((((

 

[msgomez]

saqib143 when BCguy mentioned the lesbian couple, he was making point... and a great one at that! The point I think he was trying to make (BCguy please correct me if I'm wrong) is that no matter what the circumstances all cases have the potential to work out - even if you have to appeal and work at it and put in more work than usual it can work out just fine. Have faith.

And in boujasim's defense, he wasn't attacking islam at all! He is absolutely right and he's stating the facts. CIC doesn't take into consideration what Prophet Mohammed did "back in the day". Like I mentioned, the IO officer's base their decision on pure facts concerning your relationship. That's it, thats all! It is entirely up to you to prove your relationship to them.

It will do you no good to complain about the refusal at this point. Instead, I recommend you use all that energy to build a case for your appeal.

 

[smart_saqib143]

thank msgomez...

i will keep faith on we will put do more hard work to convince them.

Boujas didn't attack prophet muhammad, he will be right by his way so i think in my way(boujams friend dont take personally and forgive me and forget our talk about religion).. anyways i want to end talk about religions , we should rather talk how to help each other that is why we are here...

now where can we start from.. we have refusal letter where my wife has to send it? we dont have lawyer it needs counsel's name on it and family member names we dont have lawyer and few days left to file it can we file appeal without having lawyer as we can find lawyer later and how is the formal way to send appeal application?

 

[BCguy]

saqib143 when BCguy mentioned the lesbian couple, he was making point... and a great one at that! The point I think he was trying to make (BCguy please correct me if I'm wrong) is that no matter what the circumstances all cases have the potential to work out - even if you have to appeal and work at it and put in more work than usual it can work out just fine. Have faith.

And in boujasim's defense, he wasn't attacking islam at all! He is absolutely right and he's stating the facts. CIC doesn't take into consideration what Prophet Mohammed did "back in the day". Like I mentioned, the IO officer's base their decision on pure facts concerning your relationship. That's it, thats all! It is entirely up to you to prove your relationship to them.

It will do you no good to complain about the refusal at this point. Instead, I recommend you use all that energy to build a case for your appeal.

Correct,We had to build up a case with the 2 women visiting Family of Brazil woman in Brazil to show they accept her and taking pictures of them with family,Brazil girl going camping with Family of Canadian in Cuba including Canadian Woman s children.Pictures of them together in Christmas etc.So the CIC which did not thing relationship was genuine HAD to agree if they are together for Christmas,Family of Canadian accepts Brazilian,Family of Brazilian accepts Canadian etc,They were ruled genuine relationship.Because I have the visa officers manual,I know the things they need to make a positive decision.Not the Holy Quran Not the life of the Prophet praise be to Him,Btw I,m Christian,but showing respect.I have contacted my friend at CIC and he has given me hints to improve this case.God willing or Insh Allah,He will eventually get his visa I hope.

 

[BCguy]

thank msgomez...

i will keep faith on we will put do more hard work to convince them.

Boujas didn't attack prophet muhammad, he will be right by his way so i think in my way(boujams friend dont take personally and forgive me and forget our talk about religion).. anyways i want to end talk about religions , we should rather talk how to help each other that is why we are here...

now where can we start from.. we have refusal letter where my wife has to send it? we dont have lawyer it needs counsel's name on it and family member names we dont have lawyer and few days left to file it can we file appeal without having lawyer as we can find lawyer later and how is the formal way to send appeal application?

You reply you wish to appeal but would like a bit more time to build up your case,Continue our PM discussion and I will coach you to build up your case

 

[BCguy]

For the rest of you guys
Here is the proposed appeal outline Islam has a long tradition of women marrying younger men going back to the life of their Holy Prophet,A recent CBC documentary showed the life of a 25 year old nephew of Osaman Bin laden married to a 40 year old British woman.The young man was wealthy had no need to immigrate and did not.Our relationship over the past 5 years is genuine and loving because of the following evidences......It is not attempt to come to Canada because of.........Furthermore the following evidences.....prove that we comply with requirements to show our relationship is genuine and real

 

[smart_saqib143]

thats true BCguy...

if i will tell one more thing about my case i hope others not say i again talk personally, i have been offered marriage proposal from my uncle who is millionaire i denied because i not wanted to break my wife's heart...

 

[boujasim]

For the rest of you guys
Here is the proposed appeal outline Islam has a long tradition of women marrying younger men going back to the life of their Holy Prophet,A recent CBC documentary showed the life of a 25 year old nephew of Osaman Bin laden married to a 40 year old British woman.The young man was wealthy had no need to immigrate and did not.Our relationship over the past 5 years is genuine and loving because of the following evidences......It is not attempt to come to Canada because of.........Furthermore the following evidences.....prove that we comply with requirements to show our relationship is genuine and real

this wud be a very smart thing to say

 

[msgomez]

thats true BCguy...

if i will tell one more thing about my case i hope others not say i again talk personally, i have been offered marriage proposal from my uncle who is millionaire i denied because i not wanted to break my wife's heart...

You denied because you didn't want to break your wife's heart??? Maybe you should have denied because you love your wife and aren't interested in marrying anyone else. These are the kinds of things that will rub and IO officer the wrong way. And I don't understand; was your millionaire uncle going to arrange a marriage for you? What does the fact of him being a millionaire have to do with anything?

 

[smart_saqib143]

that visa officer lady asked me young guys like you want to go abroad to get out of your country...

i said i dont have any intention like this before meeting her haven't even think of going abroad in my life i have desire to go Saudia arabia thats all for hajj, but never thought of north america.

then i told her if i wanted to marry her for going abroad my uncle's only girl is still unmarried and they offered to marry her i had some pressure from my family too it was when first time my wife invited me to visit her in 2005 when i denied because i had promised my wife that i will be with her till last breath then how can i break that promise... i am standing on my words just because of love feelings come from love.

my cousin is in Australia there were around 16 thousand dollar over all estimate for him to go there on study visa now he studying there if i had intention to get out of my country any way then i could marry her as she is the only daughter of her parents and big wealth was offered i could go any part of the world with young wife but honestly my wife is better than any young woman of the world to me... i cant break her heart i cant live without her even my appeal will be refused i can not live without her and i will not live without her...

my education background is strong my uncle offered me office in Iran, his business is import export that but i would rather earn by my own hands than getting from someone else.. killing the feelings of others isn't my aim i dont want to be called cheater..

 

[msgomez]

saqib143 I have a question for you? How did you and your wife meet? Were you introduced?