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dpenabill

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Hello Everyone... I just need some guidance on how to proceed with my application as there seems to be a cessation investigation on my file.
MY TIMELINE:
Feb 2016- Got a Passport from home country embassy here in Canada, this was my first ever passport, i arrived Canada without a passport. (I was 17 at the time, My lawyer asked that i get a passport as it was required for identification for my Refugee claim).
March 2016- Refugee claim was accepted (fleeing persecution from Nigeria govt due to my sexuality), my passport was never collected/seized.
Feb 2018- I Applied for a travel document (application was returned due to some errors).
June 2018- Got PR under protected person status.
June 11 2019- visited home country (stayed 44 days). Told the CBSA that i visited my sick mom, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. he let me go, did not mention anything else. Never used my home country passport again until it expired in 2021.
November 2020- Applied for Citizenship
May 31 2021- Got travel document
July 2021- Traveled with my travel document to Benin. (stayed for about 50 days). was directed to CBSA for questioning upon my return, but when i got there, he said he was not sure why i was sent to him for questioning and asked me to go. Have not left the country since then.
Sept 2021- Passed citizenship test, got an email to send pages of my passport which i did. no updates, sent several enquiries, kept being told my application was being processed...
Sept 2023- got my Renewed PR card

There has been no update on my file since 2020, sent multiple enquiries, contacted MP multiple times, sent multiple emails, called multiple times... requested for three GCMS note, two from IRCC and one for CBSA.
  • The notes from IRCC-2023 showed location of my file as (GRANT Cessation), APP status- ON HOLD, Reason- Redacted.
  • IRCC-2024 showed location as (GRANT) I believe some information was redacted.
  • THE CBSA notes was a bit less redacted and showed a location of (GRANT-ASSESSMENT ANALYSIS-C), App status- ON HOLD, Reason- Suspended- Clearances.
I am not sure what this means. the notes kept saying "this application is suspended and non-routine". my marital status and address has not been updated even though i sent an inquiry to update my file months ago. I spoke briefly with a lawyer who has suggested that i wait it out and should not force the hand of IRCC, but i am not sure if that is the right thing to do as i would like a decision made on my application, this has really affected my mental health tremendously. Should i contact a different lawyer to file a mandamus? or truly wait it out? would this be giving them the time they need to build a stronger case against me?
should i send a LOE via email explaining why i had travel to visit my mom, and that i had no intention of re-availment even though i knew i should not have returned but the circumstances were dire... and add that I still very much fear persecution in my home country as a bisexual woman and have been married to a same sex partner for over a year now and would be persecuted if i was to loose my PR status and face deportation back to Nigeria? plus, i applied for a passport as a minor and my intentions at the time of application was solely to have a form of identification during my refugee claim... so many thoughts, I fear i might unwillingly admit to wrong doing and re-availment if I submit an LOE leaving me with less options if they do decide to go ahead with the cessation.
This is Lawyer-Up Time.

Speaking "briefly" with a lawyer is NOT enough. Better than getting advice here but still NOT enough.


I am extremely hesitant to suggest anything other than obtaining the best legal counsel you can BEFORE you push IRCC to take action.

Note that perhaps only a year ago, but at least a couple years ago, I'd likely have said something optimistic about only rarely seeing cessation proceedings based on one brief trip to the home country to visit an ill parent that did not somewhat soon result in being involved in a cessation proceeding. But in the last year, and even more so in the last few months, there have been numerous cases in which the Federal Courts have upheld cessation against PR-refugees who only traveled once to the home country.

No one here, including me, can reliably say how much risk there is of losing your status in Canada. There is at least a significant risk. It could be a high risk.

There might be very little a lawyer can do at this time other than waiting for CBSA/IRCC to make its next move. Should be obvious that it would not be a good idea to provoke CBSA/IRCC to formally begin cessation proceedings.

But in any event, you need to find a good lawyer, a lawyer you can trust, and work with that lawyer in making decisions about what to do and when to do it . . . this means getting a lawyer you trust BEFORE you take any further action with CBSA or IRCC.

Note: it is the trip to the home country that looms large, that is problematic, that and using the passport for this trip. If you had only gotten the passport and only used it in Canada for identification, the likelihood of a problem would be very low. But the travel to the home country is what causes you to be at risk. Do not just see a lawyer, but get a good lawyer to represent you.
 
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Gill$&@

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This is Lawyer-Up Time.

Speaking "briefly" with a lawyer is NOT enough. Better than getting advice here but still NOT enough.


I am extremely hesitant to suggest anything other than obtaining the best legal counsel you can BEFORE you push IRCC to take action.

Note that perhaps only a year ago, but at least a couple years ago, I'd likely have said something optimistic about only rarely seeing cessation proceedings based on one brief trip to the home country to visit an ill parent that did not somewhat soon result in being involved in a cessation proceeding. But in the last year, and even more so in the last few months, there have been numerous cases in which the Federal Courts have upheld cessation against PR-refugees who only traveled once to the home country.

No one here, including me, can reliably say how much risk there is of losing your status in Canada. There is at least a significant risk. It could be a high risk.

There might be very little a lawyer can do at this time other than waiting for CBSA/IRCC to make its next move. Should be obvious that it would not be a good idea to provoke CBSA/IRCC to formally begin cessation proceedings.

But in any event, you need to find a good lawyer, a lawyer you can trust, and work with that lawyer in making decisions about what to do and when to do it . . . this means getting a lawyer you trust BEFORE you take any further action with CBSA or IRCC.

Note: it is the trip to the home country that looms large, that is problematic, that and using the passport for this trip. If you had only gotten the passport and only used it in Canada for identification, the likelihood of a problem would be very low. But the travel to the home country is what causes you to be at risk. Do not just see a lawyer, but get a good lawyer to represent you.
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Gill$&@

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Hi i lost my pr card through refugee cessation after that i got inland spousal sponsorship and yesterday i received my new pr card can I able to visit back home without any trouble?
 

Lovmena

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thank you so much for your input…. I’ll do my research and find a good lawyer to consult…
This is Lawyer-Up Time.

Speaking "briefly" with a lawyer is NOT enough. Better than getting advice here but still NOT enough.


I am extremely hesitant to suggest anything other than obtaining the best legal counsel you can BEFORE you push IRCC to take action.

Note that perhaps only a year ago, but at least a couple years ago, I'd likely have said something optimistic about only rarely seeing cessation proceedings based on one brief trip to the home country to visit an ill parent that did not somewhat soon result in being involved in a cessation proceeding. But in the last year, and even more so in the last few months, there have been numerous cases in which the Federal Courts have upheld cessation against PR-refugees who only traveled once to the home country.

No one here, including me, can reliably say how much risk there is of losing your status in Canada. There is at least a significant risk. It could be a high risk.

There might be very little a lawyer can do at this time other than waiting for CBSA/IRCC to make its next move. Should be obvious that it would not be a good idea to provoke CBSA/IRCC to formally begin cessation proceedings.

But in any event, you need to find a good lawyer, a lawyer you can trust, and work with that lawyer in making decisions about what to do and when to do it . . . this means getting a lawyer you trust BEFORE you take any further action with CBSA or IRCC.

Note: it is the trip to the home country that looms large, that is problematic, that and using the passport for this trip. If you had only gotten the passport and only used it in Canada for identification, the likelihood of a problem would be very low. But the travel to the home country is what causes you to be at risk. Do not just see a lawyer, but get a good lawyer to represent you.
 

dpenabill

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Hi i lost my pr card through refugee cessation after that i got inland spousal sponsorship and yesterday i received my new pr card can I able to visit back home without any trouble?
If you obtained your current PR status legitimately and not as a refugee or protected person, travel to your home country should not risk cessation proceedings.

BUT if you had a lawyer assisting you through that process, that is who would be a far better source.

As I recently observed, the post-cessation scenario is a big, big subject with lots of tangents, a labyrinth of nuances, and tangled in technicalities. What you describe suggests you know more about that than what I have seen shared here. Personally I have only perused a bit of the post-cessation scene, just enough to see that the options are limited and the potential outcomes can be very severe. It appears you have navigated the post-cessation process sufficiently to again obtain status in Canada. And again, if you have done this legitimately your status in Canada should be secure, no restrictions on travel to the home country (other than the PR Residency Obligation of course).

Whether it is safe to go to your home country, whether you can travel there "without any trouble," depends more on conditions in the country you travel to.
 
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dpenabill

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Lack of Awareness of Consequences Cessation Case:

In the Tul Muntaha v. Canada, 2024 FC 1040, https://canlii.ca/t/k5lh6 decision, issued a few days ago, it appears that the RPD did not acknowledge or cite the Federal Court of Appeal decision in Camayo, which is here https://canlii.ca/t/jndkg and which is the definitive case prescribing the conjunctive three-part test for cessation, notwithstanding the RPD deciding this case well after the Camayo decision. It is NOT necessary for the RPD to specifically follow or even reference the Camayo FCA decision but it must nonetheless appropriately apply the well established conjunctive three-part test for cessation.

In this case the Federal Court, in a decision by Justice Gleeson, set aside the RPD's cessation determination because "the RPD failed to meaningfully grapple with the Applicants’ evidence and submissions in addressing the issue of intent to reavail. This error renders the decision unreasonable."

Unfortunately this decision does not address or illuminate much in regards to the particular facts underlying its conclusions that the RPD failed to adequately consider the PR-refugee's lack of awareness of the consequences arising from travel to the home country, and the PR-refugee's evidence as to precautions taken while in the home country.

A PR-refugee's lack of awareness of the consequences, that is that travel to the home country would constitute reavailment resulting in cessation of status in Canada, is a relevant consideration in assessing the PR-refugee's intention (to reavail home country protection), but such lack of awareness "is not necessarily determinative." In many of the other cessation decisions cited above, the PR-refugee's lack of awareness of the consequences has failed to rebut the presumption of intent to reavail. Based on that I have often commented that despite Camayo clearly declaring this to be a relevant consideration, it has not carried much weight in decisions by the RPD and many FC justices, largely given it is NOT a definitive factor.

Justice Gleeson, however, states that the lack of awareness of consequences "is of significant relevance" to whether the presumption of intent to reavail has been rebutted, and as I understand the decision (this is not stated nearly as clearly as I would like to see), for the RPD's decision to be reasonable it should have supported its analysis that the lack of awareness was not sufficient to rebut the presumption of intention.

I do not know that this offers much hope for others that asserting lack of awareness of the consequences will carry much weight in their case. Despite Camayo, and this and a couple other cases, in most cases this factor seems to be given rather little weight if not rather easily dismissed.

While this is another ONE trip case, it is interesting that the RPD characterized a 53 day trip as "lengthy" and "for an extended period of time," and even though it was to be with a dying grandparent, "not strictly necessary" (other relative were caring for the grandparent).

There is no explanation indicating what triggered the commencement of cessation proceedings around three years AFTER the trip to the home country.

Also of note: one of the PR-refugees in this case is a minor. The RPD concluded that given the child's age they were "unable to have an intention different from that of her mother."

My sense is that perhaps Justice Gleeson was swayed by the harshness of this cessation decision. But, my sense is also that cases like this also indicate that CBSA and IRCC are more or less strictly enforcing cessation for those who travel to the home country. As I have mentioned recently, a year or more ago it was not apparent that single trips to the home country were typically resulting in cessation proceedings. A case like this, which was based on a single home country trip back in 2018, illustrates otherwise.

The latter demands a CAUTION: obviously, there is a huge lag in time involved in these cases which means what we know is inherently dated.
 
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yellowpepper

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Aside from being a terrible person for doing this, would you report someone to immigration for the following? This person claimed to be a refugee from an African country for being LGBT, specifically a lesbian. They came to Canada, claimed asylum, married a man and had a couple kids. They have now went back to their home country for more than 8 months even though they are not yet a citizen and claimed asylum from that home country as it is apparently unsafe for them.
They transited through a third country to get there, so I am not sure CBSA will notice their re-availment when they come back to Canada. Clearly they are not in fear if they've gone back for over 8 months imo.
 
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Gill$&@

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Aside from being a terrible person for doing this, would you report someone to immigration for the following? This person claimed to be a refugee from an African country for being LGBT, specifically a lesbian. They came to Canada, claimed asylum, married a man and had a couple kids. They have now went back to their home country for more than 8 months even though they are not yet a citizen and claimed asylum from that home country as it is apparently unsafe for them.
They transited through a third country to get there, so I am not sure CBSA will notice their re-availment when they come back to Canada. Clearly they are not in fear if they've gone back for over 8 months imo.
if he is out of canada for more then 8 months on refugee pr he is already in trouble
 

dpenabill

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The reference to this decision by Associate Judge Trent Horne, in Slepcsik v. Canada (Citizenship & Immigration), 2024 FC 1106 (CanLII), https://canlii.ca/t/k5spp is appreciated . . . noting nonetheless that in regards to cessation it merely affirms that the issues raised in "Gnanapragasam," which are the Charter challenges discussed at some length above (which obviously many affected by cessation are hoping is successful; this is about the constitutionality of the automatic loss of PR status upon a determination of cessation for reavailment) are still being litigated in the pending Slepcsik case. Unlike the Gnanapragasam case, however, the Canadian Council for Refugees has been denied party status.

I have previously somewhat discussed the intervention aspects, but that is a subject well beyond what I am familiar with. I doubt this has any significant impact considering the extent to which the issues are fully addressed and argued in the materials before the court. This judge suggests that CCR may again obtain status if and when there is an appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal. Which is expected given the Charter arguments at stake.

I am not good at forecasting outcomes even in matters I am well familiar with. I am not well familiar with Canadian Charter challenges. But as I mentioned just awhile ago, given the steady stream of decisions affirming cessation resulting in loss of PR status my sense is the Charter challenge here is a long shot. A bet to place some hope on but not a bet to rely on.
 
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dpenabill

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The decision here, in Shrestha v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2024 FC 1117 (CanLII), https://canlii.ca/t/k5v92 is remarkably brief, if not outright blunt.

Probably shouldn't draw too many conclusions from this and it does not so much as hint of the Gnanapragasam Charter challenges, so says nothing about what the likely result of those challenges will be. But it is hard to not see decisions like this as further indication that Canada is strictly applying cessation to PR-refugees with little apprehension that the Charter challenges will be successful. Not good news for many. Cause to once again emphasize that PR-refugees should not obtain a home country passport, but if they have they should NOT use it for any travel, but if they have they should really avoid using it to travel to the home country.

Not that long ago I would have added that if they have used it to travel to the home country, to NOT do that again. While that remains true, it is increasingly apparent that those who have traveled to the home country even just once are very much at risk of losing status in Canada.
 
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Anonymoustd

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How about you mind your business ? What do you gain by doing that
Aside from being a terrible person for doing this, would you report someone to immigration for the following? This person claimed to be a refugee from an African country for being LGBT, specifically a lesbian. They came to Canada, claimed asylum, married a man and had a couple kids. They have now went back to their home country for more than 8 months even though they are not yet a citizen and claimed asylum from that home country as it is apparently unsafe for them.
They transited through a third country to get there, so I am not sure CBSA will notice their re-availment when they come back to Canada. Clearly they are not in fear if they've gone back for over 8 months imo.