Reference letter duties vs NOC duties

[savva]

Hi folks,

I have my application almost 100% ready and I'm only concerned about one thing - one of my ref letters doesn't meet the noc duties 100% and since I've seen a lot of people got rejected specifically because of that - I want to see what you have to say before I send it.

I've worked for 6 months as a Materials Coordinator and I feel I fell under NOC 1225 (Purchasing agents and officers), here are the duties from hrds site for this NOC:

•Purchase general and specialized equipment, materials, land or access rights, or business services for use or for further processing by their establishment
•Assess requirements of an establishment and develop specifications for equipment, materials and supplies to be purchased
•Invite tenders, consult with suppliers and review quotations
•Determine or negotiate contract terms and conditions, award supplier contracts or recommend contract awards
•Establish logistics of delivery schedules, monitor progress and contact clients and suppliers to resolve problems
•Negotiate land acquisition or access rights for public or private use, and may conduct field investigations of properties
•May hire, train or supervise purchasing clerks.

Here's what my manager gave me under duties:
-Cheking current status of inventory on hand of Raw Materials, Work in progress materials, as well as ready to ship items
-Assist in the creating and implementation of West Hill AIB program for food safety
-Assisted in supply plan to make sure right products are available when they are needed
-trained to be back-up in the absence of Logistics, Production pfficer and Shipping Supervisor
-Assisted in managing delivery shcudules, tracking progress and resolve any isuues
-Coordinate movement of materials inside the plant, verifying space and storage location

What do you think?

 

[jes_ON]

I have my application almost 100% ready and I'm only concerned about one thing - one of my ref letters doesn't meet the noc duties 100% and since I've seen a lot of people got rejected specifically because of that - I want to see what you have to say before I send it.

well... they aren't refused because the duties don't match 100%. Most are refused because their duties match a Level C NOC, but they try to "upskill" themselves to a skilled NOC. I'm not saying I agree with the "skill" classifications, but, VOs follow the rules...

But yes, you should be concerned, because I don't think the duties provided by your manager match your chosen NOC... there is no "purchasing" in your job description! It doesn't have to be a perfect fit with all the duties, but the lead statement is essential...

Take a look at:
http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/NOC/2011/ProfileKeyword.aspx?val=1&val1=1215&val11=inventory&val12=0&val13=0&val14=&val15=0&val16=0

And see if your manager will clarify your job description - you sound a bit like an assistant manager, so if you have ANY supervisory duties, that should be added to your job description to strengthen the fit with NOC 1215... because there is a risk that the VO would see you as an inventory control worker (Skill Level C).

 

[savva]

Jes, thanks a lot for your reply!

The thing is - I don't really have an option now to add more supervisory duties on that letter, so I should use what I have and keep fingers corssed.

The other thing is - since march this year I have been working the position that sounds really like Administrative Assistant or Officer. Right now I'm not including this in my application, should I try to include it and as well - thus I will have a cumulative of almost 2 years, of which 9 months would be with very strong reference letter and other 2 would be so-so.. almost there...

My other question is - does the english score add extra points or it's just pass/fail - I'm applying under B category but scored CBLT - 9 (Ielts - L-9;R-8.5;W-7;S-7; total - 8)

Also, from what I can see there is no difference anymore between Post Graduation stream in CEC and regular worker. I graduated with a 3 year diploma from Canadian instituion- but it seems I'm treated the same as any person who could just come here on a WP. Is that true?

Hope for your help guys. :

 

[jes_ON]

The thing is - I don't really have an option now to add more supervisory duties on that letter, so I should use what I have and keep fingers corssed.

So... what you're saying is that you no longer work for that employer, and getting a new letter would be difficult, is that correct? Ask yourself, which would be more difficult - asking for a new letter, or being refused...?

If it really is impossible, did you have a contract or written job offer, or LMO that supports the skill level, that you could add?

The other thing is - since march this year I have been working the position that sounds really like Administrative Assistant or Officer. Right now I'm not including this in my application, should I try to include it and as well - thus I will have a cumulative of almost 2 years, of which 9 months would be with very strong reference letter and other 2 would be so-so.. almost there...

Unfortunately, at the moment, Admin Asst and Admin Officer (two different NOCs) are two of the 6 skilled occupations excluded from the CEC class -
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/apply-how.asp

My other question is - does the english score add extra points or it's just pass/fail - I'm applying under B category but scored CBLT - 9 (Ielts - L-9;R-8.5;W-7;S-7; total - 8)

Alas, it's pass/fail only, but you can still feel good about those scores : ) . If you want brownie points, you can always apply under the FSW class... which might not be a bad option, if you can get a permanent job offer from your current employer...

Also, from what I can see there is no difference anymore between Post Graduation stream in CEC and regular worker.
Correct. That was eliminated a while ago... it's a single steam now.

I graduated with a 3 year diploma from Canadian instituion- but it seems I'm treated the same as any person who could just come here on a WP. Is that true?

Umm... recognizing that it's usually easier to come here as a student and get a PGWP, than to obtain a TWP... yes, that's true.

Don't know how long ago you graduated, but that may give you other options, depending on your province - Provincial Nominee Program (PNP) for Ontario (Opportunities Ontario) has streams for students...
http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/OI/en/pnp/index.htm

You potentially have a number of routes to PR, and there is no restriction on the number of applications you file, so if I were you, I would consider other classes in addition to CEC...

 

[savva]

The other thing is - since march this year I have been working the position that sounds really like Administrative Assistant or Officer. Right now I'm not including this in my application, should I try to include it and as well - thus I will have a cumulative of almost 2 years, of which 9 months would be with very strong reference letter and other 2 would be so-so.. almost there...

Unfortunately, at the moment, Admin Asst and Admin Officer (two different NOCs) are two of the 6 skilled occupations excluded from the CEC class -
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/cec/apply-how.asp

Yes I do realize that.. but it turns out that I'm only missing basically 2 months of experience if two of my positions will be unqualified.
So my options with CEC is:
1) apply without my current position (which is most likely Administrative Officer) and just mention my current position in the backgorund info
2) apply with my current position but don't put NOC in (put as UNKOWN) and let the VO make a desicion. With this option I will be claiming almost 2 years qualified experience, in which 9months are covered by a very strong ref letter, other 5 months - letter that i mentioned in thread which is a little weak and finally my last 5 months at the position which will most likely be considered as a Administrative Officer/Assistant

Which way is better? I will take a look at all other options I have.

P.S. On all of the forms, in date section, how to put in to: Present.. I read here that I should put today day than print out cross off and put present in hand writing.

 

[savva]

:'(

 

[jes_ON]

Yes I do realize that.. but it turns out that I'm only missing basically 2 months of experience if two of my positions will be unqualified.
So my options with CEC is:
1) apply without my current position (which is most likely Administrative Officer) and just mention my current position in the backgorund info
Well, that would be following the rules, but you will be refused if you only have 10 months of qualified experience.

2) apply with my current position but don't put NOC in (put as UNKOWN) and let the VO make a desicion.
likely would be an automatic rejection of the experience, no difference from 1)

I will take a look at all other options I have.
It sounds like you know you won't qualify under CEC, so this is what I suggest.



P.S. On all of the forms, in date section, how to put in to: Present.. I read here that I should put today day than print out cross off and put present in hand writing.

You can do that...