really confused again

[Remrov]

I'm just getting readu to fill out the form 'statutory declaration of common law union' and I find myself totally confused again.

Here's the link: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5409E.PDF

The first part of the form....
'We (name of declarant) and (name of declarant partner) etc. I constantly thought that we had to sign this as common law partners, but now I see the sentence is: 'solemnly declare that we have cohabited in a conjugal relationship for.....continous years from ..... to ........

I wanted to fill out the dates we lived here together in the Netherlands as common law partners, but conjugal relationship means that you live apart right?
What do we have to fill out now?
I thought this whole form was about common law partners.

 

[Remrov]

I see that above this first part of this form it says 'if applicable'. Maybe you only have to fill out this part when you are conjugal partners, and you leave it blank when you are common law partners?
And then we start with the actual first question?

 

[Yasmine_GRL]

Hi, my fiancee completed the form, went with it to get legalized, the notary refused to do it since I wasn't present. He sent the form as it was completed and a side note explaining why it wasn't legalized

We are also under Conjugal.

We didn't have any problems with the sponsorship approval based on that. My application isn't in process yet, but for sure it won't be a problem.

I wanted to ask him not to it since it didn't apply, but he felt he wanted to try, I thought it wouldn't be a bad idea as proof of what we actually think of our relationship ;D

 

[Creampop]

Your are thinking about conjugal partner as far as the CIC goes, lets think outside the box, some boyfriends and girlfriends,and all husbands and wives are in conjugal relationships. the true definition of conjugal(websters).... "of or relating to the married state or to married persons and their relations <conjugal happiness> " it just means you are in a sexual relationship... I know it's confusing but you lived together for atleast a year so you are common-law but you are still in a conjugal relationship.

Hi, my fiancee completed the form, went with it to get legalized, the notary refused to do it since I wasn't present. He sent the form as it was completed and a side note explaining why it wasn't legalized

As far as getting something notarized the notary can only notarize what s/he is witness to so any signatures that s/he will be notarizing must be blank and signed in front of the notary therefore the paper will actually have to be notarized twice if you are not together....

 

[Rob_TO]

The first part of the form....
'We (name of declarant) and (name of declarant partner) etc. I constantly thought that we had to sign this as common law partners, but now I see the sentence is: 'solemnly declare that we have cohabited in a conjugal relationship for.....continous years from ..... to ........

'solemnly declare that we have cohabited in a conjugal relationship' = the very definition of common-law.

The 'cohabited' (living together) part is what defines common-law and separates it from just conjugal partner. So don't worry, this is indeed for common-law couples. A conjugal couple only could not sign this form, since they have not "cohabited" for 1 year.

 

[Remrov]

Thank you all so much again!!!
If I would have created all those forms, I would have made it a lot more understandable for people, honestly.....I'm excelent at solving the most difficult puzzles but all the immigration forms......

Well, at least I can continue now. Thanks again everybody!!!!

 

[Remrov]

Another question...

A quote from the form: 'my common law partner and I jointly own property other than our residence'

What does 'property' mean is this sentence?

Does it mean a house, appartment, cabin, or something else you can live in. Or can it also mean a couch, a piano, a computer etc?

 

[Creampop]

This is a tricky question, as when thinking of property 1st thing that comes to mind is of course land, but when you think about it your property is everything that belongs to you so, I would take it this way as things that belong to you and your spouse together of course this is just my opinion... :

 

[Rob_TO]

Another question...

A quote from the form: 'my common law partner and I jointly own property other than our residence'

What does 'property' mean is this sentence?

Does it mean a house, appartment, cabin, or something else you can live in. Or can it also mean a couch, a piano, a computer etc?

It needs to be something that requires a contract to show proof of ownership. So this limits it to major things like a house or car.

 

[Remrov]

Okay, I was already affraid of that. We don't have that. Unfortunately.

 

[Sweden]

Okay, I was already affraid of that. We don't have that. Unfortunately.

Don't worry about it - it's not what define a relationship, and since you're apart it's even more reasonable. What is important is that you have lived together for at least 12 months, which you have.
On top of that, you are on the "next lease" for the apartment in Montreal, so you are clearly intending to continue your life together, that's what the VO wants to see! and you have spent 2 months in Canada when it was possible for you - so with all of that, the VO will see that :
1-you are in a common law relationship
2-your relationship is continuous to the best of your abilities, even if you are not living together for the moment because you are waiting for the PR.

You'll have plenty of time later to have a car/house etc!
Sweden

 

[Remrov]

Okay,

Thank you very much!!!

 

[Creampop]

It needs to be something that requires a contract to show proof of ownership. So this limits it to major things like a house or car.

Not entirely true... think outside the box... couples have joint credit cards therefore they are purchasing things together, also as stupid as it sounds sometimes people are short on cash and will go to places like rent-a-center with both names on the account they again are purchasing it together, I was on my husband CC account before we were even married, while living in the states, as we are always told whatever will prove your case.