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Biplab Barua

Member
Jun 8, 2016
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Dear Sir,

My PR card will expire on Feb 21,2019 and i was in canada from Dec 27,2013 to March 25,2014. Now, am i eligible to re-enter in canada as still i have 730 days in hand to comply the residency obligation.

Pls notify me.

Biplaba
 

ASAINI

Star Member
Apr 27, 2010
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Biplab Barua said:
Dear Sir,

My PR card will expire on Feb 21,2019 and i was in canada from Dec 27,2013 to March 25,2014. Now, am i eligible to re-enter in canada as still i have 730 days in hand to comply the residency obligation.

Pls notify me.

Biplaba
Though you have the time to be here no later than 24th Dec, 2016 (1094 days) ideally you should come here in Sept-Oct 2016 as you should not cut the days too close.
Also, please keep in mind that you have to be in Canada for at least 730 days in last 5 years from the date of landing to maintain residency obligation.
 

dpenabill

VIP Member
Apr 2, 2010
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Reminder: the dates on the PR card are largely irrelevant for purposes of the PR Residency Obligation.

For a PR who landed and became a PR within the previous five years, what really matters is not being outside Canada for more than 1094 days since the date of landing.

For a PR who landed more than five years ago, what really matters is always having been in Canada at least 730 days within the previous five years. Always.

Only relevant date on the PR card is the date indicated that the individual became a PR, and this is only relevant, for PR RO purposes, during the first five years after that date. In particular, the date the PR card expires is not relevant.
 

Almost_Canadian

Star Member
Dec 2, 2015
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Please recheck the date you landed and became a PR. Counting of 730 days out of 5 years starts from that date and not date of issue of your PR Card.
 

Biplab Barua

Member
Jun 8, 2016
15
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dpenabill said:
Reminder: the dates on the PR card are largely irrelevant for purposes of the PR Residency Obligation.

For a PR who landed and became a PR within the previous five years, what really matters is not being outside Canada for more than 1094 days since the date of landing.

For a PR who landed more than five years ago, what really matters is always having been in Canada at least 730 days within the previous five years. Always.

Only relevant date on the PR card is the date indicated that the individual became a PR, and this is only relevant, for PR RO purposes, during the first five years after that date. In particular, the date the PR card expires is not relevant.
Since i was in canada for 85 days from the date of landing (December 27,2013) so it should include in 730 days and this case if i re-enter on March 01,2017, is it ok for renewing PR card. Pls advice.
 

Biplab Barua

Member
Jun 8, 2016
15
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Almost_Canadian said:
Please recheck the date you landed and became a PR. Counting of 730 days out of 5 years starts from that date and not date of issue of your PR Card.
I became PR on December 27,2013 and was in canada upto March 25,2014. Which means i can re-enter on March 20,2017 and can apply for renewing PR card on Decmber 28,2018, my residency obligation 730 days will fulfill. Pls advice.
 

ttrajan

Champion Member
Oct 14, 2013
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Category........
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Job Offer........
Yes
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15-08-2012
Yes. But PR card may be delayed for years if you stay only 2 years?
 

Biplab Barua

Member
Jun 8, 2016
15
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Almost_Canadian said:
Please recheck the date you landed and became a PR. Counting of 730 days out of 5 years starts from that date and not date of issue of your PR Card.
My PR date is December 28,2013 and the immediate next 5 yrs will be ended on December 27,2018. I was physically present in Canada up to March 25,2014 e.i 87 days. After deducting 87 days from 730 days it will remain 643 days which will fulfill if i re-enter on March 15,2017.

Kindly advice whether border service agency will allow me to re enter on March 15,2017 as still i have chance to comply residency obligation of rest (730 days-87 days)=643 days if i stay Canada upto December 27,2018.
 

dpenabill

VIP Member
Apr 2, 2010
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Biplab Barua said:
My PR date is December 28,2013 and the immediate next 5 yrs will be ended on December 27,2018. I was physically present in Canada up to March 25,2014 e.i 87 days. After deducting 87 days from 730 days it will remain 643 days which will fulfill if i re-enter on March 15,2017.

Kindly advice whether border service agency will allow me to re enter on March 15,2017 as still i have chance to comply residency obligation of rest (730 days-87 days)=643 days if i stay Canada upto December 27,2018.
As a Canadian Permanent Resident, you are entitled to enter Canada. You will be allowed to enter Canada.

The real question is whether or not you will be allowed to enter Canada without being reported for a breach of the PR Residency Obligation (which would be the process pursuant to which your PR status could be terminated for failing to meet the PR RO).

If you landed and became a PR on December 28, 2013, as long as you have not been outside Canada for 1095 or more days since that day (December 28, 2013), you are in compliance with the PR RO. Thus, if you return to Canada in time to avoid being abroad 1095 days, you should NOT be reported for being in breach of the PR RO.

But you are indeed cutting-it-close and that tends to have some risks. If, for example, you arrive at a Canadian PoE on March 15, 2017, and it is apparent you were last in Canada on March 25, 2014, that means you have been abroad at least 1086 days since you landed. At best, that is, you are merely nine days away from being in breach of the PR RO.

Technically, the burden of proof is on you, so technically you might need to affirmatively prove you were actually in Canada all those days between December 28, 2013 and March 25, 2014. If CBSA or IRCC perceives it is likely you were outside Canada 10 or more of those days, you could be determined to be in breach of the PR RO, subject to being reported and issued a departure order, which you would have to appeal in order to keep PR status. (Even if reported for a breach of the PR RO, you would still be ENTITLED to enter Canada, and would indeed be allowed to enter.)

Practically, with nearly two years left before the fifth anniversary of the day you landed, unless there is something else about you or your situation causing concern, it is more likely there will be little or no problem so long as you return by mid-March.

That said, a caution about how long you need to stay is warranted:

Remember, once you reach December 27, 2018, days more than five years ago no longer count toward meeting the PR RO . . . thus, from December 28, 2018 to March 25, 2019, you will be losing a day for every day you stay and gain one.

Thus, at this juncture, you would have to remain in Canada beyond the December 27, 2018 date to stay in compliance with the PR RO. After December 27, 2018 you will need to have been present in Canada at least 730 days within the preceding five years. That is, basically, you will have to stay a full two years from the date of your arrival, in March, in order to stay in compliance with the PR RO . . . and again, if you left soon after the two years pass, that too would be cutting-it-close and that is risky . . . and I believe it gets a lot more risky after the first five years.
 

Biplab Barua

Member
Jun 8, 2016
15
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Tks
dpenabill said:
As a Canadian Permanent Resident, you are entitled to enter Canada. You will be allowed to enter Canada.

The real question is whether or not you will be allowed to enter Canada without being reported for a breach of the PR Residency Obligation (which would be the process pursuant to which your PR status could be terminated for failing to meet the PR RO).

If you landed and became a PR on December 28, 2013, as long as you have not been outside Canada for 1095 or more days since that day (December 28, 2013), you are in compliance with the PR RO. Thus, if you return to Canada in time to avoid being abroad 1095 days, you should NOT be reported for being in breach of the PR RO.

But you are indeed cutting-it-close and that tends to have some risks. If, for example, you arrive at a Canadian PoE on March 15, 2017, and it is apparent you were last in Canada on March 25, 2014, that means you have been abroad at least 1086 days since you landed. At best, that is, you are merely nine days away from being in breach of the PR RO.

Technically, the burden of proof is on you, so technically you might need to affirmatively prove you were actually in Canada all those days between December 28, 2013 and March 25, 2014. If CBSA or IRCC perceives it is likely you were outside Canada 10 or more of those days, you could be determined to be in breach of the PR RO, subject to being reported and issued a departure order, which you would have to appeal in order to keep PR status. (Even if reported for a breach of the PR RO, you would still be ENTITLED to enter Canada, and would indeed be allowed to enter.)

Practically, with nearly two years left before the fifth anniversary of the day you landed, unless there is something else about you or your situation causing concern, it is more likely there will be little or no problem so long as you return by mid-March.

That said, a caution about how long you need to stay is warranted:

Remember, once you reach December 27, 2018, days more than five years ago no longer count toward meeting the PR RO . . . thus, from December 28, 2018 to March 25, 2019, you will be losing a day for every day you stay and gain one.

Thus, at this juncture, you would have to remain in Canada beyond the December 27, 2018 date to stay in compliance with the PR RO. After December 27, 2018 you will need to have been present in Canada at least 730 days within the preceding five years. That is, basically, you will have to stay a full two years from the date of your arrival, in March, in order to stay in compliance with the PR RO . . . and again, if you left soon after the two years pass, that too would be cutting-it-close and that is risky . . . and I believe it gets a lot more risky after the first five years.
Tks for your nice reply. If i can produce boarding pass, air ticket, bank activities etc at POE as an evident that i was physically present between December 28,2013 to March 25,2014, i shall be OK to comply RO. In this process, I can apply for renewing my PR on January,2019 for further five years. Kindly advise.
 

Biplab Barua

Member
Jun 8, 2016
15
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Dear Members,

Kindly advice us considering followings:

# Me and my wife with two Children(4 members)became PR since Dec 28,2013. Then we came back home after staying three months in Canada.
# On 25th January of this year we have landed Toronto with my family without reporting by CBSA.
# I came back home on February 05, 2018 for quieting job and will re enter Canada on March 10,2018.
# My family with two child is now staying Canada.

Kindly inform, what will happen if CBSA report me. If their any chance to win appeal under human ground as my family resided in Canada. Which types of documents i need to produce to increase chance to win appeal.

If i loose my PR status in appeal due to non complying RO will they issue departure order for my whole family or individually for me.

Our PR card is valid up to March 21,2019.

Kindly inform us.

Regds,

Biplab Barua
Dhaka, Bangladesh