"Ray of hope" thread for 41st draw.

[JALT]

I know this is the Ray of Hope thread so I hesitate to add this, but the way EE is set up with a one year expiry on all applications to pool, there shouldnt be a back up as there was in the previous process. People will find other opportunities and life changes. No one can predict how the CRS will be set from one month to the next. Work toward your goals and find joy in your life. All the best.

Well here's a ray of hope... just the bottom bit about students getting extra points.
I know we've heard it all before, and before that, and before that.... but now we have McCallum announcing his intentions to the media following round-table discussions on immigration in all the major cities (advertised by CIC news releases).

That has to be pretty much confirmed that something will happen to student's EE points in the not too distant future... like the upcoming 3-year immigration plan to be released this fall for example.... hopefully!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/chinese-immigration-canada-china-1.3725202

 

[JALT]

I am sorry Nick~Nick, I don't know what you mean exactly. Are you saying that in 3 to 4 months scores will go down? Or that OINP will be available again by then?

I think he's saying that for the next 3 or 4 months Ontario will be giving all the people in the OINP backlog (from October onward) their nominations and extra 600 points. So the EE draws will stay high. By the time OINP have finished giving out the 600 points and the scores are ready to come down, then OINP will be accepting more applications again.

 

[raven00090]

But this idea that PNP drives up the score does not logically relate to the number of invitations also being a factor for the scores going up as claimed by some people. I have read numerous times where people have said the scores would drop if the number of ITAs increased, but have seen no evidence of that. Because last year, if 450 was the cutoff for 1500 or so ITAs, at another point in time the same year, 470 + was the cutoff for around the same number of ITAs. This is mainly why I keep saying nobody can say with ANY accuracy, and even if they say anything about this, it's all merely opinions based on probably a pattern people think they've discovered.

 

[raven00090]

Also, people have been pinning hopes on that CIC official's video from YouTube where he said after September, they will significantly increase number of ITAs. And I understand that completely, being in similar situation, and have no problems with hoping for the positive. It just remains to be seen how much of any of this is true after all.

 

[raven00090]

Here's a suggestion if they were to entertain a sensible one (not mine, read this on Forbes earlier today) : Remove CEC out of EE, treat it as a separate stream as it was before. People who have already lived and worked here have done a lot and invested a lot both in terms of time and money to be here.

The cut-off of 490 and the constant 480-ish since March-April has been saddening to say the least.

 

[JALT]

But this idea that PNP drives up the score does not logically relate to the number of invitations also being a factor for the scores going up as claimed by some people. I have read numerous times where people have said the scores would drop if the number of ITAs increased, but have seen no evidence of that. Because last year, if 450 was the cutoff for 1500 or so ITAs, at another point in time the same year, 470 + was the cutoff for around the same number of ITAs. This is mainly why I keep saying nobody can say with ANY accuracy, and even if they say anything about this, it's all merely opinions based on probably a pattern people think they've discovered.

Yes I agree, there's no way of telling at all as we have no idea how many people are joining the pool every day who are not PNP - I'm just explaining what I think Nick~Nick said.

 

[JALT]

Here's a suggestion if they were to entertain a sensible one (not mine, read this on Forbes earlier today) : Remove CEC out of EE, treat it as a separate stream as it was before. People who have already lived and worked here have done a lot and invested a lot both in terms of time and money to be here.

The cut-off of 490 and the constant 480-ish since March-April has been saddening to say the least.

Someone would still complain though... probably about it not being fair that students taking diplomas in Canadian cookery courses would have a better chance of getting immigration over a skilled worker as the government allocated half-an-application more to CEC than EE

I'm not saying I would complain (before the forum backlash starts....), just saying that somewhere some killjoy would find a fault in even Forbes sensible plan :-X

Oh dear, I think I sound bitter...

 

[raven00090]

Well I do too nowadays, because I feel the same sense of frustration and sadness as others here, having to leave while pinning hopes on the scores eventually dropping. OINP would no longer apply to me even if it opened again, because the international student stream's requirement will no longer be passed by me (of passing from a Canadian college/uni in last two years; it will be two years for me in two months). The only other option from OINP would then be the Human Capital stream but even that would be far more difficult for me because of proof of funds of $12,000 for PNP. Can't afford that. How will I show that? Out of the question.

 

[Donald Trump]

Don't know when but by the end of this year, crs score should go down according to my lawyer's office. No concrete proof though. Just a buzz. Crs score is way high after may 2016. Don't know what triggered it to go that high n remain there.

 

[veritas]

Heard from a friend who works in the Ontario government that depending on the number of applicants/intake determined, different cut offs are determined for each 'cycle' and the scores could definitely go down in the next cycle.

I'm guessing that the CIC official in the youtube video referred to the same when he said that the ITAs would increase and the cutoff would go down in 'September/October (Fall)'. This could be a new cycle.

Just something positive to keep our hopes high.

 

[raven00090]

That is sort of what I thought it would be because it has to be in their control. It can't just be the applicant pool scores determining the cut off. They probably control and have a say, like "Okay this month, it'll be 490." or something along those lines.

 

[aircanada]

That is sort of what I thought it would be because it has to be in their control. It can't just be the applicant pool scores determining the cut off. They probably control and have a say, like "Okay this month, it'll be 490." or something along those lines.

It's like "if we set it at 490, it'll have to be 500 invites, at 482 800 invites, and at 481 2500 invites, which one of these could our work plan could accommodate?" kind of decision.

 

[Alexios07]

Someone would still complain though... probably about it not being fair that students taking diplomas in Canadian cookery courses would have a better chance of getting immigration over a skilled worker as the government allocated half-an-application more to CEC than EE

I'm not saying I would complain (before the forum backlash starts....), just saying that somewhere some killjoy would find a fault in even Forbes sensible plan :-X

Oh dear, I think I sound bitter...

We don't need to split anything, just different cut-off score and ITAs for each different streams. Like for next draw, cut-off score will be 430 points and 1000 ITAs for CEC applicants, but 450 points and 1500 ITAs for FSW. In addition, you cannot claim foreign experience for CEC stream, since this stream will be used exclusively for former international students with QUALIFIED job offer.

 

[aircanada]

We don't need to split anything, just different cut-off score and ITAs for each different streams. Like for next draw, cut-off score will be 430 points and 1000 ITAs for CEC applicants, but 450 points and 1500 ITAs for FSW. In addition, you cannot claim foreign experience for CEC stream, since this stream will be used exclusively for former international students with QUALIFIED job offer.

That makes no sense. What does "QUALIFIED job offer" even mean? That idea conflicts with the LMIA framework. Also CEC has never been about an 'offer', it was about 'experience', hence the name.

 

[Alexios07]

That makes no sense. What does "QUALIFIED job offer" even mean? That idea conflicts with the LMIA framework. Also CEC has never been about an 'offer', it was about 'experience', hence the name.

Means the job offer must be in NOC level 0, A or B. If you don't have a qualified job offer then how can you earn the experience?