Ray of hope - FSW - 1

[123hope]

It’s not fair but at the same time, they believe people already in Canada would be able to adapt better. They are already in Canada, therefore their landing and transition to permanent residents would be easier. People aren’t even allowed into the country right now. There’s so many restrictions. Why give Fsw applicants copr when they wouldn’t be able to come to Canada due to restrictions? Many of the ones who were given copr last year are still not able to travel to Canada due to restrictions. This decision isn’t fair but it makes total sense. Don’t lose hope. I’m very sure the FSW draws are coming soon.

Yes you're right to some extent, but still it would have been better to issue the invitations before we lose more points due to age we have already lost 10 points due to age these past 2 years, and we will lose another 5 in June. So as much as we have maxed out our points in ielts and tef, we lose those points due to age. We don't mind waiting for the file processing, as long as we know we are safe not to lose any more points, if that makes sense.

 

[123hope]

Clearly there are quite a few ways to immigrate. Each individual has the choice to take whichever path they think they fit in. If you chose not to come and work here to be able to fit under CEC, it's was your choice and only yours. Immigration is not a charity. There is no such a thing as fairness.

It is not at all a matter of choice! Not every one is lucky enough to find a job and get a work permit as easily as you're making it. Especially now with covid restrictions.

 

[123hope]

"I hope they even know how to write their name!" - very Canadian style lol
and I hope you will be able to learn better manners once you arrive here

Good for you that you have learned "canadian style" please don't tell me that you are one of those 75 pointers otherwise why would this sentence bother you so much? Just mind your own business and let people vent, would you? Thanks

 

[Mew]

Good for you that you have learned "canadian style" please don't tell me that you are one of those 75 pointers otherwise why would this sentence bother you so much? Just mind your own business and let people vent, would you? Thanks

I am not one of them I worked on my score and received ITA way before, but it is always "fun" to see how people like you show support to others. Good luck!

 

[shank15]

You're mistaken in this assumption.

Canada doesn't make money off RPRF or processing fees. It costs more to process immigration applications than IRCC collects in fees from applicants.

Yes, your statement makes sense... but what I meant is that... they might be trying to cover some of that loss from vaccine purchases and overall pandemic expenses.

Each person pays C$1,325 and there are 27,332 ITAs. So that's C$36,214,900 (not counting dependents). A pretty hefty sum.

 

[NOC98]

Good for you that you have learned "canadian style" please don't tell me that you are one of those 75 pointers otherwise why would this sentence bother you so much? Just mind your own business and let people vent, would you? Thanks

Really kudos to that applicant for the courage of creating an EE profile with just 75 points. Who would have thought an EE draw would pick up that low of a score? But again, we don’t know their circumstances. To be eligible for CEC, one only needs have a valid language exam (based on NOC) and 1 year Canadian work experience. The applicant might’ve just declared that, didn’t bother doing an ECA or getting a job offer or learning French and could’ve lost a lot of points due to age.

Or could be a fake profile trying to troll IRCC.

 

[scylla]

Yes, your statement makes sense... but what I meant is that... they might be trying to cover some of that loss from vaccine purchases and overall pandemic expenses.

Each person pays C$1,325 and there are 27,332 ITAs. So that's C$36,214,900. A pretty hefty sum.

Yeah no - that's not how it works in terms of federal government budgeting and funding. Vaccines have been funded through other means.

The applications will cost approximately twice that amount to process. What isn't covered by the fees collected from applicants will be covered by money paid by Canadian taxpayers. Once you are a PR and are living and working in Canada, a portion of the taxes you pay each year will go towards subsidizing immigration application processing.

 

[sponsort]

It is not at all a matter of choice! Not every one is lucky enough to find a job and get a work permit as easily as you're making it. Especially now with covid restrictions.

"lucky". right.

 

[scylla]

it doesn't make sense for the govt to spend more than they'd make especially during a pandemic that's already been exhausting the financial systems. an fsw brings more cash than a cec. an fsw brings at least $13k (proof) + $1.3 (process) + $2k (quarantine) = $17k. that's more than what most cecs pay for taxes in the first year.

the reason that pushed the govt to invite a crs300 was the strong need for cash.

It may not make sense to you, however the costs of processing applications are very well known and have been published by the government for years. For a long time, application fees only covered approximately 30% of the total costs to process applications. Recent application fee increases have raised this to 50%. The remaining 50% is covered by taxpayers.

In terms of why IRCC has issued such a large number of application, months ago the Liberal government said they would be making more paths available to immigrate to those working in Canada. They are making this commitment real through the large draw.

 

[Danifola]

Good for you that you have learned "canadian style" please don't tell me that you are one of those 75 pointers otherwise why would this sentence bother you so much? Just mind your own business and let people vent, would you? Thanks

Reading through your comments and I just shake my head. So you think people here with low score don’t know how to write their names. So it’s fair for you to get ITA. But people that live here, pay taxes, worked front line during pandemic, paid international student school fees, graduated and have low score for one reason or the other don’t deserve ITAs. Better to vent in a reasonable way and put other into consideration. What about when FSWs were getting ITAs biweekly and nothing for all those already here struggling already.

 

[BlindGoku]

Yeah no - that's not how it works in terms of federal government budgeting and funding. Vaccines have been funded through other means.

The applications will cost approximately twice that amount to process. What isn't covered by the fees collected from applicants will be covered by money paid by Canadian taxpayers. Once you are a PR and are living and working in Canada, a portion of the taxes you pay each year will go towards subsidizing immigration application processing.

Yeah, people saying that they did a big draw to obtain money because from the application fees are clueless lol. Couple million CAD for the federal government is peanuts, most likely it just covers some of day-to-day operations to run the thing..
If they really wanted money for this, they could be easily be charging 4x or 5x and it could be justified...

 

[scylla]

govt has no need to employ more officers than they need for the mega draw. they'd have invited the same number over 3 months. they did it in a single draw because they need people to apply asap. cec was a good call for that because they are quicker&easier to process => less cost per application. also, they couldn't justify inviting 27k outlanders with a crs cutoff of 200 to anyone, so they did cec.

this has nothing to do with the govt's promise. remember that people with crs300 maybe less got invited. the intention is not to invite literally anyone who worked in canada for a year, but to invite people with high qualifications. you get more points and a dedicated stream if you have contributed to canada's economy by paying taxes at least for a year. however, you still need to possess other qualities such as good command of english/french, education etc. crs300 or even less who got invited doesn't fit this profile, but it's the pandemic.

You're certainly entitled to your views. However these fees are a drop in the bucket of the overall federal budget and the fees aren't a money maker for Canada. That's the reality whether you like it or not.

 

[guelphite]

Yeah, people saying that they did a big draw to obtain money because from the application fees are clueless lol. Couple million CAD for the federal government is peanuts, most likely it just covers some of day-to-day operations to run the thing..
If they really wanted money for this, they could be easily be charging 4x or 5x and it could be justified...

10000% lol. Canadian budget is about 300 billion dollars a year. 3 million is 0.001% of 300 billion. Probably the most absurd thing I've read on this site.

 

[arun437]

people of very low qualifications got invited who would have never had a chance at receiving an invite. sure you can believe what reality you like. your reality suggest that anyone who somehow ended up paying taxes for a year in canada fits the requirements canada seeks. what is the point of having a cec stream? do you also believe the next step is to remove cec and just invite anyone with 1 year of experience in canada? go look up draws history, cec really started coming up after the pandemic. I don't see any views to be entitled to here, it is a fact that people with 200-300 crs got invited and we all know what kind of qualification gets you that kind of crs.

They invited people who’re contributing already to their economy doing skilled labour. These are students who spent their a lot of time and almost all their money in Canada.

 

[scylla]

people of very low qualifications got invited who would have never had a chance at receiving an invite. sure you can believe what reality you like. your reality suggest that anyone who somehow ended up paying taxes for a year in canada fits the requirements canada seeks. what is the point of having a cec stream? do you also believe the next step is to remove cec and just invite anyone with 1 year of experience in canada? go look up draws history, cec really started coming up after the pandemic. I don't see any views to be entitled to here, it is a fact that people with 200-300 crs got invited and we all know what kind of qualification gets you that kind of crs.

It sounds like what's upsetting is the fact that low qualified CEC applicants were selected over much more qualified FSW applicants. I get that and it does seem unfair and somewhat illogical that they accepted individuals with such low scores. It was also very unexpected that they did one large draw vs. several smaller draws. I don't work for the government and have no idea why it was done this way.

I was just saying that the large CEC draw isn't a money-maker for Canada. That's all. Immigration fees have never been a revenue / income generating stream for Canada.

Will be interesting to see what EE draws look like moving forward from here...