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Emil1

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Anyone know when the next draw might take place? Should a score of 470, non-CEC and non-PNP be sufficient?
nobody can know, I'm not really sure that even IRCC knows. With time, and lots of draws, I believe that it can fall to 468 just like last year.
 

Igethope

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COVID changed the whole immigration system. Damn ! Now minister is claiming they can meet their over 400k target with students and temporary workers.
 
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Emil1

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Even if they reach their goal only with inland people this year, next year they would need outland people because they would have run off inland people, so, they still have to make FSW rounds this year, if they want people next year. But I agree that he couldn't find a tweet more discouraging than the one he did.
 
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Anyone know when the next draw might take place? Should a score of 470, non-CEC and non-PNP be sufficient?
Not to be a buzzkill, but you might have to wait a while. Remember when they restarted the FSW draws last year, the score went to 478, and it took over 2 months for the score to get to 469. And then just a one week delay made the scores jump up to 478 again. Like someone esle said, the scores will drop again, but expect to wait a month or two after they resume FSW draws. That is assuming they draw consistently without skipping, and at 5000 per draw.

If there is any way to improve your score by even a few points in the meantime it'll be worth it.
 

Emil1

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the federal high skilled goal this year is 110k people: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/supplementary-immigration-levels-2021-2023.html (not counting PNP since it's has a separate quota)

ITAs sent this year is about 37k: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds.html (again, excluding PNP)

the forum had roughly calculated that 1 ITA = 2 immigrants on average. I'd argue this is lower for CECs since they're mostly partners/couples both living in canada, hence both receiving separate invitations. anyway, that's 75k immigrants accepted so far. they need about 35k more, for which they'll need to send out 15-20k fsw ITAs.

IRCC only counts people already in canada for their target setting so most CECs count towards the target.fsws invited in previous years can't land due to covid. also, IRCC knows inviting someone this year means they land next year. there will be a few new CECs joining in the pool but I doubt IRCC will have CEC draws just for a few people. they'll most likely take those new CECs in with FSW draws in the second half of 2021. I think there's little chance that we wouldn't see fsw draws this year.
I don't believe that there are two people per ITA because there is also people who have been rejected, people who declined their ITA and people who never answered their ITA. I believe those numbers can also change things. I don't think that they will reach even to 75K immigrants just with those 37K people invited.

I truly hope that they will at least begin with FSW draws by the end of the restrictions in April, however, that entirely depends on the vaccination pace, and the new daily covid cases during that month.
 

Andy Eddy

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IRCC has essentially abandoned inviting outlanders and processing current outlander applications for the moment. Until Covid is under some sort of control and they can begin considering lifting travel restrictions, who knows when?

I have a solid enough profile - high 470s which won't drop below 470 because of my age until July 2022. If I sit it out long enough, I should eventually receive an ITA. But do I really want to put myself through another 6, 12, 18 months of this exhausting waiting game?!

Would like to be more positive but struggling to keep my Ray of Hope lit :(

If anyone has anything optimistic about Canada Covid prevention strategy, please post it!
 

maxwell30

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we are waiting on the next draw we are in canada working, we received our ainp nomination so we are sitting waiting for the next draw. our current work visas expire on march 11th. after alot of reading I'm not feeling to hopeful about a draw coming up this wed aside from praying would anyone have any ideas on anyway we could extend our visas or if there is even any options for us so we don't have to leave our jobs and go home ?
 

Andy Eddy

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Lol at resuming next year!

In my own opinion, I think they will resume in June or July latest. The 27k invites is on average about the size of 8/9 draws all done at once. So, if the 27k invites had been allowed to spread on the normal bi-weekly basis, it would have lingered till May ending or first week in June.. That's how I came about June being the likely month for the return of the FSW draws.

All the best to everyone!
These items back up the idea of lifted travel restrictions (so hopefully resumed FSW draws) by this summer ;

Raywat Deonandan, an epidemiologist and associate professor at the University of Ottawa, told HuffPost he predicts Canada will be able to start lifting restrictions around summer 2021 — assuming the vaccines prevent transmission, and enough people get inoculated.

He anticipates the pandemic will be officially declared over by 2022, but noted it will likely still exist in some countries. That means international travel won’t go “back to normal for several years,” he said, adding some airlines may require proof of vaccination.

Source; https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/pandemic-end-2021-vaccine_ca_5fdd1767c5b60d4163425d78

See also https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada/video/2021-is-looking-to-be-a-good-news-year-epidemiologist-on-vaccine-roll-out~2103108
 

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the federal high skilled goal this year is 110k people: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/supplementary-immigration-levels-2021-2023.html (not counting PNP since it's has a separate quota)

ITAs sent this year is about 37k: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/mandate/policies-operational-instructions-agreements/ministerial-instructions/express-entry-rounds.html (again, excluding PNP)

the forum had roughly calculated that 1 ITA = 2 immigrants on average. I'd argue this is lower for CECs since they're mostly partners/couples both living in canada, hence both receiving separate invitations. anyway, that's 75k immigrants accepted so far. they need about 35k more, for which they'll need to send out 15-20k fsw ITAs.

IRCC only counts people already in canada for their target setting so most CECs count towards the target.fsws invited in previous years can't land due to covid. also, IRCC knows inviting someone this year means they land next year. there will be a few new CECs joining in the pool but I doubt IRCC will have CEC draws just for a few people. they'll most likely take those new CECs in with FSW draws in the second half of 2021. I think there's little chance that we wouldn't see fsw draws this year.
From the same link (the first one) you provided, it is clear that partners/spouses/children are not counted in the 108.5K target of Federal High Skilled. There is a specific target of 80K for "Spouses, Partners, and Children". In order to hit the 400K total target, they should definitely draw more candidates than the years before if they plan to grant PR to TRV holders. The reason is most students are living alone (no family or partner), thus the average family size per ITA would reduce significantly (which stops them from reaching 80K and other targets)
 
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I can’t recall where I read this but, there are current temporary foreign workers who did not even bother creating an EE profile because of the high CRS cut offs. The high cut off scores acted as a deterrent for some in submitting a profile in the first place. Maybe that’s why IRCC decided to have that draw with a very low score to signal to many temporary foreign workers that Canada is seriously looking to inviting more of them to stay permanently.

This is an article is from last year, but as of 2018 there are 429k temporary foreign workers in Canada. I can’t find any recent figures though or what’s the composition — full time or seasonal. Maybe this is where the IRCC minister is getting his confidence that they’d be able to meet their immigration targets this year. https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/07/22/canada-increasingly-selects-temporary-foreign-workers-for-immigration-report/
 
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