Questions in express entry profile creation

[Nalanda]

Hi All,

What to fill for the following questions

1) I submitted express entry profile sometime in Feb'2016. That time I received profile ineligible. So I am applying now again with 1 year of CEC.
- Has "X" applied for Express Entry before? Do I need to enter "YES" or "NO"?
- Please provide the Express Entry file number : Do I need to provide my ineligible EE application number?

2) I have both skilled experience from outside Canada as well as from Canada. I am interested in CEC ITA. I read somewhere from this forum that I need to enter "0" for "How much money(Can $) will X bring to Canada to support themselves and their family?
- Do I need to enter "0" for this question?

3) Work history section (subsection is Intended work in Canada):
- I am currently working in a job using my Post-graduate work permit (without LMIA).
- What should I answer for this question (Does X have a job offer in Canada?)

 

[Andre_Smol]

1) you dont have to mention an ineligible profile you created in the past. They only want to know if you have sent in a full apllication before and were possibly rejected, for example.

2) you can only enter 0 if you qualify for CEC. Do you have at least 1 year of full time employment in Canada and how long ago was it? If you dont qulify for CEC because you dont meet the criteria, then you have to entr the minimum Amount required by IRCC or more. Also keep in mind that any work experience that you gained while you were a student in Canada does not count.

3) if you dont have an LMIA, then you cannot claim any points for your job in Canada so I think your answer should be no.

 

[jes_ON]

1) I submitted express entry profile sometime in Feb'2016. That time I received profile ineligible. So I am applying now again with 1 year of CEC.
- Has "X" applied for Express Entry before? Do I need to enter "YES" or "NO"?
- Please provide the Express Entry file number : Do I need to provide my ineligible EE application number?

"EE profile" is not an application. If your profile was inelgible, you did not apply, therefore have no file number. You can answer "NO."

2) I have both skilled experience from outside Canada as well as from Canada. I am interested in CEC ITA. I read somewhere from this forum that I need to enter "0" for "How much money(Can $) will X bring to Canada to support themselves and their family?
- Do I need to enter "0" for this question?

Before, if you were eligible for both FSW and CEC, the system would "default" to FSW. So people who wanted to apply through CEC would set funds to 0 so that they would not be eligible under FSW.

CIC recently changed this - if you are eligible for both, the default is now CEC. So you can be honest about the funds...

3) Work history section (subsection is Intended work in Canada):
- I am currently working in a job using my Post-graduate work permit (without LMIA).
- What should I answer for this question (Does X have a job offer in Canada?)

Read the definition of "job offer" here - it is not the same thing has having a job. You will probably have to answer "No."
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/offer.asp

You will get points for your Canadian employment, of course, you just will not be eligible for the 600 bonus points for arranged employment.

 

[Nalanda]

Thanks, Andre_Smol and Jes for your detailed explanation.

Hi Andre,

Giving some detailed information
- I applied for the post-graduate work permit on 24-Feb-2015.
- My study permit was valid till 31-March-2015. From 1-April-2015, I was on implied status till 7-May-2015.
- But the date issue of PGWP is on 8-May-2015.

Job1 : Company A
Status: Part time
Duration : 8-May-2015 to 08-Aug-2015
Total weeks: 13 weeks and 1 day (8 weeks bcos of part-time)
Hours/week : 18 hrs (18/30 =60%)
Total hours : 234hrs

Note: 09-Aug-2015 to 16-Aug-2016, I didn't work.

Job2: Company B
Status : Full time
Duration : 17-Aug-2015 to 15-May-2016
Total weeks : 39 weeks
Hours/week : 37.5
Total hours : 39*30=1170hrs

Job3: Company C (5 months Personal Services Contract )
Duration : 01-Mar-2015 to 31-July-2015.
Total weeks : 12 weeks (But PGWP issued on 8-May-2015. So I considered total weeks only from 8-May-2015 to 31-July-2015).
Hours/week : 37.5
Total hours : (12*30hrs=360)
T4 : NO (Supervisor asked me to file the tax by myself)
NOTE: I heard that self-employment will not be considered for CEC. So I didn't consider that for my below experience

Currently total weeks = 47 weeks and 1404hrs
From 16-May-2016 to 20-Jun-2016, I will get 5 weeks. Then I will complete my 1 year of Canadian Experience.

 

[jes_ON]

Job1 : Company A
Status: Part time
Duration : 8-May-2015 to 08-Aug-2015
Total weeks: 13 weeks and 1 day (8 weeks bcos of part-time)
Hours/week : 18 hrs (18/30 =60%)
Total hours : 234hrs

234 hours / 30 hours per week = 7.8 weeks, or 7 complete weeks. ALWAYS round down with CIC.

Note: 09-Aug-2015 to 16-Aug-2016, I didn't work.

Job2: Company B
Status : Full time
Duration : 17-Aug-2015 to 15-May-2016
Total weeks : 39 weeks this is all you need to calculate.
Hours/week : 37.5
Total hours : 39*30=1170hrs


Currently total weeks = 47 weeks

As noted above, I advise counting this as 46 weeks. You should complete another 6 weeks to meet the eligibility requirement (52 weeks= 1yr).

 

[Nalanda]

Thanks Jes_ON.

As mentioned before, I applied for PGWP on 24-Feb-2015. Then I got a part-time contract from 1-March-2015 to 08-Aug-2015. But I counted the part-time work experience only from 8-May-2015 to 08-Aug-2015 because the PGWP issued on 8-May-2015.

Will my part-time work experience gained in between 1-March-2015 to 07-May-2015 will be counted for work experience or not?
If CIC counts, then I will get another 7 complete weeks.

I submitted my express entry profile now. I hope next round will happen on 3rd-June and followed by 19th June. Considering that 19th June CRS is 470. Then I will get ITA. Should I accept that ITA or not? There is no option for me to provide the exact data in work history section. As for as months, I completed 1 year. Technically speaking I might be 51 weeks and 3 days.

 

[Regina]

As for as months, I completed 1 year. Technically speaking I might be 51 weeks and 3 days.

Contract job is not counted.
Count hours for part and full time employment (not contract - self-employment). As soon as you get 1950 hours, you may consider it a "12 months employment)

Full-time equivalence, or 1,950 hours of paid employment over a period of at least 12 months will also be considered.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/definitions.asp?letterNum=6

You need another 1950-1404=546 hrs of PAID EMPLOYMENT to claim "12 months of full time employment". It MAY take you MORE than 12 months but you need to get 1950 hours of paid employment in occupation of NOC 0,A,B.

 

[Asivad Anac]

Contract job is not counted.
Count hours for part and full time employment (not contract - self-employment). As soon as you get 1950 hours, you may consider it a "12 months employment) http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/definitions.asp?letterNum=6

You need another 1950-1404=546 hrs of PAID EMPLOYMENT to claim "12 months of full time employment". It MAY take you MORE than 12 months but you need to get 1950 hours of paid employment in occupation of NOC 0,A,B.

Not 1950 hours - that was based on 37.5 hours/week. It has been revised to 30 hours/week so now it is 1560 hours for the year.

 

[jes_ON]

Count hours for part and full time employment (not contract - self-employment). As soon as you get 1950 hours, you may consider it a "12 months employment) http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/definitions.asp?letterNum=6

Apart from the change from 1950 to 1560 hours being the full-time equivalent, you cannot simply "add up hours" and qualify. If you "count the hours" the maximum you can count for any week is 30 hours. So you cannot work 60 hours per week and qualify in 6 months, you still have to work a full calendar year. The hourly equivalent is given for part-time work only, which by definition will take longer than one year to complete the eligibility requirement.

 

[jes_ON]

Giving some detailed information
- I applied for the post-graduate work permit on 24-Feb-2015.
- My study permit was valid till 31-March-2015. From 1-April-2015, I was on implied status till 7-May-2015.
- But the date issue of PGWP is on 8-May-2015.

Job1 : Company A
Status: Part time
Duration : 8-May-2015 to 08-Aug-2015
Total weeks: 13 weeks and 1 day (8 weeks bcos of part-time)
Hours/week : 18 hrs (18/30 =60%)
Total hours : 234hrs

Will my part-time work experience gained in between 1-March-2015 to 07-May-2015 will be counted for work experience or not?

You haven't stated the date when you actually graduated (or the end date of the final semester in which you registered). The rules state that work while a student doesn't count, so working after graduation, as long as it is authorized, technically should count, but CIC will not count it automatically. They typically go by the start date of the PGWP, and that is the safest and easiest way to count the first date of eligibility.

If you want those extra 6 FTE weeks to count, though, you can try writing a letter of explanation, stating that you stopped being a student on DATE, provide proof (e.g. proof of graduation), and that the work was authorized, so you believe that the work experience between 1-March-2015 to 07-May-2015 should count. This used to work, but I have no idea if it will still work.

If CIC counts, then I will get another 7 complete weeks.

10 weeks * 18 hours per week / 30 = 6 FTE weeks. If you just guestimate when you are cutting it this close, you could be refused for being short only one week.

 

[jes_ON]

I submitted my express entry profile now. I hope next round will happen on 3rd-June and followed by 19th June. Considering that 19th June CRS is 470. Then I will get ITA. Should I accept that ITA or not?

You should not accept an ITA before you actually qualify. It is YOUR reponsibiltiy to ensure that you qualify. BTW, if you refuse the ITA, I believe you will have to re-create your profile, so there is no benefit to entering the pool before you qualify.

There is no option for me to provide the exact data in work history section. As for as months, I completed 1 year. Technically speaking I might be 51 weeks and 3 days.

And CIC is making a lot of money off of people who jump the gun, and then are refused because they applied too soon. Regardless of how the online system counts it, it is on you to make sure you qualify.

Yes, the online profile only allows you to enter months, but when the visa officer reviews your application, they will check exact dates, and count the weeks worked. If you are short, you will be refused.

 

[Asivad Anac]

You should not accept an ITA before you actually qualify. It is YOUR reponsibiltiy to ensure that you qualify. BTW, if you refuse the ITA, I believe you will have to re-create your profile, so there is no benefit to entering the pool before you qualify.

Recreating the profile isn't necessary, declining an ITA simply places the OP back into the active pool with that very profile.

Yes, the online profile only allows you to enter months, but when the visa officer reviews your application, they will check exact dates, and count the weeks worked. If you are short, you will be refused.

Given that one gets 8 weeks to submit a completed profile after ITA, once could technically receive an ITA up to 8 weeks in advance of being eligible and wait till the end of 8 weeks to submit the post ITA application. That would still work.

 

[jes_ON]

Recreating the profile isn't necessary, declining an ITA simply places the OP back into the active pool with that very profile.

Thanks - yes, you are right - good to know.

Given that one gets 8 weeks to submit a completed profile after ITA, once could technically receive an ITA up to 8 weeks in advance of being eligible and wait till the end of 8 weeks to submit the post ITA application. That would still work.

This one I disagree with, unless CIC has issued a recent change that I have missed. I realize there are places that CIC language is contradictory, but it seems pretty clear that you have to meet the minimum entry qualify at the time of the ITA, and have seen cases of people refused who were eligible when they submitted their eAPR, but not when they received the ITA, because of the inexact dates issue.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/express/refuse.asp

"Under section A11.2, an officer may not issue a visa to an applicant who did not or does not meet the Express Entry minimum entry criteria (MEC) or did not or does not possess the qualifications for which they received their CRS score at the time when

the Invitation to Apply (ITA) was issued; or
the e-APR was received by CIC."

 

[Cherrypaul]

Contract job is not counted.
Count hours for part and full time employment (not contract - self-employment). As soon as you get 1950 hours, you may consider it a "12 months employment)
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/perm/definitions.asp?letterNum=6

You need another 1950-1404=546 hrs of PAID EMPLOYMENT to claim "12 months of full time employment". It MAY take you MORE than 12 months but you need to get 1950 hours of paid employment in occupation of NOC 0,A,B.

I just read this post and have a query: Someone mentioned that contract job not counted. Does it mean we can’t count contract job (1 year, paid) work experience?

 

[DelPiero07]

I just read this post and have a query: Someone mentioned that contract job not counted. Does it mean we can’t count contract job (1 year, paid) work experience?

You can count it.