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newintoronto

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Apr 15, 2017
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Question to all the moderators and administrators

To the honourable members I tried a lot for calculating the days for citizenship I couldn’t Sad

If kindly dear folks can state at which date I can apply for citizenship

Here are my days out of Canada and into Canada


In Canada

Canada: 2011 from Jan 01 to feb 11

2012 from mar15 to 2014 jul 08

2015 jul 10 to oct 27

Dec 05 to feb 23 2017

Mar 23 to apr 15 2017



Home Country:

2011 from feb 12 to mar 14 of 2012



2014 from jul 09 to jul 09 2015

2016 OCT 28 to Dec 4


2017 Feb 24 to March 22




Dear Sir and folks and moderators at which date should I apply I will surely give some buffer days at the time of application



I know that I have to stay 6 months every year I missed one 6 month stay in between 2014 and 2015 thats why I am like kind of stuck

Best Wishes

Justin
 

Bs65

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Did you try the physical presence calculator its not that difficult to use https://eservices.cic.gc.ca/rescalc/resCalcStartNew.do
 

newintoronto

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Bs65 said:
Did you try the physical presence calculator its not that difficult to use
Yes sir I did

I couldn't do it sir

because my land of immigration to Canada was

August 13 2007

Kindly sir if u can say me when should I apply sir for citizenship
 

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newintoronto said:
Yes sir I did

I couldn't do it sir

because my land of immigration to Canada was

August 13 2007

Kindly sir if u can say me when should I apply sir for citizenship
If you find the calculator that much of a challenge, you may want to consider hiring a consultant to help you.
 

Nader.

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Apr 16, 2017
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Hi Newintoronto;

You are eligible to apply after May 20, 2017, give yourself 1 week buffer at least.

2007 0
2008 0
2009 0
2010 0
2011 0
2012 292
2013 365
2014 189
2015 175
2016 328
2017 78

You completed 1427 days.

This is you calculation up to date Apr 16.

Your Absence:-
2011-04-16 2012-03-15 334
2014-07-08 2015-07-10 366
2016-10-27 2016-12-05 38
2017-02-23 2017-03-23 27

Total # Days 765
 

newintoronto

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Nader. said:
Hi Newintoronto;

You are eligible to apply after May 20, 2017, give yourself 1 week buffer at least.

2007 0
2008 0
2009 0
2010 0
2011 0
2012 292
2013 365
2014 189
2015 175
2016 328
2017 78

You completed 1427 days.

This is you calculation up to date Apr 16.

Your Absence:-
2011-04-16 2012-03-15 334
2014-07-08 2015-07-10 366
2016-10-27 2016-12-05 38
2017-02-23 2017-03-23 27

Total # Days 765

Mate this is it

Absence 2011 -321 days 2012-75 days 2014-175 days 2015-191 days 2017-30days total absence -792 days
 

dpenabill

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I am NOT an administrator. I am NOT a moderator.

I am NOT an expert. I am not qualified to give personal advice. I am not qualified to assist preparation of an application for citizenship.


newintoronto said:
If kindly dear folks can state at which date I can apply for citizenship

Here are my days out of Canada and into Canada

. . . at which date should I apply I will surely give some buffer days at the time of application

I know that I have to stay 6 months every year I missed one 6 month stay in between 2014 and 2015 thats why I am like kind of stuck


You cannot complete an application for citizenship without using the online residence calculator to generate the calculation that is to be submitted with the application. So, whatever problem you are having with using the online residence calculator, you need to solve that before you can apply. You have to use the residence calculator.

Or, as someone else observed, obtain the assistance of an authorized professional.

If you are just in the phase of ascertaining and confirming when you will be qualified, and are having difficulty using the online residence calculator, perhaps a family member or friend could assist you.

In the meantime, this forum is NOT an appropriate venue for seeking or giving personal advice, let alone obtaining actual assistance in preparing a citizenship application. Suggestions, sure, and lots of information. All to be taken with a big dose of caution.

As for your dates of presence and absence, even if you are not using the online calculator, what works best is to follow the format used in the online residence calculator: completely, accurately, and precisely stating each date of exit followed by next date of entry.


Without attempting to construct a residence calculation from the information you have provided, I can offer some observations:

Any dates prior to April 16, 2011 are totally irrelevant now. And, indeed, any date more than six years prior to the date you actually make the application will be irrelevant. So, for example, your reference to being in Canada between Jan 01, 2011 and Feb 11, 2011, has no bearing at all on whether you are qualified for citizenship or when you will be qualified.

Date of exit from Canada and date of entry into Canada determine the calculation. These must be precise. These are based on when you, in effect, pass through the somewhat imaginary line leaving Canada and entering Canada. Thus, for example, if you arrive on a flight that lands two hours before midnight, but for whatever reason are not off the plane and through customs before midnight, the date of arrival is the day after midnight. Similarly, if you board a flight to leave Canada before midnight, you have left Canada that day, before midnight, even if the plane ends up sitting on the tarmac for hours into the next day. (Dates in other countries is not particularly relevant; it is not when you arrive or leave any other country, but what matters, what counts, is specifically based on the date you exit Canada and the date you have passed through customs upon arriving in Canada.)

The calculator will correctly total the number of days in Canada, the number absent.

The total number of days within the previous six years must be at least 1460.

In each of at least four of the six years, total time in Canada must be 183 or more days.

It appears you are saying you were in Canada all of 2013, no absences at all that year. Your dates for in-Canada and dates in-home-country are inconsistent for 2016, but assuming Nader has it right (entered Canada July 10, 2015 and next exit was October 27, 2016, returning to Canada December 5, 2016), it appears you will have a total of more than 1460 days by June.

It also appears you were present in Canada >183 days in 2012, 2013, 2014 (but barely), and 2016. Which if correct, meets this physical presence requirement as of now.

However, (again assuming Nader correctly interpreted and calculated dates for 2015 and 2016) if you wait to apply to around September this year, so that your time in Canada this year well exceeds 183 days, that would obviate any concern about the calculation for 2014 (the year you cut-it-close relative to meeting the 183 day minimum) and should give you a comfortable margin >1460.

But the bottom-line is that you need to use the online residence calculator, precisely enter dates of exit and dates of entry, and as you acknowledge, be sure you have a comfortable margin over the minimums before you make a decision about when it is best for you to apply.

Reminder: no reason to rush applying if that means longer processing times and delays. Many times waiting is the fastest way to reach taking the oath.

While there is no way of knowing for sure, my sense is that a full year's absence in the middle is a circumstance which likely raises the risk of additional scrutiny at least a little.

To my view, any additional risks makes it more prudent to have a bigger margin. But of course there are other important factors which a prospective applicant should carefully consider when deciding what will be the best time to apply. I personally waited nearly two years beyond the date I first met the residency requirements (under old 3/4 rules) before I applied. I had personal reasons, largely rooted in genuine concerns about the prospect of RQ, for waiting that long. Each individual's case is different. When to apply, however, is a far more complex question than merely identifying when the PR has reached the minimum presence thresholds.



Note about your 2015 to 2017 dates.

newintoronto said:
[In Canada:]

2015 jul 10 to oct 27

Dec 05 to feb 23 2017
This does not clearly show any time in Canada for 2016. Was the time in Canada from July 2015 until October 2015? Or until October 2016?

Alternatively, was the time in Canada from December 5, 2015 to February 2017, or from December 5, 2016 until February, 2017?

There really is NO alternative to using the online residency calculator, precisely entering each date of exit and each date of entry.
 

Nader.

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My calculation are based on residence calculator and that was the output.

The date of Appling is suggested by residence calculator. I'm not that expert nor I don't take the responsibility to let anyone to apply for citizenship, that was only a help.

I assume these your exits and entries to Canada and it's your absence. You have to make sure of these dates, use the boarding pass date when exit out of Canada and use the custom entry date when you enter Canada.

2011-04-16/2012-03-15 334 days
2014-07-08/2015-07-10 366 days
2016-10-27/2016-12-05 38 days
2017-02-23/2017-03-23 27 days

You were absent all entire 2011, cause any day prior Apr 16 doesn't count, but your absence days after Apr 16 2011 will be considered only. Days before Apr 16 2011 are wasted either you lived in Canada or out.
 

newintoronto

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Nader. said:
My calculation are based on residence calculator and that was the output.

The date of Appling is suggested by residence calculator. I'm not that expert nor I don't take the responsibility to let anyone to apply for citizenship, that was only a help.

I assume these your exits and entries to Canada and it's your absence. You have to make sure of these dates, use the boarding pass date when exit out of Canada and use the custom entry date when you enter Canada.

2011-04-16/2012-03-15 334 days
2014-07-08/2015-07-10 366 days
2016-10-27/2016-12-05 38 days
2017-02-23/2017-03-23 27 days

You were absent all entire 2011, cause any day prior Apr 16 doesn't count, but your absence days after Apr 16 2011 will be considered only. Days before Apr 16 2011 are wasted either you lived in Canada or out.
Brother I was absent in 2015

it is like I have to stay every 6 months in 12 months

and it is 4 years out of 6 years

so it means

2017 -6 years

which is

2011 since

I need 1460 days right

so if I cancel 2015 how can I cope it up 1460 days by applying in may bro ?
 

Nader.

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newintoronto said:
Brother I was absent in 2015

it is like I have to stay every 6 months in 12 months

and it is 4 years out of 6 years

so it means

2017 -6 years

which is

2011 since

I need 1460 days right

so if I cancel 2015 how can I cope it up 1460 days by applying in may bro ?
This is your count
2012 292
2013 365
2014 189
2015 175
2016 328
2017 78

So year days in 2015 will be counted towards 1460 but the year will not be counted as 183 days in a year, so you need only 4 years (183 days in a year) which are 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016.
 

newintoronto

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Apr 15, 2017
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Nader. said:
This is your count
2012 292
2013 365
2014 189
2015 175
2016 328
2017 78

So year days in 2015 will be counted towards 1460 but the year will not be counted as 183 days in a year, so you need only 4 years (183 days in a year) which are 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016.

Thanks a lot so that means

It is 183 in a year which is any rolling period

So I am eligible to apply after may 20
 

newintoronto

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Apr 15, 2017
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Nader. said:
This is your count
2012 292
2013 365
2014 189
2015 175
2016 328
2017 78

So year days in 2015 will be counted towards 1460 but the year will not be counted as 183 days in a year, so you need only 4 years (183 days in a year) which are 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016.
One more thing friend the 2015 since u said if not counted since I stayed more than 183 days out so still will it be counted in the citizenship calculator

So it will be 1427 days right
 

newintoronto

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Apr 15, 2017
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Nader. said:
This is your count
2012 292
2013 365
2014 189
2015 175
2016 328
2017 78

So year days in 2015 will be counted towards 1460 but the year will not be counted as 183 days in a year, so you need only 4 years (183 days in a year) which are 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016.
Question to Nader

If 2015 is not counted

Then how do I reach 1427 days ?