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Hello. I got married in September in China and I'm currently sponsoring my wife. I had a question regarding taxes that maybe one of you have run into. When filing my taxes this year I say that I'm married now. Since my wife is not a resident do I have to say what income she made last year in China? It also asks what to input for her social insurance number, since she isn't a resident she doesn't have one. My wife still lives with her Dad and she makes money to support herself so she is not a dependent for me.

I typically use turbo tax to filing my taxes online. But when I added saying I'm married and set my wife's income to 0 it is giving me a large tax return that doesn't make sense. I suspect since she isn't living in the country she isn't entitled to any tax refund?

Has anyone else come across this? What did you do?

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If she's making money in China and you put in your taxes she made $0 income, that would be tax fraud. When you put $0, your tax program is inputting the maximum credit amount into the "spouse or common-law partner amount" line item in your taxes, which would net you close to $2000 or so extra on your return. This would be ok to do only if she was NOT working in China so earned no income there, and you supported her financially from Canada. But that is not true in your case.

You have to include your wife's "world income" for your tax purposes. So take whatever she made in China in 2014, convert that to Canadian dollars, and indicate that for her income. Her world income plus your income, will be your new family income.

Usually once you change your tax status from single to married with CRA, the first thing they ask is your spouse's world income.

Also in case a program is asking for SIN of spouse but they don't have one, you can try entering 000 000 000.
 

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Oh I see. I thought they would only count her income if she made it in Canada. So they would give us a tax refund even though she isn't living here yet?
 

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mcdouga99 said:
Oh I see. I thought they would only count her income if she made it in Canada. So they would give us a tax refund even though she isn't living here yet?
Yes, if she made zero income in China and you could prove you were supporting her financially (so CRA may ask to see proofs of money transfers to her), then you could claim her under spouse amount credit.
 

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If you declare that you are married AND that your spouse had a global net income of zero Turbo Tax creates a deduction of $11 138 for you on line 303, right (a $1671 value)?

If so, that's because Turbo Tax simply assumes that the spouse is tax resident in Canada.

As Rob noted you need to indicate her global income but in fact that's rather beside the point I'd emphasize which is that in your situation - unless you've already told Revenue Canada that you are married (the general rule is that you are supposed to have done this within 30 days of the wedding) - I would say that I am single on my tax return. Why? Because the only rationale for saying you are married is 1) to claim benefits you wouldn't be entitled to (unless she couldn't maintain herself in her country without you sending her part of your income) or 2) because it's the truth that you are married. The problem with #2 here is that you are married is only part of the truth, and not the most important part. The rest of the truth is that your married status makes no difference as far as taxes are concerned because she's non-resident. It's more of a lie to to say you are married and submit a Turbo Tax generated E-FILE submission that makes a credit claim than to say you are single. The issue being Turbo Tax not having a provision that allows you to tell the whole truth.

For all the purists out there who object to my suggestion of filing as a single, may I note that entering all zeroes for the non-resident spouse's SIN number would be a lie? If it is OK to enter a bogus SIN number because the "system" doesn't allow for indicating the spouse has no SIN number, then the same logic would surely apply to the more-to-the-point fact that the spouse is non-resident and therefore (with a few rare exceptions) not a spouse who is relevant to the filing spouse's tax return. That bogus SIN number is going to create more indigestion for the "system" than indicating an unchanged marital status (I'd expect some government employee to take time away from serving some other citizen in order to call and investigate that SIN number). Bottom line is that filing as single would not be a MATERIAL representation.

My own plan is to look around some more for tax filing software that allows me to indicate that my spouse is non-resident. I'm skeptical, though, because non-resident doesn't ALWAYS mean that I can't get credits. I will probably file as single but I might simultaneously send a letter to Revenue Canada saying I am in fact married and simply filed as single because my married status was tax irrelevant (at this time). Such a letter might be more just to cover me off against information sharing with CIC where CIC might flag my tax return against our relationship being bona fide, but even there, my Option C said I was single and I was approved to sponsor by CIC without any apparent issues.
 

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BrianDell said:
unless you've already told Revenue Canada that you are married (the general rule is that you are supposed to have done this within 30 days of the wedding) - I would say that I am single on my tax return.
To not change your status from single to married or common-law in the tax year the event happens... is flat out tax fraud. If you are married, you must file as married, end of story. To not do so and if CRA found out, could lead to an audit and possible penalties.

For all the purists out there who object to my suggestion of filing as a single, may I note that entering all zeroes for the non-resident spouse's SIN number would be a lie?
It's not a lie, as it's a common way to indicate someone has no SIN or is a non-resident. Not sure about all tax programs in specific, but if doing an old fashioned paper return you could simply write "no SIN" or "not a Canadian" or something to that effect to indicate not having a SIN.

the spouse is non-resident and therefore (with a few rare exceptions) not a spouse who is relevant to the filing spouse's tax return. That bogus SIN number is going to create more indigestion for the "system" than indicating an unchanged marital status (I'd expect some government employee to take time away from serving some other citizen in order to call and investigate that SIN number).
You are allowed to claim the spouse credit for a non-resident spouse. As I said, in cases where spouses are not living together in Canada the CRA may want to see proof that the Canadian is in fact supporting them financially, and that the spouse has low enough world income to qualify.

But really whether or not it would be beneficial or have no impact, still doesn't give you permission to lie about your marital status on a tax return.

Bottom line is that filing as single would not be a MATERIAL representation.
Bottom line is that filing as single when you are in fact married, is tax fraud and misrepresentation.

Thousands of people have filed taxes as married with a non-resident spouse with no SIN.The workarounds such as using all 0's for SIN is nothing uncommon and more to overcome tax software limitations. If you're unsure about it, talk to an experienced accountant. But filing as single when you're not, then writing a letter to the CRA to tell them you filed your taxes wrong on purpose, is a good way to get yourself flagged for an audit.
 

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"To not do so and if CRA found out, could lead to an audit and possible penalties."

Can you share with me a historical example? I note here that Brian Dell is my legal name and I am a former employee of Finance Canada, which determines federal tax policy in this country. I met with CRA representatives as part of my job. I can't comment on how bureaucratic and narrow-minded a CRA employee might be, but as a law school graduate with additional accounting education I believe I can comment on what constitutes tax evasion and what doesn't. That said, I am not giving anyone professional advice here, but a personal opinion, just like the others on this forum.

"It's not a lie"

So it's true that that is her SIN number? I would call it a white lie, given that it is not true, just as telling Revenue Canada I'm single would be a white lie when I don't have the option with filing software to state that I'm married to a non-resident and it makes no difference to my tax situation. Walking into a singles bar and stating that I'm single would not be a white lie, however. Intent matters.

"it's a common way to indicate someone has no SIN or is a non-resident."

Can you direct us to a CRA interpretative bulletin recommending this? Not that these have the force of law anyway, but it would be a more convincing recommendation. I would think that if that was what the CRA believed (as opposed to whatever is "commonly" believed) it "indicated" then the CRA would just take it at face value that the spouse is non-resident such that it would not be necessary to follow up with filers about it. Common sense tells me that a return with a false SIN number in it is more likely to be flagged for audit by the system than a return filed as a single.

"You are allowed to claim the spouse credit for a non-resident spouse"

Yes, as I acknowledged, yet these circumstances are quite narrowly circumscribed as I noted in a post on February 6 that quoted from Interpretation Bulletin IT-513R. Readers should ensure that they have the necessary proof in the form required before claiming the credit.

"Bottom line is that filing as single when you are in fact married, is tax fraud and misrepresentation."

The bottom line is in fact that "tax fraud and misrepresentation" is determined by statute, regulation, and the case law as opposed to what anonymous commentators say in an online forum.

"a good way to get yourself flagged for an audit"

If there's anything that the general public should understand about tax policy, it's that it's never advisable to hide something. Policy aims to reward transparency, not penalize it.

I'll add that an audit does not necessarily mean the filer didn't exercise the highest integrity. Tax evasion is a crime, being audited is not. I'll quote again what CRA had to say about enforcement in this area:
"[we are interested in] the integrity of child and family benefits and credits programs. The CRA may validate your marital status to ensure you are receiving the benefits and credits that you are entitled to. If your marital status is reported incorrectly, it may affect the calculation of your child and family benefits."

A re-"calculation of child and family benefits" that one isn't trying to claim anyway doesn't sound like potential prosecution for "tax fraud and misrepresentation" to me.
 

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Here is a Q&A for one tax program:
http://support.drtax.ca/dtmax/eng/kb/dtmax/Keywords/T1/g435.htm
SIN
Use the keyword SIN to enter a client's social insurance number. When entering SINs, you do not need to enter the dashes or spaces, but you must enter nine (9) numbers. DT Max will check the validity of the SIN and warn the tax preparer if invalid. Even though DT Max will allow the entry of an invalid SIN, it is strongly suggested that you verify the SIN before printing the tax returns. If the actual SIN is not available, enter "000-000-000". This will enable the tax return to be processed in the interim, and is easily identifiable as a temporary SIN entry which, incidentally, will not be printed on the tax form.
DT Max will automatically allocate the number 000-000-000 to dependants. If a dependant has a valid SIN, or when they receive one, substitute it to the 000-000-000 entry.


This is commonplace for all tax software. As I said this has been done countless times and even if not officially recognized by CRA, using 000s for SIN is an acceptable workaround for dependents/spouses that don't have a SIN. Literally thousands of people have done this over several decades now and continue to do so, with no issue.

And no, being audited does not mean a crime has been committed, however in all cases one should be attempting to avoid an audit at all costs . This means submitting a tax return as "normal" and accurate as possible. And submitting a tax return as single when you are in fact married, is misrepresenting the basic facts and could flag you for an audit. And for many people simply being audited is already considered a loss due to the massive hassle in can be, no matter the outcome.

There are several easy workarounds if you want to submit a completely legitimate return without using the 000s for SIN.
1. Get your spouse am Individual Tax Number: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/t1261/t1261-14e.pdf
Use this form to apply for an individual tax number (ITN) from the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA). An ITN is a nine-digit number issued to non-resident individuals who need an identification number but who are not eligible to obtain a social insurance number (SIN).

2. Do NOT file your taxes online via efile. Use your tax software to generate your return, but instead of filing it online print out the final paper version of the return and mail it to CRA. Then under the section for spouse's SIN you can write in pen they are not a Canadian so don't have a SIN, instead of simply leavings as 000s. Or you could also write a cover letter along with your taxes explaining.

Both are much better alternatives that submitting a misrepresented tax return and then sending a separate correspondence to try and correct it.
 

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There are multiple reports, on this forum alone, of commentators being advised by their accountants to file as single. May I ask what your credentials are such that you are in a position to definitively declare that these professionals advised their clients to commit "tax fraud and misrepresentation", Rob? I'll add that in one of these reports, "Revenue Canada told me to send a letter updating marital status" the very thing I suggested and you deem to be an unacceptable "separate correspondence".

As for avoiding an audit, I will ask you again for a historical example, this time of someone who was flagged for audit for filing single when there was no tax advantage in doing so. It doesn't make any sense from a policy perspective, while what we DO have is multiple reports of the government conducting mini-audits of those false SIN numbers by asking for explanations and/or additional documentation like a world income statement for the non-resident spouse. You may call that "no issue" but I don't agree. In fact I haven't seen a report where the government did NOT ask for either a true SIN number OR a world income statement. From a policy perspective, CRA generally just cares about a spouse's income from the date he or she became tax resident, which in the overwhelming majority of cases will be when he or she became a PR. An exception here is for physically non-resident spouses living in the few countries Canada doesn't have a tax treaty with as there is a possibility that gaining a spouse in Canada would tip the scale assessing ties to Canada towards CRA concluding the spouse is tax resident in Canada. In these particularly rare cases, the income of the physically non-resident spouse would be taxable in Canada.

"This means submitting a tax return as "normal" and accurate as possible"

Yes, and in my view a return with a false SIN is neither "normal" nor accurate. Look at the "who can apply" part of the application for a ITN number form and none of those conditions apply here.

I am not pretending to be the final authority on these matters and am not about to criticize the 000 crowd, I am rather taking issue with the moralizing I often see around here about other people's choices or advice by reminding people of what matters here, and that's that one should generally not be claiming benefits for non-resident spouses (unless one is wiring $ to them that they need to live on) such that one's primarily obligation is to not do that. Not claiming to be married as far as taxes are concerned is the most straightforward way of "not doing that." The "tax fraud and misrepresentation" stuff is simply not true. Misrepresentation is a legal term of art as opposed to just whatever you say it is, and in contract law it includes a party suffering damages as a result. Worst case scenario here is being re-assessed and having to pay back the benefits for claiming to be single, benefits that I, for one, am not aware of.
 

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BrianDell said:
There are multiple reports, on this forum alone, of commentators being advised by their accountants to file as single. May I ask what your credentials are such that you are in a position to definitively declare that these professionals advised their clients to commit "tax fraud and misrepresentation", Rob? I'll add that in one of these reports, "Revenue Canada told me to send a letter updating marital status" the very thing I suggested and you deem to be an unacceptable "separate correspondence".
I was told to always file as per your actual marital status by my friend who works at the CRA audit department (for businesses though, not personal taxes), and by another who is an accountant.

Call it what you want, but if you are married and you file as single, you are misrepresenting your marital status whether or not you are benefiting from it. Yes in vast majority of cases a simple re-assessment will suffice to make the change, but it doesn't dismiss the fact that the initial taxes were done incorrectly.

filing single when there was no tax advantage in doing so.
Problem is, the CRA doesn't always know if there's an advantage until after they have done an audit. In majority of fraud cases, someone would continue filing as single despite being married or common-law, in order to retain benefits they are getting as single that they would not be eligible for when family income is taken into account. In going after the actual frauds, some people who have made innocent errors (such as not realizing common-law filing was mandatory) are caught in the net also. In the end yes since there was no advantage or harmful intent there may be no consequences, however just the hassle of everything is something that would be better avoided to begin with.

It doesn't make any sense from a policy perspective, while what we DO have is multiple reports of the government conducting mini-audits of those false SIN numbers by asking for explanations and/or additional documentation like a world income statement for the non-resident spouse. You may call that "no issue" but I don't agree. In fact I haven't seen a report where the government did NOT ask for either a true SIN number OR a world income statement.
Yes that's common practice from what I've seen. Once you change your marital status and indicate no SIN or a 000 SIN, CRA will send out a request for spouse world income as standard practice. This is usually only for the purposes of calculating new family income for the Canadian filing their taxes, not for taxable purposes on the spouse's non-resident income.

From a policy perspective, CRA generally just cares about a spouse's income from the date he or she became tax resident, which in the overwhelming majority of cases will be when he or she became a PR. An exception here is for physically non-resident spouses living in the few countries Canada doesn't have a tax treaty with as there is a possibility that gaining a spouse in Canada would tip the scale assessing ties to Canada towards CRA concluding the spouse is tax resident in Canada. In these particularly rare cases, the income of the physically non-resident spouse would be taxable in Canada.
Also they would care in the case a Canadian is receiving benefits according to their single income, but once the Canadian gets married to a non-resident the non-resident's world income is then used to determine the Canadian's family income, and what benefits they are now entitled to.

Yes, and in my view a return with a false SIN is neither "normal" nor accurate.
In my view I would go by what the actual tax programs certified by the CRA recommend, which seems to be using the 000 numbers for dependents/spouses with no SIN.

Look at the "who can apply" part of the application for a ITN number form and none of those conditions apply here.
That is not an absolute list, it is just showing a few possible examples that "could occur". If you notice, it states :
Who can apply
You can apply if you do not have, and are not eligible to obtain, a SIN
but you need to provide an individual tax number to the CRA. For
example, this could occur if you are:


A non-resident spouse could obtain an ITN if they wanted to, but there is really no point considering using 000 for dependents and indicating world income seems to be generally accepted by CRA.

Not claiming to be married as far as taxes are concerned is the most straightforward way of "not doing that." The "tax fraud and misrepresentation" stuff is simply not true. Misrepresentation is a legal term of art as opposed to just whatever you say it is, and in contract law it includes a party suffering damages as a result. Worst case scenario here is being re-assessed and having to pay back the benefits for claiming to be single, benefits that I, for one, am not aware of.
The most straightforward way to me is filing as married if you are married. And as I said above, if you print off your return and send it by mail you don't need to use the 000 SIN, you can write in pen in that section that spouse is non-resident and doesn't have a SIN. When CRA reviews your return, they will see your married status, and that partner has no SIN, and will be doing everything the proper way.

I'm sure you are right that in majority of cases filing as single will turn out to be fine as long as the intent is not to benefit financially from it. However I've heard stories of how people are selected for audit, and sometimes it's very simple inaccuracies like this in a tax return that flag someone. So to be very safe I will always recommend people that are married or common-law, simply change their status with CRA and file as married or common-law no matter if it has no effect on their actual return amount. Of course in the end it may just be a difference of opinion, but for me I trust the advice given to me by those in the industry.
 

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so what if you are only married for 2 months in a tax year, do you really need to change your status to married for that year?

brian, you keep asking rob for "historical examples". kindly provide information from the CRA or "historical examples" about NOT changing status to married because your spouse is a non-resident.
 

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so what if you are only married for 2 months in a tax year, do you really need to change your status to married for that year?
You are supposed to file taxes as married/common-law, if you got married or became common-law anytime during that tax year.

So if you got married Dec 30, 2014... then technically your 2014 taxes should be done as married and not single.

Just look at the T1 General form: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/5006-r/5006-r-14e.pdf
Marital status
Tick the box that applies to your marital status on
December 31, 2014:


So at it's simplest, checking single when you were in fact married, is not doing your taxes correctly. Perhaps the word "fraud" is too strong a word since there is no harmful intent, but it is definitely not accurate to do. And right under that section on the T1, you can write in "non-resident" across where they are asking for spouse's SIN.
 

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Rob_TO said:
You are supposed to file taxes as married/common-law, if you got married or became common-law anytime during that tax year.

So if you got married Dec 30, 2014... then technically your 2014 taxes should be done as married and not single.

Just look at the T1 General form: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pbg/tf/5006-r/5006-r-14e.pdf
Marital status
Tick the box that applies to your marital status on
December 31, 2014:


So at it's simplest, checking single when you were in fact married, is not doing your taxes correctly. Perhaps the word "fraud" is too strong a word since there is no harmful intent, but it is definitely not accurate to do. And right under that section on the T1, you can write in "non-resident" across where they are asking for spouse's SIN.
yeah, that's what i thought and we will go ahead and do that. of course my husband didn't file 2013 taxes, so we need to start from there, then both do our 2014 taxes. i find it so interesting how easy it is to not file taxes in canada, and how there really isn't any consequence for it! in the us, the fear of g-d is put in us to do it every year by april 15! i guess that's the difference when you can be put in jail for tax invasion. :)
 

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yeah, that's what i thought and we will go ahead and do that. of course my husband didn't file 2013 taxes, so we need to start from there, then both do our 2014 taxes. i find it so interesting how easy it is to not file taxes in canada, and how there really isn't any consequence for it! in the us, the fear of g-d is put in us to do it every year by april 15! i guess that's the difference when you can be put in jail for tax invasion. :)
I wouldn't say there are no consequences. Though certainly nothing close to the IRS.

If you owe taxes, you can be hit with years of penalties and interest payments for filing late. If you are owed a refund, then it's not a big deal (but of course it's in your best interest to file every year).

However the longer you go without filing taxes (whether you owe or would get a refund), the more a chance there is of being flagged for an audit if you do multiple years of taxes at once. Even if you are legit about everything, an audit is not fun and is something you want to avoid at all costs.
 

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Even if you are legit about everything, an audit is not fun and is something you want to avoid at all costs.
yeah, no kidding. now that my husband has a wife, i suspect the days of forgetting to file taxes are over. :)