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Question - how does CIC using CBSA Report

Lei_F

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I had my citizenship test passed today. However, during the officer interview she found two stamps on my passport I went to US which i did not write down. I remembered those two dates are one day snowboarding trip. However, I applied the citizenship at 1097 days. She would like to request for CBSA reports and she mentioned to me it takes them 3-4 days to get it (is it true)

Anyway, my concern is:

I had written down all the trips i have to declare. However, some of them I only had entry stamps go to US (driving) and there were no entry records when i came back to Canada. but I wrote them all done anyway.

Will i have to approve to them if the CBSA reports doesn't show those trips? does anyone had any experience like this and what happened after?

Thanks
 

echorael

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Lei_F said:
I had my citizenship test passed today. However, during the officer interview she found two stamps on my passport I went to US which i did not write down. I remembered those two dates are one day snowboarding trip. However, I applied the citizenship at 1097 days. She would like to request for CBSA reports and she mentioned to me it takes them 3-4 days to get it (is it true)

Anyway, my concern is:

I had written down all the trips i have to declare. However, some of them I only had entry stamps go to US (driving) and there were no entry records when i came back to Canada. but I wrote them all done anyway.

Will i have to approve to them if the CBSA reports doesn't show those trips? does anyone had any experience like this and what happened after?

Thanks
If the return/exit entries are not in the CBSA report, they might choose to issue you CIT 520 or the full RQ. Your PP days are so close 1097. I hope that they will be satisfied with the CBSA report. By the way, did you feel that she (the interviewer) is correct when she mentioned the 3-4 days to get the CBSA report???
It took me more than a month to get that report!!!
 

Lei_F

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echorael said:
If the return/exit entries are not in the CBSA report, they might choose to issue you CIT 520 or the full RQ. Your PP days are so close 1097. I hope that they will be satisfied with the CBSA report. By the way, did you feel that she (the interviewer) is correct when she mentioned the 3-4 days to get the CBSA report???
It took me more than a month to get that report!!!
Thanks for answering. I have been here for 10 years and working in Canada for the last 6 years, AND only leave Canada for vacations. I am not sure how RQ is going to help on validate my trips.

For the CBSA report. they said they will send email and they can get within 3-4 days.
 

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Yet another confirmation that despite what CIC says in the instructions, applicants should list day trips. As I've written before, the citizenship officers compare all declared trips with the passport stamps and check them off in a mechanical fashion. If you had listed these two day trips, they would not have questioned them at all. I am not blaming you, the exact same thing happened to me. It's absolutely ridiculous that people are penalized for doing exactly what they are instructed to do.

I don't know how I feel about it taking just a few days for CIC to obtain the CBSA report vs. more than a month for the rest of us. If it helps processing times, great, but I kind of doubt it.

On top of that, there is a pretty good chance, if these were land crossings, that the CBSA report will not contain any record of your coming back to Canada on the same day. So the whole thing may well be an exercise in futility and cause unnecessary delays in your file's processing.
 

Raman_Ram

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I too have a similar situ for a five days trip, but fortunately I took flights and fortunately still have a 3+ year old return boarding pass just because it was my first Las Vegas trip ;D No entry stamp at CAD border. Wish I knew the citi app issues earlier, I would have saved all the boarding passes :-\
 

arambi

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bambino said:
Yet another confirmation that despite what CIC says in the instructions, applicants should list day trips. As I've written before, the citizenship officers compare all declared trips with the passport stamps and check them off in a mechanical fashion. If you had listed these two day trips, they would not have questioned them at all. I am not blaming you, the exact same thing happened to me. It's absolutely ridiculous that people are penalized for doing exactly what they are instructed to do.

I don't know how I feel about it taking just a few days for CIC to obtain the CBSA report vs. more than a month for the rest of us. If it helps processing times, great, but I kind of doubt it.

On top of that, there is a pretty good chance, if these were land crossings, that the CBSA report will not contain any record of your coming back to Canada on the same day. So the whole thing may well be an exercise in futility and cause unnecessary delays in your file's processing.
It makes sense to list ALL trips: think about the CO who is mechanically matching your app to CBSA report... The report doesn't tell if it's a same day trip or not... So he's going to question anything on CBSA report that is not listed on your app... To avoid or reduce the likelihood of this questioning, I decided to list ALL trips like many others on this forum
 

Lei_F

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Hi bambino

Do you mean CBSA doesn't record the same day trip? I remembered when i came back on the same day for snowboarding trip. The officer just look at my PR card and then let me pass.

Anyway, thanks for all the answers. I just wish I had list all the trips on the form.. sigh

bambino said:
Yet another confirmation that despite what CIC says in the instructions, applicants should list day trips. As I've written before, the citizenship officers compare all declared trips with the passport stamps and check them off in a mechanical fashion. If you had listed these two day trips, they would not have questioned them at all. I am not blaming you, the exact same thing happened to me. It's absolutely ridiculous that people are penalized for doing exactly what they are instructed to do.

I don't know how I feel about it taking just a few days for CIC to obtain the CBSA report vs. more than a month for the rest of us. If it helps processing times, great, but I kind of doubt it.

On top of that, there is a pretty good chance, if these were land crossings, that the CBSA report will not contain any record of your coming back to Canada on the same day. So the whole thing may well be an exercise in futility and cause unnecessary delays in your file's processing.
 

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So long as the authorization is given by the client, I doubt that CIC requests the CBSA report from CBSA. It is more likely that certain officers at CIC have authority to directly access the CBSA databases for this information now. So, while it probably does involve a referral, it is probably an internal CIC referral (to designated personnel who go into the CBSA database to retrieve this information), and so a few days makes sense even though it takes a month or more for similar requests made by clients through the ATIP process.

I too recognized the dilemma about day trips. I did not declare all day trips in my residency calculation, but instead reported one for each year and in the "reasons" box referred to it being one of x number of day trips that year (number varied from year to year), so that I at least reported how many day trips I made, and did so relative to each calendar year. Obviously that was not what applicants are instructed to do. While I often say that the best advice is to simply follow the instructions, I recognize there are exceptions.

I cringe whenever I see someone apply with little or no margin over the 1095 day actual physical presence threshold. Many do. For Lei_F it is done, what-is is what-is. More than a couple years ago the prospect of CIC possibly deducting a day or three here or there, so that the total slipped just below the 1095 day threshold, would have been no big deal, not anything to worry about. Probably still is NOT cause to worry much, but there appears to be a lot more riding on whether CIC calculates actual presence to meet the physical presence test or not.

Reminder: a day trip to the U.S. involving a return past midnight is not a day trip. More than a few have reported being tripped up by this. And the problem is compounded because not only does it result in losing a day in the calculation, it also becomes an undeclared trip, and thus potentially damages the applicant's credibility. My sense is that CIC is usually understanding about these things and does not penalize applicants for isolated minor discrepancies. But multiple instances of this, or if there are any other reasons CIC perceives cause for concern about the accuracy and completeness of the travel declarations, can spill into problematic territory.

Note about the potential for RQ: no reason to get anxious about RQ unless it happens. All PRs should, of course, maintain the sorts of records which will need to be submitted if given RQ, and hopefully you have but will never need to present them to CIC. If RQ happens, however, it is no longer just about dates of exit and entry. It is about documenting place of abode for every month in the four relevant years. It is about documenting employment or schooling, likewise for all 48 months in the relevant four years. It is about all the usual factors and ties that are relevant to any residency determination. Both sides of the equation should add up: the travel dates, on one side, and documentation of life actually lived in Canada on the other.

Finally: CIC looks at things in context. For a person who has long been settled in Canada, working in Canada, the fact of having applied with virtually no margin over the 1095 day presence threshold may trigger a closer look and an effort to verify travel dates (such as a check of the CBSA travel history), but CIC is probably nonetheless leaning toward a no-problem path to citizenship unless a significant omission or discrepancy shows up in the report.
 

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I ordered CBSA report on 20th October 2014
Received report on 27th November 2014
Cover letter has date: 20th November 2014
The report has date October 28, 2014.

It means that they actually processed the request in 7 days .
Thus that's why I think CIC can get reports from CBSA in 7 days but when general public asks about it, it takes 1 month (might be their policy)

That could be the reason why CIC tells us not to contact CBSA for reports.
 

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dpenabill said:
I cringe whenever I see someone apply with little or no margin over the 1095 day actual physical presence threshold. Many do. For Lei_F it is done, what-is is what-is. More than a couple years ago the prospect of CIC possibly deducting a day or three here or there, so that the total slipped just below the 1095 day threshold, would have been no big deal, not anything to worry about. Probably still is NOT cause to worry much, but there appears to be a lot more riding on whether CIC calculates actual presence to meet the physical presence test or not.
Agreed. I was off by one day on one of my trips. But I applied with a 2 week buffer. That really helped since the interviewer even say that I was off a day but "have a lot of buffer days so it is fine". If I applied with 1096 days, I probably would have had problems.
 

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jazibkg said:
Isn't the careful thing to do is at least have 2-4 weeks of buffer before applying?
Yes, but many people are so impatient that they apply right when they qualify. I'm sure you'll see a lot more of these around the cut-off date for when the 4 out of 6 years rule comes into effect
 

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OMG I really hope my husband doesn't have to declare every day trip to the US. We have no record of them. We live less than 10km to the border and go shopping in Washington state sometimes. Also we're frequently picking up packages from a postal office in Sumas and these trips are like 30min when we walk across. He does have 1244 days (after absences) so hopefully that makes up for it. :(
 

jazibkg

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Kess said:
OMG I really hope my husband doesn't have to declare every day trip to the US. We have no record of them. We live less than 10km to the border and go shopping in Washington state sometimes. Also we're frequently picking up packages from a postal office in Sumas and these trips are like 30min when we walk across. He does have 1244 days (after absences) so hopefully that makes up for it. :(
same day trips to the US don't count. If you crossed the border to fill up your gas tank, and came back a few minutes later, the day still counts as being spent within Canada.
 

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jazibkg said:
same day trips to the US don't count. If you crossed the border to fill up your gas tank, and came back a few minutes later, the day still counts as being spent within Canada.
That's not the issue. The problem is that it's likely that his passport was stamped by the Americans during one or more of those day trips. If that is the case, when the citizenship officer compares all stamps in the passport to the declared trips, he or she will notice the discrepancy. Hopefully in places like Vancouver, where applicants take many day trips, a simple explanation at the interview will suffice. For many of us, however, it led to form CIT 0520 being issued on the spot.

It may also very much depend on the officer. The guy who interviewed me after the test actually had to ask one of his colleagues what the rule was about day trips. Then I was interviewed further by another officer, and that person also seemed confused, particularly with respect to how I-94s work (you get one and a stamp in the passport, and are good for 6 months). She also commented somewhat disapprovingly that I travel a whole lot... which I do, but mostly 10 day vacation trips a couple of times a year to a variety of places all over the world... like, WTF!