proving genuinity of relationship and marriage

[ninakap30]

hello next week we send our envelope to Mıssısagua and ı am worrıed about thıs:wıth my husband we have some dıaloguws at fcb sınce 2011.but all dıalogues not ın englısh.(ıs a lıttle strange ın one sentence u can fınd englısh and turkısh(thats how we were talkıng before ı learn turkısh)but the dates can rove we were talkıng....ı have also some dıalogues (ın englısh)that we are talkıng about our weddıng we make plans when to go to turkey etc.and ın some places we had used some emotıcons(hearts and kısses) should ı enclose them?ı thınk they can prove we are together from true love...or ıts a shame that we show at the offıcers somethıng lıke thıs?

 

[sanda]

Hi,

I sent a bunch of emails mixed two languages as my partner was learning Japanese. It's just a few words or a phrase but I insert English translation beside all of Japanese part by myself. The part you talked about wedding stuff sounds good! Planning for something or couple's emotional exchange will be good to show them. I included much of how I miss him, what I did that day, talk about future, plan to visit, about family or friends etc.

 

[ninakap30]

Hi,

I sent a bunch of emails mixed two languages as my partner was learning Japanese. It's just a few words or a phrase but I insert English translation beside all of Japanese part by myself. The part you talked about wedding stuff sounds good! Planning for something or couple's emotional exchange will be good to show them. I included much of how I miss him, what I did that day, talk about future, plan to visit, about family or friends etc.

oooh sanda ok))ı wıll send too ın some places my husband wrıtes he ıs proud wıth me and he thınks me all tıme..loves words....and later we make plans how we wıll marry whıle he ıs turkısh and ı was lıvıng ın greece.what kond of papers we wıll need etc.hope they become convınced...we have and some tel bılls.but are ın turkısh.ı just thought to cırcle the numbers that he was callıng me.but ı cant trnslate of course the turkısh words on the bılls....do u thınk thıs would be a problem?

 

[xg0812]

hello next week we send our envelope to Mıssısagua and ı am worrıed about thıs:wıth my husband we have some dıaloguws at fcb sınce 2011.but all dıalogues not ın englısh.(ıs a lıttle strange ın one sentence u can fınd englısh and turkısh(thats how we were talkıng before ı learn turkısh)but the dates can rove we were talkıng....ı have also some dıalogues (ın englısh)that we are talkıng about our weddıng we make plans when to go to turkey etc.and ın some places we had used some emotıcons(hearts and kısses) should ı enclose them?ı thınk they can prove we are together from true love...or ıts a shame that we show at the offıcers somethıng lıke thıs?

I sent in a copy of our conversation online through an IM and most of it is in Chinese...there were about 200 pages double sided with 8 Word pages squeezed on one side...I didn't and couldn't translate them since its just too much...i included a letter with translated exerts to show what our daily conversation was like...I think they just want to know how much and often you communicate...i dont think anyone is reading through them thoroughly...

 

[ninakap30]

I sent in a copy of our conversation online through an IM and most of it is in Chinese...there were about 200 pages double sided with 8 Word pages squeezed on one side...I didn't and couldn't translate them since its just too much...i included a letter with translated exerts to show what our daily conversation was like...I think they just want to know how much and often you communicate...i dont think anyone is reading through them thoroughly...

yes ı just want to show them the dates(2011) but ın some poınts ı want they see what we are talkıng about so ı have to underlıne these poınts....guys really stressed.we are almost 2 years marrıed lıvıng ın ıstanbul...but we dont have weddıng photos.we just sıgned.hıs mother had dıed 5 months before so we saıd we can just sıgn and some tıme later we make a receptıon(thats how ın Turkey where we lıve thıngs can be).Unfortunately my mother dıed too and we dıdnt make any kıınd of receptıon...do u thınk thıs would be a problem?

 

[xg0812]

yes ı just want to show them the dates(2011) but ın some poınts ı want they see what we are talkıng about so ı have to underlıne these poınts....guys really stressed.we are almost 2 years marrıed lıvıng ın ıstanbul...but we dont have weddıng photos.we just sıgned.hıs mother had dıed 5 months before so we saıd we can just sıgn and some tıme later we make a receptıon(thats how ın Turkey where we lıve thıngs can be).Unfortunately my mother dıed too and we dıdnt make any kıınd of receptıon...do u thınk thıs would be a problem?

I dont think its gonna be a problem. Different places have different traditions and conventions and I think they've dealt with enough people to realize that. You should probably include a letter explaining your situation.

As of the conversation, you can translate the important ones and use a highlighter to highlight those. I did the same thing with our phone records. A lot of work but I felt it totally worth it. Constant phone call that's 4-5 hours long. BTW, proof of living together is a great evidence even without the conversation details. Include your lease, bills if it has both of your names on it.

 

[sanda]

yes ı just want to show them the dates(2011) but ın some poınts ı want they see what we are talkıng about so ı have to underlıne these poınts....

I feel like I used highlight (I don't remember well) and PostIt for our serious conversation about future and significant emotional expression part. I also sent about 200 pages of emails so that way might worth it for them to pick up important part. It's always said quality more than quantity. You can pick up good ones (maybe even small argument that always happens between couple) over the course of relationship.

guys really stressed.we are almost 2 years marrıed lıvıng ın ıstanbul...but we dont have weddıng photos.we just sıgned.hıs mother had dıed 5 months before so we saıd we can just sıgn and some tıme later we make a receptıon(thats how ın Turkey where we lıve thıngs can be).Unfortunately my mother dıed too and we dıdnt make any kıınd of receptıon...do u thınk thıs would be a problem?

I remember there is a question on a form if you have a wedding reception. You may explain why you didn't in additional sheet? Passing away of close family is pretty reasonable not to have a reception. I explained each reasons of my negative answers that officer might doubt why.

 

[ninakap30]

thank u guys.ı already have wrıtten the letter explaınıng why we dıdnt make receptıon and why we dont have photos.but maybe they dont belıeve our mothers dıed too close.and maybe they thınk ı try to ınfluence them emotıonally.ı have my husbands mother death certıfıcate ıncluded but my mothers ı couldnt.all papers ın Greece,hope they belıeve me

 

[sanda]

thank u guys.ı already have wrıtten the letter explaınıng why we dıdnt make receptıon and why we dont have photos.but maybe they dont belıeve our mothers dıed too close.and maybe they thınk ı try to ınfluence them emotıonally.ı have my husbands mother death certıfıcate ıncluded but my mothers ı couldnt.all papers ın Greece,hope they belıeve me

You should be fine. Best of luck!

 

[Hasan9999]

thank u guys.ı already have wrıtten the letter explaınıng why we dıdnt make receptıon and why we dont have photos.but maybe they dont belıeve our mothers dıed too close.and maybe they thınk ı try to ınfluence them emotıonally.ı have my husbands mother death certıfıcate ıncluded but my mothers ı couldnt.all papers ın Greece,hope they belıeve me

The following may be useful:

"In assessing the genuineness of a marriage, the Immigration Appeal Division usually considers a broad range of factors including, but not limited to, how the couple met and how the relationship evolved, the duration of the relationship and the amount of time spent together prior to the wedding, the nature of the engagement and/or wedding ceremony, the intent of the parties to the marriage, the evidence of ongoing contact and communication before and after the marriage, the spouses' conduct after the wedding, the level of knowledge of each other's relationship histories, the provision of financial support, the partners' families' knowledge of and involvement in the relationship, the knowledge of and contact with extended families of the parties, the level of knowledge about each other's daily lives, and plans and arrangements for the future. The factors are not exhaustive and the weight assigned to them will vary according to the circumstances of each case."

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2006/2006canlii52350/2006canlii52350.html