Proof Of Relationship docs - Email

[astroduck]

Hi all,

Do I need to print out every single email between myself and my wife as part of the documents to show our relationship? Do we need to show the content as well?

Please let me know.

Thanks.

astro

 

[ajith111]

Hi all,

Do I need to print out every single email between myself and my wife as part of the documents to show our relationship? Do we need to show the content as well?

Please let me know.

Thanks.

astro

Send as much as you can. Dont leave any stone unturned. Its always the best to give surplus of evidence. It will surely help you. Hope this helps!

 

[annabruce]

I recall finding on the CIC website a doument that actually defines precisely what they look for in a "conjugal relationship". I went through each section of that document and tried to include evidence to support each section.

I was trying to find this document. Maybe someone else will have better luck. I'll keep searching ...

 

[astroduck]

Thanks for the reply, guys. I looks like I should submit every single page of all the emails, Facebook message, video chat log (we did lots of video chatting).

I have any question with regards to phone bills, is it okay for me to highlight all the call logs between my wife and myself? I just thought I will be easier for the Immgration office to view since the bills have all kinds of different phone numbers.

 

[ajith111]

Thanks for the reply, guys. I looks like I should submit every single page of all the emails, Facebook message, video chat log (we did lots of video chatting).

I have any question with regards to phone bills, is it okay for me to highlight all the call logs between my wife and myself? I just thought I will be easier for the Immgration office to view since the bills have all kinds of different phone numbers.

Yes, you should certainly do like that. You are making the VO's work easy and he/she might be pleased too...

Good Luck!

 

[ocanadaguy]

Oh yeah.. one more thing... not sure if it applies to you.. but if you send money to your spouse.. then send proof of that too.. I went to my bank and was able to get the last 1.5 years of papers of proof they sent money to my sponsors account.. My wife also sent me some monthly bank statements showing my deposits into her account.. I highlighted the important things since the bank statements are in a different language... The CIC lady (yes, i called them a lot) hehe.. she said that proof of sending money is very good proof of relationship.. and the fact that I can show for the last 1.5 years back... very good! So if you did this too and can prove it.. I highly recommend it... (from what I've been told).

 

[astroduck]

Oh yeah.. one more thing... not sure if it applies to you.. but if you send money to your spouse.. then send proof of that too.. I went to my bank and was able to get the last 1.5 years of papers of proof they sent money to my sponsors account.. My wife also sent me some monthly bank statements showing my deposits into her account.. I highlighted the important things since the bank statements are in a different language... The CIC lady (yes, i called them a lot) hehe.. she said that proof of sending money is very good proof of relationship.. and the fact that I can show for the last 1.5 years back... very good! So if you did this too and can prove it.. I highly recommend it... (from what I've been told).

Thanks for the advice, ocanadaguy. We married in July 2011 but didn't setup a joint account until Nov 2011 (I have been paying my wife cash up to Nov). However, I have made regular deposit into the account since Nov (twice a week) and all the contributions came from me (My wife cannot work in Canada so she has no income). Hopefully the visa office won't be questioning the lack of joint account between July to Oct 2011.

 

[ocanadaguy]

I don't think so... when you have proof like that... I don't have a joint account (yet).. when she's here.. then obviously... but she is the beneficiary incase anything ever happens to me at work etc. We'll see what happens with me.. but I am not nervous about this.

 

[astroduck]

Lucky, I put my wife as the beneficiary through my work benefit plan. So technically, she is eligible for all the coverages that I have (health, dental, disability, etc).
Do you think that is a good proof?

 

[AllisonVSC]

I recall finding on the CIC website a doument that actually defines precisely what they look for in a "conjugal relationship". I went through each section of that document and tried to include evidence to support each section.

I was trying to find this document. Maybe someone else will have better luck. I'll keep searching ...

I would discourage thinking that sending everything plus the kitchen sink is the best way to go. Annabruce is probably referring to the OP 2 processing manual for family class which details what they are looking for. Stick to the kinds of evidence they say that they are looking for and save the officer the headache of trying to make sense out of every email and facebook exchange you've ever had with your spouse!!

From the manual...

The following are key elements that officers may use to establish whether a couple is in a conjugal
relationship. These apply to spouses, common-law partners and conjugal partners.

a) Mutual commitment to a shared life to the exclusion of all other conjugal relationships
A conjugal relationship is characterized by mutual commitment, exclusivity, and interdependence

b) Interdependent – physically, emotionally, financially, socially
The two individuals in a conjugal relationship are interdependent – they have combined their
affairs both economically and socially. The assessment of whether two individuals are in a
conjugal relationship should focus on evidence of interdependency.

SOURCE: OP 2 Processing Members of the Family Class
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf

Target your evidence so the officer can go "check, check, check" ongoing communication, mutual commitment, interdependent. Examples of evidence of the interdependence are found on p. 21

 

[astroduck]

I would discourage thinking that sending everything plus the kitchen sink is the best way to go. Annabruce is probably referring to the OP 2 processing manual for family class which details what they are looking for. Stick to the kinds of evidence they say that they are looking for and save the officer the headache of trying to make sense out of every email and facebook exchange you've ever had with your spouse!!

From the manual...

The following are key elements that officers may use to establish whether a couple is in a conjugal
relationship. These apply to spouses, common-law partners and conjugal partners.

a) Mutual commitment to a shared life to the exclusion of all other conjugal relationships
A conjugal relationship is characterized by mutual commitment, exclusivity, and interdependence

b) Interdependent – physically, emotionally, financially, socially
The two individuals in a conjugal relationship are interdependent – they have combined their
affairs both economically and socially. The assessment of whether two individuals are in a
conjugal relationship should focus on evidence of interdependency.

SOURCE: OP 2 Processing Members of the Family Class
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf

Target your evidence so the officer can go "check, check, check" ongoing communication, mutual commitment, interdependent. Examples of evidence of the interdependence are found on p. 21

This is really helpful, AllisonVSC. I am surprised that CIC actually post their assessment process for immigration to the public. I mean anyone can go in and see what type of documents that the officers are looking.

 

[annabruce]

I would discourage thinking that sending everything plus the kitchen sink is the best way to go. Annabruce is probably referring to the OP 2 processing manual for family class which details what they are looking for. Stick to the kinds of evidence they say that they are looking for and save the officer the headache of trying to make sense out of every email and facebook exchange you've ever had with your spouse!!

From the manual...

The following are key elements that officers may use to establish whether a couple is in a conjugal
relationship. These apply to spouses, common-law partners and conjugal partners.

a) Mutual commitment to a shared life to the exclusion of all other conjugal relationships
A conjugal relationship is characterized by mutual commitment, exclusivity, and interdependence

b) Interdependent – physically, emotionally, financially, socially
The two individuals in a conjugal relationship are interdependent – they have combined their
affairs both economically and socially. The assessment of whether two individuals are in a
conjugal relationship should focus on evidence of interdependency.

SOURCE: OP 2 Processing Members of the Family Class
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf

Target your evidence so the officer can go "check, check, check" ongoing communication, mutual commitment, interdependent. Examples of evidence of the interdependence are found on p. 21

Yes, exactly right, Allison. Thanks. I printed that out from section 5.26, went through each part and even noted for them how I had satisfied each requirement. I included this with the application.

 

[boshetunmai]

Agree with Allison and Annabruce - I would go the route they are suggesting. Quality, not quantity - and make sure it is well organized.

For example, my husband and I showed a screenshot of our email inboxes containing hundreds of emails to show that we e-mail each other regularly, but I only printed off 4 or 5 full e-mails from different times throughout our relationship. Same thing with chat logs - I have them all saved, and showed a screenshot of the folder with explanation, but only printed 4 or 5 chat logs.

Seemed to be fine, our application was approved

 

[canadianwoman]

I agree with boshetunmai's approach. Print the logs of all your emails, chats, etc. Then choose a few from throughout your relationship and include the whole thing. For example, you could include one email a month from the beginning of your relationship till now; or choose a few emails that show you two talking about something important. Then include the statement that you have other emails, and will send them to the visa officer if he/she wants to see them. There is no need to send them all.