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ruanp28

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Hi guys,

I hope everyone is well! Just a quick question, are there any of you who had to provide proof of intention and might give some insight on how we can be successful?

We have read a lot of mixed responses, so we are not entirely sure whether we would even be considered.

Our case is as follows (in a nutshell):

- We both live in South Africa, together for 4.5 years, living together for 4 years. I am 27 (just turned) and she is 23. She is Canadian by descent, so never lived there before. Due to the terrible condition of our country, we decided to move for a safer future.

- We have no ties to Canada, except for friends we met on online forums who also moved from S.A, who know of our intentions and provided us with a room to rent. It is awesome to have met such kind people, but we would have to first look where we would find jobs (entry level) and then look for a small place to rent again. Point is, we at least have a room to rent, so we do have housing plans. We are not going to sign leases and throw away money when we have friends that offered to help.

-CIC mentions that evidence includes lease or job offers, but this is out of the question. Lease agreements we can get for the room, with physical address, but no one in their right mind would offer us jobs if we cannot even give a date that we will begin.

So basically we have no ties, except the people who know we are moving. Our parents also agreed to help out financially until we are on our feet, and we will go over with about 15 000 dollars in savings. In addition, my fiancee does have her own registered company in S.A, which would also generate some constant income until she can replicate the business in Canada after a year or two. In the beginning she will also get a job and run her company after hours. Bank records and Tax records of the company exists, which brings in about 2 000 dollars a month. (S.A exchange rate is not good at all, thus we wont be able to save more than 15k at the moment).

My questions are as follows:

1) I know there is no income requirement, but they may ask. Since our country's cost of living is low, and exchange rate is bad, we currently make about 5$ an hour, which is enough in S.A to afford rent, vehicles, medical, groceries and even enough spending that allows us to dine and go to movies and buy nice toys. So our yearly income would definitely not be similar to Canada's minimum, but when considering purchasing power, we are both employed in decent jobs (I have a bcom. degree in logistics from one of our top universities). As such, we do have potential to get jobs in Canada (even if it means min. wage), since we both are fluent in English and we have proper ethics and acumen. I dont want to waste money and be rejected, then I might as well go over on TRV and open work permit.

2) Do people get failed on proof of intent easily, and what can we do to avoid it? Buying air tickets etc. wont help if we dont have certainty, but we are dead serious about moving asap. If it wasnt for proof of intent we would have probably already started our application, but we are so paranoid. We live in a third world country run by a bunch of corrupt politicians and a president who cannot read or count (feel free to Google it). So we definitely dont intend on getting my PR just for the fun of it, especially since it costs a lot to start with, thanks to the terrible exchange rate. Has anyone else been in the same boat (no ties, no job offers etc.) and actually made it?

The only thing stopping us from going directly is the fact that we are not 100% whether they would accept her to sponsor me, since our exchange rate makes our income look terrible (around 20k a year when put in dollars), but we live very comfortable lives in S.A making about R250 000 a year. (To put things in perspective, a small 2 bedroom house costs R750 000 in a decent area), an apartment anywhere from R500 000. So we are making good money THIS side, but it may not look that great in dollars. Surely they need to understand the concept of Purchasing Power Parity? It's basic international economics.

I know this post is long, but I wanted to give as much information as possible.
 
You could just come to Canada as a visitor, and then have her sponsor you. When you are in Canada, she can sponsor you inland or outland. With inland, you would get an open work permit after about 4 months; with outland there is no work permit, but the processing times are generally much faster.

She can also sponsor you outland while you are still in South Africa. She would then have to prove her intent to return. Having a place to live is good evidence - your friends and landlords can write an affidavit stating they know you are moving to Canada and will be giving you a place to stay. You should also include affidavits from any family members or friends who are willing to help you, such as by providing you with money.

Your finances should not be a problem. The visa officer will know that your incomes are fine in SA. You can include a letter in the application explaining how you plan to support yourselves once you get to Canada: what jobs you will be looking for, any savings you have to live on while looking, where you will live, etc. This letter is also part of your proof that you will be going to Canada.
 
Thanks so much for responding, we will add letters from our parents that agreed to help us with some extra savings each month. We figured having around 15k in savings would be fine, since we wont be unemployed for long (at least that is what we pray for) should we target min. wage jobs (since I am in logistics consulting, I wills tart looking for assistant jobs at warehouses etc.).

Your answer is clear and to the point, thank you for that. We are going to try outland first, and keep on saving while the application is processed. If they fail us at the sponsorship process due to funds (we are both employed and able to save each month so I doubt it), we at least know we would not have been able to even apply from within Canada.

If they fail us due to intent, can we request to just move immediately? I mean, if they fail us for not residing in Canada, they probably cannot fail us if we move (just kidding, I know that would be a stupid thing to do).

I read somewhere we should not convert our income to dollars when applying, since it does not take into account the difference in min. wages (I think it is like 2$ in S.A) and cost of living in the separate countries. But maybe I can translate our savings into dollars? And our cars etc. values as well, since they will be sold only before moving, which will spike up our savings. Would it be okay to add our assets (2 vehicles, motorcycle, racing car, household furniture like sound systems, flat screen tv's, expensive gaming computers etc.) since these items will be sold for a couple thousand dollars indeed ?
 
If they reject the application because they do not believe you will move to Canada, the best thing would be for the sponsor to actually move to Canada, get a place to live and a job, and then reapply.

The sponsor could also send in the application while you are both in South Africa, then she could move to Canada a few months later. She could then send in proof that she has moved to Canada to be added to the file.

If the forms do not specify that money should be converted into Canadian dollars, it is up to you. Just make sure to say which currency you are using.

When you write the letter detailing your plans for your life together in Canada, you can include all the items you own that you plan to sell to raise money for living expenses before you get jobs. This can also be part of the proof that you are planning to leave South Africa.

Keep in mind that the visa officer will mainly want proof that the Canadian citizen is planning to go live in Canada. They will assume you want to, which is the reason you are applying.
 
Hi canadianwoman. Thank you for your response, I appreciate it. The main issue we are dealing with is not splitting households (paying dual rent, and other costs that we currently share) otherwise, it would have been easier for her to move to Canada.

Our only alternative, if failed, is to move and I will have to apply for OWP and then take it from there. In all honestly, CIC cannot blame one for going over on TRV with intentions to remain indefinitely if they make it so difficult to apply while still abroad. We live in a harsh, third-world country where we constantly have to be in fear and have to deal with Black Economic Empowerment law (yes, we literally have a law that states people who have white skin are last on the list for jobs), although they publicly like to deny it.

So in all honesty I cannot fathom how the VO would think we want to stay in this hell hole. Anyways, this forum is about positivity! :D
 
If you two do decide to go to Canada before applying for PR, keep in mind that when talking to the border agent you must be clear that you are just visiting. You will be on a TRV - a visitor visa - and cannot work.

Once you are in Canada, then your partner can sponsor you either inland or outland. Many people have been sponsored outland while in Canada as a visitor. You can only get an open work permit if you apply inland, however. The choice is yours - with inland, you can get an OWP, but it is advised to not leave Canada, and you cannot appeal. With outland, you can leave Canada while the application is being processed, and in general the processing time is faster.

If you can't get a TRV (or enter Canada on some other type of visa), then you will have to be sponsored outland.