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Ice Cube

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Dec 20, 2009
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One of my past employer is no longer in the business. I worked for this employer in two different time periods. This was over five years ago. I only have an old reference letter he gave me and I do not know where to locate him to get a reference letter.

How do I provide a reference letter in this case? your suggestions pls.


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rupeshhari

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Sep 15, 2008
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Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Dec 2008 to CIO
Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
You could provide a copy of that letter or maybe an original is needed but you also should prove that you were employed by such a company like payslips, tax documents, etc.
Is this the job that you are using to satisfy the ministerial requirement?
 

Ice Cube

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Dec 20, 2009
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No maam, However, this occupation counts one year of my total work experiences. The title is Store Manager. I am applying from Sri Lanka and I did not pay any tax at that time. I also found out that the owner of this business was passed away due to war. There is new business set up in the same place and I do not know if this new business has any relation to the old business which I worked for. I lost the connection with this business as I was not the country. One of time period I worked was in 2001 to 2002. and then 2004 to 10/2005

The reference letter I have is an old one, which was given to me as a reference to my University.

Thank you so much for your comments
 

rupeshhari

VIP Member
Sep 15, 2008
3,686
255
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Dec 2008 to CIO
Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
If you don't have anything else, perhaps you should apply with what you have and hope for the best. If rejected at a late stage, you could loose the application fees.

Perhaps someone else has an idea on what is best to do here. Good luck.
 

Ice Cube

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Dec 20, 2009
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Yes, That is the only choice I have now, to hope for the best.

for proof of employment, do i really have to provide pay slips or employment contract? I have two upto date reference letters and my work evaluation sheets, employee ID and few email communications in getting those reference letters. I also have a letter certifying my work by my ex-wife. Reference letters are with business cards of the persons signing. The occupation i am referering to was conducted in the US. NOC 0631.
I also have few emails by which I have requestd a copies of my employment records, (pay slips and contract) from HR department. But, they have not replied me yet.

What could be outcome of this situation?
Ice Cube
 

rupeshhari

VIP Member
Sep 15, 2008
3,686
255
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Dec 2008 to CIO
Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
I guess when you cannot provide documents as they expect, it is best to provide documents that prove what you are trying to say. But don't over do it because too much information can be confusing too. Best to wait for others to answer as i am no expert.
 

Ice Cube

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Dec 20, 2009
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Alright. But again, they could contact the employer and verify applicants' information, right? I mean, most employers in big companies just do not bother doing any work for past employees. I have all documents that CIC is asking from my present employer. But, it is so difficult to get those docs from past employers. Some employers who I worked for do not even exist in the business now. they have been taken over by other companies or the managements.

don't you think visa office needs to be a bit flexible with applicants getting documents from different countries? I have only 45 days left to submit my application. But im still in the process of gathering documents.

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jes_ON

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Jun 22, 2009
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Category........
Visa Office......
New York
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
06-May-2010
AOR Received.
13-Aug-2010
File Transfer...
01-Mar-2011
Passport Req..
30-Jun-2011
VISA ISSUED...
12-Jul-2011 (received 25-Jul-2011)
LANDED..........
03-Sep-2011
Documentation requirements can vary a little bit by local visa office. If you are submitting to Colombo, I see nothing in the visa office-specific instructions about submitting pay slips. The contracts and letters of reference are required, so do your best to get those.

Some visa offices request payslips, but not all. Some people submit payslips and/or tax returns as substitutes for the required documents (e.g. reference letter fails to mention salary, and all attempts to get a revised version fail). Sometimes it helps, sometimes does not, depends on the rest of your documentation. As well, self-employed persons have to provide extra documentation. Don't get confused, this does not apply to everyone. Follow your visa office-specific instructions.

For your Store Manager position in Sri Lanka, I would submit a certified copy of the old letter, along with your explanation of why you cannot get an up-to-date reference. They may or may not give you credit (points) for the experience, but you will have met the documentary requirements to the best of your ability. Hopefully, you have enough points without this one year.

As for the others... if they are from the US, it is the job of the HR people to provide references confirming employment details, but the actual contracts and payslips... I doubt that. You don't need the payslips anyway. As for the contracts, you would have to hope that your immediate supervisor might still have copies, and be sure that your reference letters include all the details that CIC asks for.

If you have absolutely no other evidence of salary, I would ask your former US employers for copies of your annual 1099 statements (the employer-issued statement of income paid to the IRS, that you have to file with your tax return). You CAN request these from the IRS, but it takes time, and they prefer that you ask your former employer first. They should have these on file.
 

Ice Cube

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Dec 20, 2009
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Thanks Jes.
That was a big help. I was following just IMM EG 7000. Not the visa-office specific instruction guide. one of my previous supervisor sent me a reference letter explaining all that. But she does not like to give me her business card as she thinks the letter has all the contact details. She was right and I could not say a word about it.

Thanks again.
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ninocalifa

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Mar 24, 2010
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I got the exactly same problem with only one difference.
I can get an up to date letter from my previous boss.
I have worked under the table as a restaurant manager for two years, so I have no paycheck or tax documents to prove that.
I worked in the USA, but I will apply in the Brazilian office.

Does anyone can give me any advice on that?
 

Ice Cube

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Dec 20, 2009
390
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Ninocalia,

A bit complicated situation.

Some visa offices do not ask for Tax documents or Pay slips. But, they ask for a contract that was signed between employee and employer and an up-to date reference letter. Check what documents are required by the visa office you are planning to apply with?

It is also important that you have worked in the US under work permit.

I ma not sure if you could apply to Brazilian office while you are in the US.

Let's wait for seniors to comment.
Gud luk!