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Procedural Fairness

Athmane

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Feb 23, 2018
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Dears, today I received a letter of Procedural Fairness, which is as below:

I have determined that you may not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act because you do not appear to meet Sections 120, 130 (2) and 133 (1)(a) of the IRPR. The Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations state, in section: R 120 For the purposes of Part 5, (a) a permanent resident visa shall not be issued to a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the family class or to their accompanying family members unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect; and (b) a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the family class and their accompanying family members shall not become permanent residents unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect and the sponsor who gave that undertaking still meets the requirements of section 133 and, if applicable, section 137. R 130(2) A sponsor who is a Canadian citizen and does not reside in Canada may sponsor a foreign national who makes an application referred to in subsection (1) and is the sponsor’s spouse, common-law partner, conjugal partner or dependent child who has no dependent children, if the sponsor will reside in Canada when the foreign national becomes a permanent resident.

You do not appear to meet these requirements because whilst your sponsor can sponsor you, whilst she resides overseas, we must be satisfied that you will reside in Canada, once you become a permanent resident of Canada. The documentary evidence to support her return does not convince our office that she has the intention to reside in Canada when you become a permanent resident. R 133 (1) A sponsorship application shall only be approved by an officer if, on the day on which the application was filed and from that day until the day a decision is made with respect to the application, there is evidence that the sponsor (a) is a sponsor as described in section 130;
Subsection 11(1) of the Act states that the visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. It appears that you do not meet the requirements of the Act for the reasons set out above. Before I make a final decision, you may submit additional information relating to these concerns. You must provide any additional information within 30 days from the date of this letter.

I had already submitted additional information, then they changed the the status of additional information to N/A, and now they said that they are not satisfied with the submitted document.

What to do?
 

starnaenae

Champion Member
Aug 9, 2016
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Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mexico
App. Filed.......
March 1 2017
Doc's Request.
March 27, 2017, July 10, 2017
AOR Received.
AOR 1:March 17 2017 AOR 2: May 10, 2017
File Transfer...
April 8, 2017
Med's Request
Upfront - PASSED
Med's Done....
December 12 2016
Interview........
NOT REQUIRED
Passport Req..
March 5, 2018
VISA ISSUED...
March 13, 2018
LANDED..........
April 30, 2018
what did you submit as proof
 

Athmane

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Feb 23, 2018
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what did you submit as proof
A letter signed from my wife saying that she is intend to go back to Canada
email from mother and brother in law ( canadian citizens) who are living in UAE, stating that they encourage her to go back to Canada
some research on internet of home rental, cost of living, schools & tickets, but we didn't proceed for any thing because I didn't get the PR yet, my wife is living with me, and when I get the PR we will leave together, she cannot leave without me.

what to do now?
is this a sign of refuse?
 

starnaenae

Champion Member
Aug 9, 2016
2,792
837
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mexico
App. Filed.......
March 1 2017
Doc's Request.
March 27, 2017, July 10, 2017
AOR Received.
AOR 1:March 17 2017 AOR 2: May 10, 2017
File Transfer...
April 8, 2017
Med's Request
Upfront - PASSED
Med's Done....
December 12 2016
Interview........
NOT REQUIRED
Passport Req..
March 5, 2018
VISA ISSUED...
March 13, 2018
LANDED..........
April 30, 2018
it is a sign that they are looking to deny the application. does she have any ties to canada? looks like what you have provided isnt strong enough. generally they want to see some concrete proof, accounts, investments, land, anything like that... job offers, etc
 

Athmane

Star Member
Feb 23, 2018
57
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it is a sign that they are looking to deny the application. does she have any ties to canada? looks like what you have provided isnt strong enough. generally they want to see some concrete proof, accounts, investments, land, anything like that... job offers, etc
in the same letter, they requested more proof of intend to go back to Canada, and also to renew my police clearances of Qatar and UAE.
if they are going to refuse, why they asked for police clearance?
 

starnaenae

Champion Member
Aug 9, 2016
2,792
837
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
Mexico
App. Filed.......
March 1 2017
Doc's Request.
March 27, 2017, July 10, 2017
AOR Received.
AOR 1:March 17 2017 AOR 2: May 10, 2017
File Transfer...
April 8, 2017
Med's Request
Upfront - PASSED
Med's Done....
December 12 2016
Interview........
NOT REQUIRED
Passport Req..
March 5, 2018
VISA ISSUED...
March 13, 2018
LANDED..........
April 30, 2018
in the same letter, they requested more proof of intend to go back to Canada, and also to renew my police clearances of Qatar and UAE.
if they are going to refuse, why they asked for police clearance?
that i cannot advise just giving some advice to try and help!
 
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Did you show proof you guys will quit your jobs and sell your homes in UAE?
 
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Synoptic

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A letter signed from my wife saying that she is intend to go back to Canada
email from mother and brother in law ( canadian citizens) who are living in UAE, stating that they encourage her to go back to Canada
some research on internet of home rental, cost of living, schools & tickets, but we didn't proceed for any thing because I didn't get the PR yet, my wife is living with me, and when I get the PR we will leave together, she cannot leave without me.

what to do now?
is this a sign of refuse?
Those are not strong enough evidences because those are just supporting letters from family members and herself. The family members that wrote those letters do not even reside in Canada, so they'll be suspicious for sure.

They haven't refused her yet. They're giving you a chance to strengthen your application. Do you not have any other proof? Like supporting letter from a Canadian employer, Canadian investment, Canadian business, etc. Any tangible proof that ties her to the country.
 
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Athmane

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Feb 23, 2018
57
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Those are not strong enough evidences because those are just supporting letters from family members and herself. The family members that wrote those letters do not even reside in Canada, so they'll be suspicious for sure.

They haven't refused her yet. They're giving you a chance to strengthen your application. Do you not have any other proof? Like supporting letter from a Canadian employer, Canadian investment, Canadian business, etc. Any tangible proof that ties her to the country.
My wife left from Canada with her parent when she was 10 years old, she doesn't have any thing about the above, I have resigned from my company supposing that we will go in September to Canada to register the kids for school, we cannot have anything else than what we provided.
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,857
22,843
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
Dears, today I received a letter of Procedural Fairness, which is as below:

I have determined that you may not meet the requirements of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act because you do not appear to meet Sections 120, 130 (2) and 133 (1)(a) of the IRPR. The Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations state, in section: R 120 For the purposes of Part 5, (a) a permanent resident visa shall not be issued to a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the family class or to their accompanying family members unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect; and (b) a foreign national who makes an application as a member of the family class and their accompanying family members shall not become permanent residents unless a sponsorship undertaking in respect of the foreign national and those family members is in effect and the sponsor who gave that undertaking still meets the requirements of section 133 and, if applicable, section 137. R 130(2) A sponsor who is a Canadian citizen and does not reside in Canada may sponsor a foreign national who makes an application referred to in subsection (1) and is the sponsor’s spouse, common-law partner, conjugal partner or dependent child who has no dependent children, if the sponsor will reside in Canada when the foreign national becomes a permanent resident.

You do not appear to meet these requirements because whilst your sponsor can sponsor you, whilst she resides overseas, we must be satisfied that you will reside in Canada, once you become a permanent resident of Canada. The documentary evidence to support her return does not convince our office that she has the intention to reside in Canada when you become a permanent resident. R 133 (1) A sponsorship application shall only be approved by an officer if, on the day on which the application was filed and from that day until the day a decision is made with respect to the application, there is evidence that the sponsor (a) is a sponsor as described in section 130;
Subsection 11(1) of the Act states that the visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. It appears that you do not meet the requirements of the Act for the reasons set out above. Before I make a final decision, you may submit additional information relating to these concerns. You must provide any additional information within 30 days from the date of this letter.

I had already submitted additional information, then they changed the the status of additional information to N/A, and now they said that they are not satisfied with the submitted document.

What to do?
Recommend you review your previous post on this topic from a few months ago (when CIC requested additional information). There was good information provided to you there about the kind of evidence you should include to prove you plan to move to Canada once the PR visa is approved.

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/we-need-additional-documents-to-continue-processing-your-application.562748/#post-6968361
 
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Athmane

Star Member
Feb 23, 2018
57
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Recommend you review your previous post on this topic from a few months ago (when CIC requested additional information). There was good information provided to you there about the kind of evidence you should include to prove you plan to move to Canada once the PR visa is approved.

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/we-need-additional-documents-to-continue-processing-your-application.562748/#post-6968361
We did the possible we can do, but as my wife is leaving outside Canada from her childhood, she cannot get strong evidence that she is intend to return
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
96,857
22,843
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
We did the possible we can do, but as my wife is leaving outside Canada from her childhood, she cannot get strong evidence that she is intend to return
I'm sorry - I disagree. You could have provided much stronger evidence and others in the same situation as you have been able to do this in the past. Quite a bit of this advice was given to you in the thread from a few months ago but it doesn't look like you actioned it.

- Have you or your wife started looking for jobs in Canada or connecting with employers? You could have provided proof of this.
- What have you done to plan ahead for accommodations? Are you going to rent a place? Buy? Stay with family/friends? You could have again provided evidence of this.
- You could have set up a bank account in Canada ahead of moving.
- What research have you done to find schools for your children?
- What research have you done about where (what city) you're going to live in based on job prospects, cost of living, etc.?

Again, strongly recommend you review the recommendations that were given do you several months ago. The fairness letter means CIC intends to refuse your application unless you are able to provide additional strong evidence.
 
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Athmane

Star Member
Feb 23, 2018
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I'm sorry - I disagree. You could have provided much stronger evidence and others in the same situation as you have been able to do this in the past. Quite a bit of this advice was given to you in the thread from a few months ago but it doesn't look like you actioned it.

- Have you or your wife started looking for jobs in Canada or connecting with employers? You could have provided proof of this.
- What have you done to plan ahead for accommodations? Are you going to rent a place? Buy? Stay with family/friends? You could have again provided evidence of this.
- You could have set up a bank account in Canada ahead of moving.
- What research have you done to find schools for your children?
- What research have you done about where (what city) you're going to live in based on job prospects, cost of living, etc.?

Again, strongly recommend you review the recommendations that were given do you several months ago. The fairness letter means CIC intends to refuse your application unless you are able to provide additional strong evidence.
we have a baby of 10 months, my wife cannot work, but I provide some proof that I was looking for job in indeed.
we provided some rental searching in Ottawa, but if we are not there how to rent a house
How can she open a bank account from Qatar?
we provided so many researches of schools and an email for the ministry of education for what required for children registration
we provided the city where we are intend to live in, and the cost of living.
I don't know what we can more provide?