Procedural Fairness (Urgent)!!!!

[Nigii]

Thank you for you help and your input

 

[armoured]

I guess you guys are not reading it and it’s not helpful , if you read I mentioned it’s a court marriage and families were disagree , lastly objective about ruksati why it was not done not how long we spend or not

The point of questions about how much time you've spent together is how it will look ie does it look like a real relationship. NOt an arranged one, that is.

You'll just have to explain as best you can that it is not an arranged marriage, show as much detailed info as you can that the relationship is genuine - again, the visits. Whatever other evidence you can. Include info about visits since the marriage.

The other question is the ruksati - you have to make the point strongly that the marriage is valid without it, and that you could not carry it out for [reasons], and that your relationship bona fides are the important point.

The letter you quote above is making it very clear that they believe the ruksati is a requirement for the marriage's validity. I can't comment on that. If you need a lawyer to help you make the point, it may be money well spent in this case.

My little understanding is that they are picky about these ceremonies because, esp for arrnaged marriages, there is a track record of cases from Pakistan that those without ruksati have been an issue. AGain - not an expert.

If you have any way to carry that out now, BTW, I suggest you do it.

 

[Nigii]

All the evidence was given before as well , visits and along with tickets , I can resubmit it , if both families are not okay that’s when I believe mostly ppl in pk go for court marriage and then who will do ruksati in this case , other than I have given witness letters too

 

[YVR123]

I guess you guys are not reading it and it’s not helpful , if you read I mentioned it’s a court marriage and families were disagree , lastly objective about ruksati why it was not done not how long we spend or not

If you read the letter from IRCC carefully, the concern is:

over two years have now passed since your marriage, and you have not submitted sufficient
evidence to demonstrate that you have celebrated the Rukhsati since submitting of your application.

Some people delay the Rukhsati but in your case, it's not about delaying that but instead you do not plan to have it at all.

To over come not having Rukhsati, you need to explain and demonstrate that your relationship is genuine.

How many time AFTER your marriage did you visit your wife? And hopefully, those are long visits. 2 years is a long time and if your 4 visits are before and during your court marriage, that doesn't demonstrate your progress in your marriage. Longer stays and honeymoon may be good enough to show that you further develop this relationship. And explaination of family issue as the cause of the missing ceremony may help to explain.

Financial support for each other and on going communication may help as well.
Good luck.

Re-submit the proof even if you have already given them. And explain. Do not make assumption like yeah cos family don't agree IRCC knows that's why there is no Rukhsati.

 

[armoured]

All the evidence was given before as well , visits and along with tickets , I can resubmit it , if both families are not okay that’s when I believe mostly ppl in pk go for court marriage and then who will do ruksati in this case , other than I have given witness letters too

You may think you provided all, but it was clearly insufficient. You may need to make these points more forcefully. If you don't know how - get help.

And if two years since marriage, you MUST have more info to show that it is still a real and viable marriage.

To be clear: the letter they sent you means that they will refuse your application unless you convince them.

 

[Nigii]

If you read the letter from IRCC carefully, the concern is:



Some people delay the Rukhsati but in your case, it's not about delaying that but instead you do not plan to have it at all.

To cover come not having Rukhsati, you need to explain and demonstrate that your relationship is genuine.

How many time AFTER your marriage did you visit your wife? And hopefully, those are long visits. 2 years is a long time and if your 4 visits are before and during your court marriage, that doesn't demonstrate your progress in your marriage. Longer stays and honeymoon may be good enough to show that you further develop this relationship. And explaination of family issue as the cause of the missing ceremony may help to explain.

Financial support for each other and on going communication may help as well.
Good luck.

Re-submit the proof even if you have already given them. And explain. Do not make assumption like yeah cos family don't agree IRCC knows that's why there is no Rukhsati.

Once I visited week
Second 2 weeks
3 2 weeks
4th 2 weeks
Honey moon pics were sent

and recently visited him and have performed umrah so 2 years marriage how many time I was suppose to visit every month ? I have job and work

financial support was sent bank transfer
Chat was sent

what else they need

 

[YVR123]

Once I visited week
Second 2 weeks
3 2 weeks
4th 2 weeks
Honey moon pics were sent

and recently visited him and have performed umrah so 2 years marriage how many time I was suppose to visit every month ? I have job and work

financial support was sent bank transfer
Chat was sent

what else they need

At this point, I think you may be better to hire an immigration lawyer to help you.
You have lots of facts but seems like you didn't present in a way that convinced the IRCC case officer.

I can feel that you are angry when replying to me. Please don't show that emotion when you reply to the PFL.

 

[canuck78]

Once I visited week
Second 2 weeks
3 2 weeks
4th 2 weeks
Honey moon pics were sent

and recently visited him and have performed umrah so 2 years marriage how many time I was suppose to visit every month ? I have job and work

financial support was sent bank transfer
Chat was sent

what else they need

The issue is you have to make up for not having other traditional proof of a genuine relationship/marriage. Agree that seeking advice of a lawyer is a good idea.

 

[thanhtam23]

Once I visited week
Second 2 weeks
3 2 weeks
4th 2 weeks
Honey moon pics were sent

and recently visited him and have performed umrah so 2 years marriage how many time I was suppose to visit every month ? I have job and work

financial support was sent bank transfer
Chat was sent

what else they need

i understand your frustration, every of us does when we deal with this lengthy process
unfortunately, we have no choice but to make every effort to prove the genuine of our relationship when there is any concern from the officer
a concern that leads to PFL is serious, no matter how do you think/feel about it, you need to response with your utmost honesty together with pure facts/evidences
i don't understand the tradition marriage in Pakistan, but he is concerned about why Rukhsati is not done, is it a mandatory to make your marriage official?
if so, i think his concern is valid, do you have any reasonable explanation for that? if not, it's easier but please just answer to the point
don't take it personal, it is straight and clear to me, i don't know why you make it so difficult

 

[Nigii]

Well, I mentioned it’s court marriage and court marriage is done once both families don’t support and now tell me how does ruksati will happens here to be married it’s nikahh is requirement

 

[thanhtam23]

you don't have to explain to us, just response to the officer's concern

 

[Nigii]

I will ask lawyer it was explained and secondly someone can guide me how can I delete the account here and process to do so

 

[armoured]

I will ask lawyer it was explained and secondly someone can guide me how can I delete the account here and process to do so

You can write to the administrators. They likely won't action it. You posted in a public forum. Other people were involved. It's not "your" resource.

 

[Nigii]

Okay Thanks