Problems with Express Entry

[DesperateKnight]

Even though express entry is an excellent tool to pick the best and brightest, but I have some issues to share. I don't know if I am the only one seeing this. I really hope decision makers will get to see this message and really do something about them:
1) EE favors singles over married: As a single, you will get full scores for your "future" spouse. Married people need to be married to educated/fluent in English/experienced spouse in order to get these points. The system could've supported educated spouses by adding extra points for them rather than deducting those points and then having you to hunt them. Currently, it gives a way more advantage to singles over married people or families.

2) EE favors foreign work experience over Canadian work experienced: believe it or not. Having one year of foreign work experience and one year of Canadian work experience gives you way more points than having 20 years of Canadian work experience. A work experience in the worst developing country weighs more points than a work experience in Canada?.

3) EE Totally neglects Canadian children. So, as a Canadian children, the system does nothing for you to get your parents to raise or educate you in Canada. Nothing at all. Not a single point to help Canadian kids study/live in their country.

4) EE totally neglects Canadian education: Doesn't matter if you studied in the most prestigious university in Canada. If you can manage to get your education verified here (which is an easy process), you will get the same points as someone who studied here.

5) Last but not least. I don't understand the issue with Cutoffs. If they are going to only accept people above the 470, why don't they make it in the system instead and only accept those people. Keeping us on the fence just adds frustration on our frustration. With this rate in draws, they will probably issue 24000 invitations by the end of the year. 24K from the supposedly main entry point for all workers and international students. But the numbers we heard from the government are totally different. I don't get it. :-\


I am a married worker, having a master degree from a Canadian university, 2 years of Canadian work experience, almost full mark in IELTS and sitting at 430 score. This is so frustrating. I really hope for a fast change in the system or all people like me will be out of the country sooner than later. My work permit expires in 3 months and it tortures me to leave a country that I really love.

 

[anarsoul]

Even though express entry is an excellent tool to pick the best and brightest, but I have some issues to share. I don't know if I am the only one seeing this. I really hope decision makers will get to see this message and really do something about them:
1) EE favors singles over married: As a single, you will get full scores for your "future" spouse. Married people need to be married to educated/fluent in English/experienced spouse in order to get these points. The system could've supported educated spouses by adding extra points for them rather than deducting those points and then having you to hunt them. Currently, it gives a way more advantage to singles over married people or families.

This is ridiculous, I agree.

2) EE favors foreign work experience over Canadian work experienced: believe it or not. Having one year of foreign work experience and one year of Canadian work experience gives you way more points than having 20 years of Canadian work experience. A work experience in the worst developing country weighs more points than a work experience in Canada?.

That's kind of weird as well.

3) EE Totally neglects Canadian children. So, as a Canadian children, the system does nothing for you to get your parents to raise or educate you in Canada. Nothing at all. Not a single point to help Canadian kids study/live in their country.

It's your responsibility as a parent to raise your children, not Canada's.

4) EE totally neglects Canadian education: Doesn't matter if you studied in the most prestigious university in Canada. If you can manage to get your education verified here (which is an easy process), you will get the same points as someone who studied here.

Why do you think that Canadian degree is better than foreign degree? I believe MIT or Caltech studens won't agree with you

I am a married worker, having a master degree from a Canadian university, 2 years of Canadian work experience, almost full mark in IELTS and sitting at 430 score. This is so frustrating. I really hope for a fast change in the system or all people like me will be out of the country sooner than later. My work permit expires in 3 months and it tortures me to leave a country that I really love.

Try to get provincial nomination. Those who work in Canada usually have higher chance to get it.

 

[Can.ott]

Even though express entry is an excellent tool to pick the best and brightest, but I have some issues to share. I don't know if I am the only one seeing this. I really hope decision makers will get to see this message and really do something about them:
1) EE favors singles over married: As a single, you will get full scores for your "future" spouse. Married people need to be married to educated/fluent in English/experienced spouse in order to get these points. The system could've supported educated spouses by adding extra points for them rather than deducting those points and then having you to hunt them. Currently, it gives a way more advantage to singles over married people or families.
I agree but see it in this way as a single principal applicant you are supporting your application with your qualification while in married principal applicant case you are supporting the same qualification for two person so it should be balance
2) EE favors foreign work experience over Canadian work experienced: believe it or not. Having one year of foreign work experience and one year of Canadian work experience gives you way more points than having 20 years of Canadian work experience. A work experience in the worst developing country weighs more points than a work experience in Canada?.
I DISAGREE and feels you are extremely wrong when you speak about worse developing countries, may be you consider your country worse its not the same case with every other person and thank god people like you are not managing CIC otherwise Canada might have one another racist country in the world. further more its not the case Canadian experience gives you lot more chances of becoming Permanent resident with PNP while its not the case with foreign experience.

3) EE Totally neglects Canadian children. So, as a Canadian children, the system does nothing for you to get your parents to raise or educate you in Canada. Nothing at all. Not a single point to help Canadian kids study/live in their country.
Agree
4) EE totally neglects Canadian education: Doesn't matter if you studied in the most prestigious university in Canada. If you can manage to get your education verified here (which is an easy process), you will get the same points as someone who studied here.
Again you are wrong i got my PNP cause of my education in Canada, did not have to go through all the hassle of ECE and its with every province great example is Ontario where you can get permanent residence just by completing your masters/phd no need of job or anything

I am a married worker, having a master degree from a Canadian university, 2 years of Canadian work experience, almost full mark in IELTS and sitting at 430 score. This is so frustrating. I really hope for a fast change in the system or all people like me will be out of the country sooner than later. My work permit expires in 3 months and it tortures me to leave a country that I really love.

I would advice you to try PNP if you have a degree and experience in Canada you can definitely make your way to P.R. the reason why EE does not give too much points for Federal nominees is cause there is alot of PNP for us and Canada wants to make provinces stronger

 

[pultyn]

It is stupid.

You need to be 25, have pHd, perfect English, perfect French, 3 years of foreign experience and at least one year of canadian.

 

[anarsoul]

It is stupid.

You need to be 25, have pHd, perfect English, perfect French, 3 years of foreign experience and at least one year of canadian.

Nope, single, 29, masters degree, CLB9 in each ability (honestly, it's far from perfect), no French, 1 year of foreign, 1 year of Canadian = 497

Same but 2 years of Canadian experience and none foreign = 472

 

[pultyn]

35 years old with master's degree and 3 years of foreign exp which is me can get 436pts with CLB9. I'm married and with my wife's master's degree we could get little bit less. My canadian exp doesn't count though (semi skilled).

My plan was ruined by tfw changes and after four years have no choice but to leave.

Frustrating thing is that optimal age is 29. I mean, come on, 25 to 45 shouldn't make any difference.

 

[Saskatchewan_Regina]

Even though express entry is an excellent tool to pick the best and brightest, but I have some issues to share. I don't know if I am the only one seeing this. I really hope decision makers will get to see this message and really do something about them:
1) EE favors singles over married: As a single, you will get full scores for your "future" spouse. Married people need to be married to educated/fluent in English/experienced spouse in order to get these points. The system could've supported educated spouses by adding extra points for them rather than deducting those points and then having you to hunt them. Currently, it gives a way more advantage to singles over married people or families. Agree Liberal pays more attentions to family role, doesn't it?

2) EE favors foreign work experience over Canadian work experienced: believe it or not. Having one year of foreign work experience and one year of Canadian work experience gives you way more points than having 20 years of Canadian work experience. A work experience in the worst developing country weighs more points than a work experience in Canada?. Agree Canadian experience should be awarded, shouldn't it?

3) EE Totally neglects Canadian children. So, as a Canadian children, the system does nothing for you to get your parents to raise or educate you in Canada. Nothing at all. Not a single point to help Canadian kids study/live in their country. Agree Same thing with #1

4) EE totally neglects Canadian education: Doesn't matter if you studied in the most prestigious university in Canada. If you can manage to get your education verified here (which is an easy process), you will get the same points as someone who studied here. Agree Mr. McCallum said "International students are the 'cream of the crop'", didn't he?

5) Last but not least. I don't understand the issue with Cutoffs. If they are going to only accept people above the 470, why don't they make it in the system instead and only accept those people. Keeping us on the fence just adds frustration on our frustration. With this rate in draws, they will probably issue 24000 invitations by the end of the year. 24K from the supposedly main entry point for all workers and international students. But the numbers we heard from the government are totally different. I don't get it. :-\ Agree Just give a number of the score so that everyone can fight for that!

I am a married worker, having a master degree from a Canadian university, 2 years of Canadian work experience, almost full mark in IELTS and sitting at 430 score. This is so frustrating. I really hope for a fast change in the system or all people like me will be out of the country sooner than later. My work permit expires in 3 months and it tortures me to leave a country that I really love.

 

[DesperateKnight]

It's your responsibility as a parent to raise your children, not Canada's.
Agree, but it would be really great if they give them some privileges to study and live in their country. Those kids deserve this opportunity.

Why do you think that Canadian degree is better than foreign degree? I believe MIT or Caltech studens won't agree with you

Totally agree with that. I just saw it from my point of view because many provinces are offering nomination programs for their own graduates. So the overall system favors Canadian education in one spot but not the other.

 

[DesperateKnight]

I DISAGREE and feels you are extremely wrong when you speak about worse developing countries, may be you consider your country worse its not the same case with every other person and thank god people like you are not managing CIC otherwise Canada might have one another racist country in the world. further more its not the case Canadian experience gives you lot more chances of becoming Permanent resident with PNP while its not the case with foreign experience.

Sorry if I sounded racist to you. I totally believe in equal opportunities. But I wrote about having foreign work experience can give you better opportunity than having CANADIAN work experience. Check out the scoring system. There is an extra 50 points for those who have one year of foreign work experience


Again you are wrong i got my PNP cause of my education in Canada, did not have to go through all the hassle of ECE and its with every province great example is Ontario where you can get permanent residence just by completing your masters/phd no need of job or anything
Well, that's Ontario. In Alberta, they opened the post graduate program just this year and I still haven't received a file number for my application. Also, Ontario program only applies for people who graduated from a university in Ontario

 

[andy108]

I would say that the system... is a bit well.. not perfect but still its good.

Yes, you need to have:

HIGH CLB
Education at a master level
3 years work experience
aged between 25-31

have a spouse with:
Bachelor
Good CLB

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The system lacks a few things in my view, these are

The system does not focus on NOC - but it should, and naturally for some NOCs CRS would be lower... its natural, you dont need masters in certain fields. So each NOC should have its anual quota and every draw certain number of applicants with certain NOC would be invited at N points.

The system should value canadian work. exp more

The system should value canadian education more.

The system should recognize more work experience.

 

[anarsoul]

The system does not focus on NOC - but it should, and naturally for some NOCs CRS would be lower... its natural, you dont need masters in certain fields. So each NOC should have its anual quota and every draw certain number of applicants with certain NOC would be invited at N points.

Why it should focus on NOC in first place?

The system should value canadian work. exp more

Agree. And it should be more gradual, i.e. account experience in months, not in years. Basically applicant with 11 months of experience doesn't differ much from applicant with full year of experience, but only latter get additional points.

The system should value canadian education more.

Why? How is it better than American or European education?

 

[RamsayBolton]

1) EE favors singles over married:

It is understandable. Young people have more potential to grow and pay more taxes then a couple with kids. As a young and single professional worker, I have more time to study for a new certification, new degree. I'm willing to jump to a new job or move to a new city than someone with kids.

4) EE totally neglects Canadian education:

In IRCC report, they said that there is no distinct difference between a worker with Canadian degree and a worker with foreign degree. I agree with this statement, since knowledge is the same everywhere. 1 + 1 = 2 around the world.

2) EE favors foreign work experience over Canadian work experienced

Agree. We must do something about this.

 

[DesperateKnight]

It is understandable. Young people have more potential to grow and pay more taxes then a couple with kids. As a young and single professional worker, I have more time to study for a new certification, new degree. I'm willing to jump to a new job or move to a new city than someone with kids.

The fact that I paid 30K in taxes for 2015, might make me disagree with this point. Nothing can stop a hard working individual from pursuing a better life. Also, if I want to speak of jumping to other cities logic, singles might then jump to other countries. But I totally value your opinion

 

[Saskatchewan_Regina]

I agree with all your points and will send an email to Mr. John McCallum regarding these issues
Minister@cic.gc.ca

 

[Bablaa]

35 years old with master's degree and 3 years of foreign exp which is me can get 436pts with CLB9. I'm married and with my wife's master's degree we could get little bit less. My canadian exp doesn't count though (semi skilled).

My plan was ruined by tfw changes and after four years have no choice but to leave.

Frustrating thing is that optimal age is 29. I mean, come on, 25 to 45 shouldn't make any difference.

Married ,35 years ,10 years of top corporate MNC experience in Institutional Sales, 8.5 bands, MBA from a top Indian Business School - 446! I mean is this some kind of joke! Add to that , wife - MBA, 7 bands ! Lol