Primary Occupation - 1 year of work experience (either CEC or FSW)

[sugoidesne]

Hello there,

In EE profile, there is "primary occupation" and the starting date and this section says my application will be based on this primary occupation. Below is my primary occupation I'm going to put. My question is do I have 1 year of work experience combined with part time and full time under qualification of both CEC and FSW? OR have at least I fulfilled the requirement of CEC when looking at my primary occupation only? (Keep in mind that I do have other work experiences)

My primary occupation was divided into part time and full time and combined hours is round to be 1723 hours. My concern is that the part time hours were so varied that sometimes I worked 12 hours and other times were more. I'm not sure if these fluctuating part time hours need to be specifically met for CEC part time hour criteria.

Now below is my primary occupation timeline:

**August, 2015 – Present – Laundry Supervisor – 6316 (40 hours weekly)

**January 2015 – July 2015 – Laundry Supervisor (12.50 hrs weekly – PART TIME) <-- 12.5 hr is an average from numbers anywhere from 12 hours up to 47 hours part time

Also, I had a different full time job (under NOC B) for 1 year, while I was working part time job as a laundry supervisor. Can this be taken into consideration too? or will the CIC consider other work experiences in addition to the primary occupation if I were to get invited under CEC? If looking at primary occupation work experience ONLY, do I have enough 1 year work experience??

Please help..

The hours explanation on CIC website confuses me so much...

Thanks for all your feedback!

 

[CanadaBound90]

You're not the only one it confuses, I've been trying to find answers to some of these questions myself and finally contacted Cohen's lawfirm today (hopefully I will have helpful answers that I can share with you tomorrow as I called too late to get either Mr. Cohen or one of his associates). My understanding from posts by reputable members is that you have to count your work experience as as full time and full time equivalent, so total hours worked isn't something you can get an accurate answer from. You can calculate it according to jes_ON's post:

There are 2 ways you can calculate her FTE eligibility.

1) Count the number of full time weeks (ignore number of hours, as long as it is 30 or more). Then for part-time weeks (fewer than 30 hours per week), add up all the hours and divide by 30. Add the FT and FTE weeks together. You need 52 weeks (1 year) to be eligible.

2) For each full-time week, count it as 30 hours only, add to all part-time hours, and divide by 30. This gives you the number of FTE weeks - again, you need 52 weeks (1 year) to be eligible.

Anything above 30 hours a week still counts as one full time week...so if you bust your butt for 60 hours that week you can still only count it as one week. You have to have a total of 52 of those full time weeks at least before you qualify for the "one year" just to get into the pool and qualify for federal skilled worker. I don't think you have to have all of that within a year, just that your one year of experience was acquired in the last 10 years. I think.

Your other year of experience can't count toward your "primary" NOC for the purpose of qualifying for FSW/CEC, but once you do qualify and are looking to get points in the points system you can count ANY skilled work listed in the codes toward your total foreign skilled work experience. I don't know if once you're in the comprehensive ranking system (CRS) they count "years of experience" the same way as they did when you were qualifying originally since they ask for dates instead...do they just mean that you were hired by a company or institution for X number of years to get those points, or do you have to count the "full time weeks" equivalent as well? In my case it seems I'd have to really work for 4 or 5 years to meet the 3 year requirement for the real points which is really disappointing.

Any more experienced posters are welcome to clarify anything in my post that might be inaccurate...I'm still trying to figure some of this out myself esp. with regard to what they define as "continuous" experience. I'm a teacher and our jobs are contracted seasonal in the US (no work in the summer, most of us opt to have pay prorated though to receive checks during that time), and we definitely don't get the 52 weeks of full time experience a year due to that.

 

[sugoidesne]

You're not the only one it confuses, I've been trying to find answers to some of these questions myself and finally contacted Cohen's lawfirm today (hopefully I will have helpful answers that I can share with you tomorrow as I called too late to get either Mr. Cohen or one of his associates). My understanding from posts by reputable members is that you have to count your work experience as as full time and full time equivalent, so total hours worked isn't something you can get an accurate answer from. You can calculate it according to jes_ON's post:


Anything above 30 hours a week still counts as one full time week...so if you bust your butt for 60 hours that week you can still only count it as one week. You have to have a total of 52 of those full time weeks at least before you qualify for the "one year" just to get into the pool and qualify for federal skilled worker. I don't think you have to have all of that within a year, just that your one year of experience was acquired in the last 10 years. I think.

Your other year of experience can't count toward your "primary" NOC for the purpose of qualifying for FSW/CEC, but once you do qualify and are looking to get points in the points system you can count ANY skilled work listed in the codes toward your total foreign skilled work experience. I don't know if once you're in the comprehensive ranking system (CRS) they count "years of experience" the same way as they did when you were qualifying originally since they ask for dates instead...do they just mean that you were hired by a company or institution for X number of years to get those points, or do you have to count the "full time weeks" equivalent as well? In my case it seems I'd have to really work for 4 or 5 years to meet the 3 year requirement for the real points which is really disappointing.

Any more experienced posters are welcome to clarify anything in my post that might be inaccurate...I'm still trying to figure some of this out myself esp. with regard to what they define as "continuous" experience. I'm a teacher and our jobs are contracted seasonal in the US (no work in the summer, most of us opt to have pay prorated though to receive checks during that time), and we definitely don't get the 52 weeks of full time experience a year due to that.

Thanks CanadaBound...

Do you know if Lawyer Cohen is experienced in this matter? I'm going to have to read your comment here a few times more to fully understand.. Please let me know what you find out from the lawyer. Perhaps I am going to consult with him if your discussion with him goes successful. Thank you so much..!

 

[CanadaBound90]

Hey sugoidesne,

I would expect he is with as much experience as his firm has lol. Yes read it over a couple of times I didn't get the week based thing until some kind souls explained it in various posts. I'd link but I'm not allowed to. I'll let you know if I hear anything else interesting from my conversation.

 

[jes_ON]

Hello there,

In EE profile, there is "primary occupation" and the starting date and this section says my application will be based on this primary occupation. Below is my primary occupation I'm going to put. My question is do I have 1 year of work experience combined with part time and full time under qualification of both CEC and FSW? OR have at least I fulfilled the requirement of CEC when looking at my primary occupation only? (Keep in mind that I do have other work experiences)

My concern is that the part time hours were so varied that sometimes I worked 12 hours and other times were more. I'm not sure if these fluctuating part time hours need to be specifically met for CEC part time hour criteria.

Fluctuating hours are OK, but you have to be able to document the hours you worked per week, every week, for the Canadian experience being evaluated. Weekly time sheets are great if you have them...

**January 2015 – July 2015 – Laundry Supervisor (12.50 hrs weekly – PART TIME) <-- 12.5 hr is an average from numbers anywhere from 12 hours up to 47 hours part time

There is no such thing as "47 hours part-time" in one week. If you worked 47 hours, that is a full time-week.

CIC doesn't really care whether your employer classifies you as part-time or full-time. This is because the different provinces have different standards, and a federal program needs to have ONE standard. So they have defined it on the basis of hours worked per week.

Also, I had a different full time job (under NOC B) for 1 year, while I was working part time job as a laundry supervisor. Can this be taken into consideration too? or will the CIC consider other work experiences in addition to the primary occupation if I were to get invited under CEC? If looking at primary occupation work experience ONLY, do I have enough 1 year work experience??

Under CEC you are permitted to combine different (skilled) NOCs as well as full- and/or part-time work to meet the 1 year requirement. CEC defines "full time" as "30 hours or more" worked per week, therefore the WEEK is the the base time unit. 52 weeks = 1 year.

CIC only provides the full-time equivalent of 1560 hours so that people who work part-time can calculate their Full time equivalent (FTE).

If you work 30, 40, 80 hours in one week, that is simply one full-time week.

If you work 15 hours in one week, the FTE is 15/30 = .5 FTE week.

If your hours vary from week to week, you had better have very good records of the hours worked per week. For any week where you work fewer than 30 hours, you add up the hours and divide by 30 to get the FTE of your part-time work.

HOWEVER - when you work more than one job at the same time, you have to combine all hours in that week. So for example: Week 1 - Two part-time jobs at 10 hours each = 20 part-time hours.
Week 2: Two part-time jobs - 20 hours at one, 20 hours at another >30 means it is one full-time week. You only count the week (or if it is easier, you can use "30 hours" for each full-time week, regardless of the number of hours worked above that...)

So If you were working a full-time job at the same time as your part-time job, unfortunately, that does not "extend" your experience -
Week 3: 35 hours at one job, 10 hours at another - is still just one full-time week.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/mi/express-entry.asp

"Work in excess

(6) For the purposes of this section, a period of work experience that exceeds full-time work in one occupation, or simultaneous periods of work experience in more than one full-time occupation, are to be evaluated as a single period of full-time work experience in a single occupation."


Obviously, CEC is a lot easier for people who are simply "full-time." So under the ministerial instructions, if you simultaneously work full-time in Occupation A and part-time in Occupation B, it will only be evaluated as full-time in Occupation A.

If you had a different full-time job for at least 1 year, why not use that as your primary occupation? Nothing in the rules say that your "primary occupation" has to be your "current" occupation.

The good news is, it does look like you meet the 1 year requirement : ) But your part-time work may be more headache than it is worth (at least in terms of qualifying for CEC).

 

[jes_ON]

I don't think you have to have all of that within a year, just that your one year of experience was acquired in the last 10 years. I think.

Last 10 years for FSW. Last 3 years for CEC. For CRS points - Canadian experience is within th past 10 years.

 

[mahmou21]

So under the "Primary Occupation" tab, should I use the NOC of my current job in Canada (my previous jobs fall within other NOCs)? Is this relevant for CEC or is it only for FSW? I am tailoring my profile for CEC, so would it really matter what NOC is entered under this section?

Thanks!

 

[thejkhan]

What NOC is laundry supervisor? Sounds like a very low skilled job. Should not be eligible for PR.

 

[Diviaka]

I completed my 2 years experience in Canadian Express Entry as my primary current occupation and I have my foreign experience in the past aswell for 1 year and i want to claim points for that aswell. I got Ielts score concluding to CLB 5 , because of my primary occupation in NOC B , i am eligible for canadian express entry . My only concern is my foreign experience was category NOC A . Am i still eligible .

My past experience was NOC A but my base of the application is NOC B in CEC express entry . Will they consider me even if my Ielts is CLB 5.