Pre Test RQ - Withdraw Citizenship Application.

[jakeINSAUGA]

Hi Elineef,

You are right, we need to speak for our rights or so called "privilege" in a country like Canada.

We need to stand for what we deserve and if we are treat unfarily we should raise our voice. Whteher it helps or not, but it does make me feel like I am standing up for my rights and not letting any place, country or government let me treat bad and I am taking is silently and accepting their misbehaviour.

I would like to do what you did, I have talked to few newspaper reporters, talked to my MP, MP has inquired on my file three times, have been getting ATIP reports every single month and will continue to do so till the date of oath. If time comes will file for write of mandamus, but will not give up till the time I am living here.

We do have to stand up for our rights. Thats the only way I can feel good about myself, not by being silent here.

Jake.

 

[FL1040]

Hi Folks,

I am planning on withdrawing my citizenship application and getting the Australian PR since this country will never give me citizenship.

Here is my Timeline

Applied June 2012
RQ March 2013
Notice to prepare Dec 23 2013

Nothing as of yet.

How do you go about withdrawing the citizenship application in Canada?

Any recommendations on a good lawyer to start the australian PR process? I have more than 12 years of solid experience in Information Technology in a very in demand filed, so I am least worried about not finding a job and all that jazz here.

Appreciate your input here.

Jake

Playing the victim and claiming racism will not accelerate the processing of your application....that argument wears thin after a while. I have a brother who lived in Sydney for several years and I have been to Australia several times and Australia can be even more racist than Canada, just to go along with your argumentation, so if you are so unhappy here in Canada and you feel that this country has treated you unfairly and has discriminated you I encourage you to leave...don´t bother to withdraw the application, save the paper and the ink...just pack up your stuff and leave, CIC will cancel the application when they do not hear from you. I am sure you´ll have a more fulfilling and rewarding life in Australia, it´s also warmer.

Good luck and give my regards to the koalas and the kangaroos

 

[jakeINSAUGA]

What kind of racist experiences you had in Australia?

Why are you on this forum if you are satisified with the way you are treated and if you love being RQed? You should leave this forum immediately and try to become the Prime Minister.

 

[jakeINSAUGA]

Hi Folks,

Anyone else planning on withdrawing the application and moving to Australia?

Jake.

 

[am4u2ster]

There is nothing wrong with being impatient to become a citizen. Waiting in silence doesn't make you a better future citizen.

I waited almost 3 years. I did not wait silently. By speaking out I learned about the political process here. I joined a political party. I got a resolution voted into the party platform. I learned how the legal system works here. I researched and I read. I met with advocates working for immigrant and refugee rights. Did that make me a worse citizen or make me less worthy than those who wait happily and silently?

Because I spoke out against unreasonable delays in a radio interview, CIC management made inquiries to ask if my file could be expedited (in the end it was not).

Silence is not the secret citizenship test. Let's not shame one another for wanting our citizenship rights.

Silence is not the secret citizenship test, who to blame only our self, because we choose the country and wanted to settled down here, We are paying tax, every where we go, job, household, vice versa.
I am not shaming any one or have any prejudice with any political party, my only concern is that citizenship and immigration have a work flow lesser then they have, it is all back log, or RQd or investigation to make it worst for us.
I agree you do not want any fraudulent individual in our society, then make a special task force for this deportation and detention matters, CIC is spending millions of dollar for nothing, this is not a reform in immigration, it needs to smooth transition.
By changing law you can not change everything Mr. Stephen Harper and team you have to work hard because your government is spending million dollars

 

[am4u2ster]

Posters should be wary of general requests to copy and paste private information.

Eileen please review this article

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/10/former-border-services-manager-blowing-whistle-on-alleged-orchestrated-mismanagement-of-canadas-immigration-enforcement/

 

[Empirical-Scientist]

Hi Folks,

Anyone else planning on withdrawing the application and moving to Australia?

Jake.

If you think this is a form of protest against the current immigration policies, you've got the whole idea of civic engagement wrong. Instead, you should stick to your ideal of getting the citizenship and trying to change something thereafter.

 

[jakeINSAUGA]

Any other RQ Victim recently got the test invites?

I have no more patience left here to just wait. They really need to speed up things here.

 

[eileenf]

I have no more patience left here to just wait. They really need to speed up things here.

I understand the lack of patience. I really encourage you to funnel that into fighting, rather than acquiescing, but it's your call.

The CIC management uses application withdrawals to demonstrate the success of their citizenship fraud "crackdown": "...nearly 2,000 individuals linked to the citizenship fraud investigations have withdrawn their applications." http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=817029 (That said, the CIC has never explained what they mean by "citizenship fraud investigations" and whether this is the same as an RQ or some subset of RQs or something else entirely.)

The CIC management uses application withdrawal as evidence that the applicant probably wasn't worthy of citizenship to begin with. While I was tempted to withdraw (and reapply) at various points, I didn't want the CIC to be able to pervert that into some retroactive justification for their unreasonable delays and unnamed suspicions of me. Personally, I don't think legitimate applicants should do the CIC's dirty work for them. They do not deserve your help in withholding your rights from you.

 

[Msafiri]

Hi Elineef,

You are right, we need to speak for our rights or so called "privilege" in a country like Canada.

We need to stand for what we deserve and if we are treat unfarily we should raise our voice. Whteher it helps or not, but it does make me feel like I am standing up for my rights and not letting any place, country or government let me treat bad and I am taking is silently and accepting their misbehaviour.

I would like to do what you did, I have talked to few newspaper reporters, talked to my MP, MP has inquired on my file three times, have been getting ATIP reports every single month and will continue to do so till the date of oath. If time comes will file for write of mandamus, but will not give up till the time I am living here.

We do have to stand up for our rights. Thats the only way I can feel good about myself, not by being silent here.

Jake.

1. If ok to ask again you seem to be taking the RQ issue badly...you state your desire to withdraw the application and leave for Australia...I did ask how this country has treated you badly? Care to elaborate how the country has done this? What is your home country if ok to ask - you can say region if you prefer e.g. Subcontinent etc that way we can have a comparative of unfair treatment in regards to your claim.

2. Once RQd you are not in the normal processing times. What is your Local Office as this really influences the pace of your RQ review. Also why were you RQd? Are/were you self employed or unemployed in the 4 year qualifying period? Any travel outside Canada? Any ME employment/residence? How many physical days did you declare? Any Non PR time used in your declared days?

3. I'm no CIC defendant but all we hear from you is RQ annoying you but CIC have the courts behind them on processing times - Mandamus remains an option.

4. What documents did you submit in support of the RQ? That you've been assessed under OB407D (which modified the original OB407A triage and streamlined risk criteria including an 'error' allowance of some margins on days) and still RQd means CIC have on paper a strong/provable issue with your declared residence that they can confidently deal with before the courts.

 

[eileenf]

What documents did you submit in support of the RQ? That you've been assessed under OB407D (which modified the original OB407A triage and streamlined risk criteria including an 'error' allowance of some margins on days) and still RQd means CIC have on paper a strong/provable issue with your declared residence that they can confidently deal with before the courts.

This is an unfair leap to make Msafiri. Because of the massive backlogs, the CIC is still in the process of reassessing previous RQ recipients under the "new" RQ triggers. And once reassessed, there is still the backlog until testing. Lack of apparent action on CIC's part does not necessarily translate to fault with the applicant. Sometimes it means understaffing, backlogs or preference for expediting more recent applications in order to have faster processing stats.

 

[Msafiri]

This is an unfair leap to make Msafiri. Because of the massive backlogs, the CIC is still in the process of reassessing previous RQ recipients under the "new" RQ triggers. And once reassessed, there is still the backlog until testing, which is where Jake seems to be currently. Lack of apparent action on CIC's part does not necessarily translate to "issues" or fault with the applicant. Sometimes it means understaffing, backlogs or preference for expediting more recent applications in order to have faster processing stats.

I appreciate that the RQ regime has featured in your application to the extent you ended up setting up a web site resource with input from multiple contributors (including myself in sourcing records of movement) but I think you need to take a step back and review my entire response in the context of the OPs responses with no more detail than a 'this sucks for me and I'm out'. I bring in the issue of the triage and residence because the op raises WOM thus bringing this into the legal regime including that under the Citizenship Act the onus is on the applicant to prove residence. Why don't we all wait for the OP to clarify his/her RQ response including the version which you seem to be privy to and triggers - pending that we can all speculate all day.

 

[moti]

Hi Masafri,

I have more than 1200 days of physical presence, sent all the relevant documents, T4, NOA, bank statements, home ownership ,kids education records, OHIP and CBSA record in response to RQ. only one trip back home, stamps match on application and passport.
ATIP shows no reason of RQ , neither it shows any triage criteria . It only says RQ issued on such date.

application received in 2011,
processing started in 2012
when I called cic after 24 months were completed,2013 after one week I received RQ., so for 24 months cic did not even touch my application.
2014, no test date yet.
What would you say about this.

 

[charmed10-2013]

There is nothing wrong with being impatient to become a citizen. Waiting in silence doesn't make you a better future citizen.

I waited almost 3 years. I did not wait silently. By speaking out I learned about the political process here. I joined a political party. I got a resolution voted into the party platform. I learned how the legal system works here. I researched and I read. I met with advocates working for immigrant and refugee rights. Did that make me a worse citizen or make me less worthy than those who wait happily and silently?

Because I spoke out against unreasonable delays in a radio interview, CIC management made inquiries to ask if my file could be expedited (in the end it was not).

Silence is not the secret citizenship test. Let's not shame one another for wanting our citizenship rights.

Kudos to you Eileen!

You are helping a lot of people here

 

[Msafiri]

Hi Masafri,

I have more than 1200 days of physical presence, sent all the relevant documents, T4, NOA, bank statements, home ownership ,kids education records, OHIP and CBSA record in response to RQ. only one trip back home, stamps match on application and passport.
ATIP shows no reason of RQ , neither it shows any triage criteria . It only says RQ issued on such date.

application received in 2011,
processing started in 2012
when I called cic after 24 months were completed,2013 after one week I received RQ., so for 24 months cic did not even touch my application.
2014, no test date yet.
What would you say about this.

1. Were you employed or self employed?
2. If employed was it full time? Nature of employment (consultant?)
3. How did you get your PR?
4. Have you asked for your physical notes via ATIP? They may show redacted sections on both your application form or CIC notes as to RQ reason?
5. Local Office?
6. How long have you been at your address (to rule out suspect address issues)
7. How long was your home trip?
8. Does your home country have a CBSA equivalent?
9. Sorry to ask and no offence meant but is your home country one where corruption is an issue - read immigration can be bribed to change date stamps?
10. Is your income consistent with your declared employment and lifestyle?
11. Single or family application? If family was your spouse in Canada in the 4 years?
12. I checked your old posts and saw you changed addresses and had issues with mail - how long did you live at the previous address? was it owned?

I'd have to see your entire file to pinpoint excactly a key concern. It could be for QA purposes too.