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PR Renewal - H&C on Paper

razdan_rakesh

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Feb 5, 2016
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I have been granted PR in 2011 and we entered the country First time in Feb 2011. Stayed there for 2 weeks and returned back due to family commitments. My family returned back to Canada for good in Sept 2014 and have been stayed there since then. I have my family commitments and business/ work back home. I keep on coming to canada 3 times in a year since Sept 2014. My PR is expiring by March 2016. I have applied for PR renewal on H&C grounds, as my mother was not well and I am the only sibling/son/family member to take care of her. We have applied for PR renewal on H&C grounds and also stated that extension be granted for 1 year till end of 2016, as my mother is recovering well and I am also in process of winding up my business and returning back to Canada for good as my family[wife and children] are working and studying there.
I have a business registered there since June 2015, but only operational since Dec 2015. Not much work is being done on the company as I am not there.
I am currently in a fix because of the comments and post on CIC that after the expiry of my PR I wont be able to enter canada even on Visitors VISA to see my family. The processing time as indicated on CIC website is 38 months for PR renewal based on H&C.
For applying PRTV I have to renounce my PR status [I would not be interested in doing that] and then it is the discretion of the Immigration officer whether to consider granting me a VISITOR VISA.
Please advise the best option to keep my PR in Place and visit my family till the PR is renewed. I have requested the deadline till end of 2016 and after that I will go to Canada for good.
I also forsee that my wife cannot apply for spouse sponsorship, while the PR renewal is going on.

Your expert advise and experience would be highly appreciated.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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razdan_rakesh said:
I have been granted PR in 2011 and we entered the country First time in Feb 2011. Stayed there for 2 weeks and returned back due to family commitments. My family returned back to Canada for good in Sept 2014 and have been stayed there since then. I have my family commitments and business/ work back home. I keep on coming to canada 3 times in a year since Sept 2014. My PR is expiring by March 2016. I have applied for PR renewal on H&C grounds, as my mother was not well and I am the only sibling/son/family member to take care of her. We have applied for PR renewal on H&C grounds and also stated that extension be granted for 1 year till end of 2016, as my mother is recovering well and I am also in process of winding up my business and returning back to Canada for good as my family[wife and children] are working and studying there.
I have a business registered there since June 2015, but only operational since Dec 2015. Not much work is being done on the company as I am not there.
I am currently in a fix because of the comments and post on CIC that after the expiry of my PR I wont be able to enter canada even on Visitors VISA to see my family. The processing time as indicated on CIC website is 38 months for PR renewal based on H&C.
For applying PRTV I have to renounce my PR status [I would not be interested in doing that] and then it is the discretion of the Immigration officer whether to consider granting me a VISITOR VISA.
Please advise the best option to keep my PR in Place and visit my family till the PR is renewed. I have requested the deadline till end of 2016 and after that I will go to Canada for good.
I also forsee that my wife cannot apply for spouse sponsorship, while the PR renewal is going on.

Your expert advise and experience would be highly appreciated.
The best option is one which, apparently, you cannot do: stay in Canada. Even then, however, you and your family are now at risk for a Residency Determination resulting in a Departure Order and the loss of PR status. Outcome will depend, to a significant extent, on the strength of the H&C reasons presented as justification for retaining PR status. I address this in more depth below.

The strength of your H&C case will depend in large part on the nature of your mother's illness, and extent to which it is necessary for you to stay to care for her.

If you have a strong H&C case, after your current PR card expires you will be able to apply for a PR Travel Document so that you may board a flight to Canada. Be sure to submit documentation from doctors and such, including statements affirming the extent to which you need to personally care for your mother. Obviously, this risks being refused the PR TD, in which case you would need to appeal, and apply for a special PR TD to facilitate your travel to Canada while the appeal is pending (since you have been in Canada within the last year, assuming you have, you should be able to get the special PR TD).

Beyond that, it appears you may be confused about some aspects of what is involved.


Clarification regarding applying for "PR renewal:"

Many refer to renewing "PR" when they mean and understand this is about applying for a new or replacement PR card.

It is not clear you understand this, since you seem to be requesting IRCC (formerly CIC) to give you a one year extension of your PR status.

You are a PR and continue to be a PR unless and until there is a formal decision to terminate your PR status (or you renounce PR status, or you become a citizen, or you die).

There is no application to renew PR status. There is no application to extend PR status.

The PR card is more like a passport than a drivers license. The PR card is much like the passport in the way the passport is a document showing a person's status (citizen), which expires after a certain time, and an application for a new or replacement passport is not about renewing citizenship but about eligibility for the document proving citizenship. In contrast, when a drivers license expires, status allowing the person to drive a vehicle terminates unless that status is renewed.

The difference between a PR card and a passport is about the status: there are no conditions or requirements for maintaining citizenship and it is never terminated (with rare exceptions of revocation), whereas there are conditions for maintaining PR status, including the one you have breached, the obligation to comply with the PR Residency Obligation.



Clarification regarding timeline when applying for a replacement PR card based on H&C grounds:

You cite the timeline (posted at the Immigration and Citizenship website) for H&C cases generally. This would include the H&C application for PR.

That has nothing to do with an application for a new/replacement PR card even though you have presented the H&C case as reason for issuing you a new/replacement PR card given the failure to comply with the PR Residency Obligation.

That noted, the processing of the PR card application will be non-routine and thus probably take longer, perhaps considerably or even a lot longer, than the posted timeline for PR card applications (lately this has been around six months as I recall). Moreover, there is no guarantee the application will succeed.


Risk PR card application fails:

For members of your family who are staying in Canada and thus who will be in compliance with the PR RO in September, that is two years from date they came to Canada (or as soon as they reach the threshold of 730 days in Canada within the last five years), between now and then there remains the risk of a Residency Determination in which it is determined they are in breach of the PR RO and there are not sufficient H&C grounds to justify retention of PR status.

Same for you but obviously a greater risk given the extent to which you are abroad.

I cannot guess (and no one here can reliably predict) what the chances are, except to guess that it may be that your family has now been here long enough, is established enough, that in conjunction with even somewhat slight reasons for H&C consideration, they have reasonably fair odds of being OK. Especially for those immigrants who get back to Canada to settle in Canada within the first five years, Canada tends to be more or less lenient, sometimes even generous.

Your situation, however, probably depends on having made a fairly solid H&C case. Again, the effort to come to Canada and get settled in Canada is indeed a strong factor in your favour, including the extent to which your family is now settled in Canada, so if other H&C reasons are also compelling, you too may have reasonably fair odds of being issued a new PR card based on H&C reasons. But forecasting outcomes in such cases is at best a ballpark guess, and typically not even that reliable.


An observation which might better illuminate some context:

It was not a good idea to apply for the new PR card so soon, at least not for those members of your family who are staying and not traveling. If they stayed until they were much closer to reaching the 730 days in Canada threshold, before applying for a new PR card, the risks would be far less . . . and if they waited until passing the 730 day threshold, that risk would have been reduced to near zero.

Note: there is no need to have a valid PR card in possession for a PR who is in Canada and not traveling abroad. That is, your family could have allowed their PR cards to expire before applying for the new card, so long as they stayed in Canada, without any negative consequence.

But of course that is in the vein of would have, could have, should have but did not.
 

razdan_rakesh

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Feb 5, 2016
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Thanks for the detailed response on the query that I requested clarification on.
Couple of things my family is already there in canada since last year 2014
it is only me that I have applied for renewal of PR based on H&C, they are yet to apply for the renewal which they are going to do after completing the days required.

My query here is what are the options for me to get the process of either renewal getting faster or I be able to visit my family after march 2016 at least every 3 months till my PR outcome is there. will it be right to write a letter to CIC requesting progress on the application.

Correct me if I am wrong in understanding that PR renewal outcome will take 6 months.

Second when will be the right time to apply for spouse sponsorship and what are the limitations after you get the sponsorship approved

Can I apply for a visitors Visa or a document that can allow me to enter and come out at intervals of 3 months till end of 2016. If yes please advise the process to follow without renouncing the PR Card status.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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razdan_rakesh said:
Thanks for the detailed response on the query that I requested clarification on.
Couple of things my family is already there in canada since last year 2014
it is only me that I have applied for renewal of PR based on H&C, they are yet to apply for the renewal which they are going to do after completing the days required.
That is the better approach.

razdan_rakesh said:
My query here is what are the options for me to get the process of either renewal getting faster or I be able to visit my family after march 2016 at least every 3 months till my PR outcome is there. will it be right to write a letter to CIC requesting progress on the application.

Correct me if I am wrong in understanding that PR renewal outcome will take 6 months.

Second when will be the right time to apply for spouse sponsorship and what are the limitations after you get the sponsorship approved

Can I apply for a visitors Visa or a document that can allow me to enter and come out at intervals of 3 months till end of 2016. If yes please advise the process to follow without renouncing the PR Card status.
You should hire a competent, reliable immigration lawyer to review your options and help you choose where to go from here, and how.

Only a Foreign National can be issued a visitor's visa. A Canadian PR is not a Foreign National. To be eligible for a visitor's visa, you would indeed first have to lose PR status. That is, you would have to renounce your PR status, or be denied a PR Travel Document while abroad, or have a Departure Order become enforceable.

If your PR card expires while you are abroad, you can apply for the PR Travel Document, and make your best case based on H&C grounds. If that succeeds, you will be issued a PR TD allowing you to board a flight back to Canada. However, that will not necessarily guarantee you will be able to do that the next time you go abroad, which it appears you must do.

While routine processing for PR card renewals is around six months lately, for an application based on H&C grounds, and particularly one for a PR who is going abroad for more than brief travel, the application is likely to get bogged down in a much longer processing time.

There is also a significant likelihood that once processing of your application has begun, there will be a flag in your FOSS/GCMS, pursuant to which you may be subject to elevated scrutiny the next time you arrive at a Canadian POE to enter Canada, even though your current PR card is still valid.

If you apply for a PR TD and it is denied, if you appeal then your recent trips to Canada will allow you to get a special PR TD to return to Canada for the appeal and then you should be able to obtain a special one-year PR card. This would allow you to come and go. But your PR status will, of course, be at risk, and lost if you lose the appeal.

Your practical options are limited. If you cannot stay in Canada, whether you can retain your PR status will be dependent on the strength of your H&C case. And even then, going abroad again for extended periods of time may still result in Canada proceeding to take away your PR status. Even if you are issued a new PR card, for example, after any significant period of time abroad you could still be issued a 44(1) report leading to loss of PR status the next time you are examined at a POE.

Sorry that I cannot offer any good news for your situation. If you lose PR status but your spouse stays, and eventually is in compliance with the PR RO, your spouse should be able to then sponsor you for PR again, assuming your spouse is eligible (not on social assistance for example).

So you know, if you do renounce PR status at the POE the next time you arrive, or the time after that (assuming you might make two trips before your PR card expires), there are good odds you would be issued a visitor's visa or comparable status which will allow you to visit in the coming year. And your history of coming and going, and voluntarily renouncing PR status, should go a long way toward persuading IRCC to issue you visitor status in the future, since you have shown you are generally leaving to return to work abroad and will not overstay.