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PR obligation of 2 years not met

armoured

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Feb 1, 2015
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- My travel will likely be 2-3 days - 2x per month, mostly to the US, sometimes to Europe.
- My PR landing happened in Sep 2018 - so that's when the clock starts. By Sep 2023, i would have clocked at least 14 or so months if I move this summer.
Just want to draw attention to one aspect - you won't be able to renew your PR card until you complete the two years (leaving aside for now some H&C determination or an appeal etc being completed).

There are two main implications of this for you: you won't be able to return by air after that expires until you have a new PR card (returning by land same as before though). Obviously that may not be practical with some geographies.

And you would not be able to sponsor a family member, eg a spouse, until you've completed the RO.

There are positive aspects to your case - in terms of likelihood of being given some lenience - but really no-one can say how it will go.

I believe it's fair to say that you could renounce and have your employer sponsor you / give you a job offer that would make getting PR status anew and possibly temporary work status. But I'd speak to a competent lawyer/consultant before heading down that path.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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I concur in observations by both @Tubsmagee and @armoured.

The observation by @Tubsmagee in regards to days after being Reported NOT COUNTING warrants emphasis. If Reported (meaning there is both a Report prepared and a Removal Order issued), in the appeal the calculation of RO compliance will be based on days IN Canada as of the day of the examination resulting in the Report.

And that can make a difference in the evaluation of H&C considerations . . . because unlike getting credit for days remaining until the fifth year anniversary during the initial RO compliance examination, for H&C purposes the extent of breach factor is all about days in Canada . . . the woulda-and-coulda days do not count.

Without diving too deeply into the weeds, one of the things I have tried to make clear in this forum is that the appeal is the lowest probability of success part of the process. Yes, the IAD will likely give some, but not a lot of positive credit, for time spent in Canada after being Reported, because that is a ties-in-Canada factor. But for purpose of counting days, nope.

Example: Landing September 15, 2018; return to Canada June 8, 2022 with 18 days credit based on days actually in Canada since landing; Reported and issued a Removal Order upon arrival (again June 8, 2022): In this example, the RO compliance calculation at the PoE is 18 days credit for days actually IN Canada plus 462 days credit for days left until the fifth year anniversary of landing; total 480 days credit. That's a breach. A big breach actually.

But once the Report is prepared, days after that do not count. So, from then on, for the appeal the breach is huge: 18 days in Canada means more than 700 days short. And that is the extent of the breach factor no matter how long the PR is in Canada up to the IAD hearing.

So, a reminder, at this stage keeping PR status depends on --
-- not getting Reported or​
-- if Reported, getting H&C relief allowing you to keep PR status despite the RO breach, and​
-- failing that, if Reported and issued a Removal Order, appealing and winning the appeal (likewise, probably, based on H&C relief)​

The better odds are in the first two. The best hope is to avoid having to appeal. The PR's best opportunity to get H&C relief is during the PoE examination (or in some cases, during the review interview taking place in the days or at least weeks after, if a second, reviewing officer was not available during the initial PoE examination). I cannot say how much weight the circumstances you describe will have but yes they are generally the sorts of things it can help to present, generally explaining the plan to get here and how this and that delayed your plans.

Since it appears you can afford a lawyer's assistance, probably a good idea to consult with a qualified Canadian immigration lawyer soon after arriving here . . . and for sure, doing that if you are Reported and need to file an appeal.
 

MatQue

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Aug 14, 2016
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So, a reminder, at this stage keeping PR status depends on --
-- not getting Reported or​
-- if Reported, getting H&C relief allowing you to keep PR status despite the RO breach, and​
-- failing that, if Reported and issued a Removal Order, appealing and winning the appeal (likewise, probably, based on H&C relief)​
At the day I sent my application, I had accumulated around 800 days of physical presence in Canada within the past 5 years, so I am in compliance with PRO, BUT I was in breach of it from 2017 to 2021 when I crossed the border five times without being reported.

I am now afraid my application might have been rejected, because the status is already Decision Made and they had just started to process it (1 day).
  1. Application received on March 14, 2022.
  2. AoR e-mail on April 13, 2022.
  3. We started processing your application on April 13, 2022.
  4. Decision Made on April 14, 2022, when I got to check ECAS.
I decided not to send any supporting documentation as they can check by themselves that all the information provided is true. What you think about the "INSTANTANEOUS" Decision Made? Probably rejected application, right? If so, when should I get a confirmation?
 
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Feb 14, 2021
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Thanks all. Yes I will consult an attorney.
alternatively I’ll find out if I can switch to Work Permit. Come to Canada and apply PRusing the job offer as a bonus. Let’s see. Thanks again.
Covid has been a pain in the ass. I am kicking myself for not moving sooner ideally pre Covid.
 

SheetalS

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Nov 14, 2024
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Hi I got my PR in 2018. We were to move to Canada in 2020 but we had a baby and then Pandemic so were not able to travel. Now my husband has a job offer in Canada and want to move. However our PR expires in April 2023 before completing the 2 year obligatory stay. Will this be an issue when renewing our PR? What will be the procedure for renewal. We heard we will be given a Removal notice on arrival and will have to appeal and get a decision. What are our chances in such a situation. Please help. What should we do. Thanks
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Do you have a US visa? You can’t fly directly to Canada without a valid PR card. What about your child? Yes there is a risk you will get reported for not meeting your residency obligation if you try to enter via the land border. If you do you would need to try to appeal to try and retain your PR status. Sponsoring your child could also be an issue since it is a risk to highlight you are out of compliance with RO if you aren’t reported at the border.