PR Card Renewal
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I understand how you feel. I sent my application off in March 2016, received a secondary review letter in mid June 2016, received my PR card last week. My MP office spoke to CIC and from what they told them is that it takes up to 12 months from the date the secondary review letter is sent. CIC for some reason will not tell you this. So for me it took 8 months from the date i received the letter. In the past 5 years i had only been outside Canada for less than 20 days so it was really frustrating.sambujang said:
Thanks for that information, and congratulations on finally getting your renewed PR card. Your case is just beyond my comprehension. I never could understand why CIC would even refer your application to a secondary review just for being out of the country for 20 day or less in the past 5 years. There is something fundamentally wrong with that department, and until someone goes public, I do not see any positive change with the PR card renewal process. I think I could manage without a PR card for as long as it takes as I can always rely on my visa free exempt passport. I live just 2 hour from a major US international airport, about the same driving distance/time from a nearest Canadian international airport. I have traveled just last month via the US, and I may have to do the same again when next I want to travel to my country of origin. However, I am deeply worried about those without visa free exempt passport. This means they are stuck here and can't go anywhere until they receive their renewed PR card. This kind of treatment is totally unfair to them.
I am a canadian citizen, so are my two Boys. I like to discuss about My Wife who is a PR from April 2012. and expiration of the PR card is June 2017.
she was out of Canada for 1015 days.
means she was in canada for more then 730 required days.
Out of 1015, she was out of Canada, she stayed with me in my home country,after i become canadian citizens for around 300 days.
should i apply immediately for renewal of PR card from my home country or i should fly with her to apply PR renewal from Canada only. seniors please help take me right steps and oblige. how much time it will take for issuance of new PR card as per present processing delay.
she was out of Canada for 1015 days.
means she was in canada for more then 730 required days.
Out of 1015, she was out of Canada, she stayed with me in my home country,after i become canadian citizens for around 300 days.
should i apply immediately for renewal of PR card from my home country or i should fly with her to apply PR renewal from Canada only. seniors please help take me right steps and oblige. how much time it will take for issuance of new PR card as per present processing delay.
You wife will be fine when she sends her card for renewal, but chances are her renewal application will be sent to secondary review. That where the big concern is. Once you have been away from Canada for that much long within the past 5 years, then one could expect a longer processing time. Also you can renew her PR Card while you are not inside Canada. She must be inside Canada when she renews it. If I were you I will send the application right now because you can renew it 9 months before the card expires. She will continue to use the old car until it expires while the renewal is in process. I sent mine for renewal since August and it is still being processed, and I am not expecting it anytime soon because it is still in secondary review
It is a little more complicated than that.Badshah bhai said:
Foremost, the instructions require applications for the PR card to be made IN Canada. So, no, she cannot apply from your home country. She needs to be in Canada (regardless where you are) when she makes the application.
Moreover, she should actually be living in Canada, not merely here temporarily.
If the two of you are living together abroad, planning to continue living together, and otherwise you are not returning to live in Canada (to stay in Canada at least indefinitely) at this time, the better approach, probably, is to NOT apply for a new PR card. Now that you are a citizen, so long as the two of you are married and living together it does not matter where in the world you live, or for how long, she will be complying with the PR Residency Obligation and thus will not have any issues about retaining her Canadian PR status.
She does not need a new PR card. A new card would be more convenient, yes, but that convenience is not worth trying to manipulate your lives and the information in order to get a new PR card.
Again, read and follow the instructions.
For many, if not most queries posed in the forum, the best suggestion is usually a reminder to read and follow the instructions. In other forums I have a signature which says "If in doubt, follow the instructions; otherwise, yep, follow the instructions." This cannot be overstated.
I repeat this realizing it probably comes across as stating the obvious, perhaps even seems condescending, but the most common mistake, made by those who are qualified, is a failure to follow the instructions.
The instructions are mostly straight-forward. See:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/prcard.asp
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp
and the checklist and application form linked at these IRCC web pages
Again, now that you are a citizen, so long as the two of you are married and living together it does not matter where in the world you live, or for how long, she will be complying with the PR Residency Obligation and thus will not have any issues about retaining her Canadian PR status.
It is true, really, she does NOT need to get a new PR card. As noted, a new card would be more convenient, yes, but unless she is actually already planning to return to Canada to actually live in Canada, the more prudent approach is to wait.
For travel to Canada after her PR card expires she will need to obtain a PR Travel Document. It will be important to carefully follow the instructions when that application is made, and in particular including, with the PR TD application, proof of the marriage relationship, proof of spouse's Canadian citizenship, proof of cohabitation, and the required documents which includes a copy of the spouse's passport (including all pages . . . so that, in addition to the proof of maintaining a common household together, IRCC can assess travel history for both and verify that the citizen spouse and the accompanying PR are in fact accompanying one another).
Availability of multiple-entry PR TD valid for multiple years:
For PRs in this situation, for now it appears that IRCC will readily issue a multi-year, multiple-entry PR Travel Document, which will be almost as convenient as having a PR card.
This is the approach currently favoured by IRCC for those PRs who are living abroad and in compliance with the PR RO (indication is that this is indeed mostly about accommodating PR spouses of Canadian citizens living together abroad).
Some particulars:
When it comes to making the PR card application, she needs to make the application. Not you. You can help. You can, for example, fill in the form with the information to be provided, but she needs to be the one who verifies the truthfulness of all the information submitted.
And, while it is not specifically required, practically she needs to be actually residing in Canada (not just in Canada temporarily) before making the application, and continue to be residing (actually living) in Canada while the application is being processed. This does not mean she cannot leave Canada, such as to visit abroad, but if she leaves Canada to resume living outside Canada then she should notify IRCC of her change in address . . . recognizing, however, if she changes her address to one abroad that will mean her PR card application will be, in effect anyway, suspended. IRCC will not mail the PR card or a notice to pick-up the card to any address other than the PR's residential address IN Canada.
Many, many fudge this. Many, for example, will temporarily visit Canada for the purpose of making the PR card application. Many use the address of a family member or trusted friend which is not really where the PR lives. Many get away with doing this. Still, not a good idea.
Let us be frank: IRCC does not appreciate gaming the system. Indeed, IRCC tends to stiffen up, even get unfriendly some, if it just appears someone is attempting to game the system. Pretending that a temporary address in Canada (let alone the address of a family member or friend) is where one is really residing may work more often than not, but there is no need for the PR spouse of a Canadian citizen (and living together) to try getting away with this.
Moreover, if a PR who was living abroad before making the PR card application applies soon after returning to Canada, and then that PR leaves Canada while the application is pending, particularly if the absence is for a significant duration, it will appear as if the PR is no longer residing in Canada, and if the PR fails to notify IRCC of the change in address that can constitute a misrepresentation by omission, which could in itself constitute grounds for revoking PR status.
In this regard, appearance matters. Which is usually the case, actually, since appearance almost always matters.
(Reminder: the applicant verifies, when signing the application, he or she "will immediately inform Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada if any of the information or the answers provided in [his or her] application forms change." While the failure to properly notify IRCC of a change in address is common, and often (perhaps even usually) does not result in a serious problem, there is, again, no good reason to test the reach of IRCC enforcement regarding this.)
Observations regarding SECONDARY REVIEW:
There are multiple topics where the impact of Secondary Review is discussed, including the most active one where some participants here are keeping track of timelines for those bogged down in SR.sambujang said:
See topic titled: "Email from CIC that PR card renewal needs secondary review"
The timelines reported in that topic, and elsewhere in this and other forums, is purely anecdotal, and almost certainly is NOT a representative sample. So those timelines are more about what can happen than what usually happens, let alone what is likely to happen, let alone what will happen for any particular individual.
Nonetheless, probably safe to say that SR timelines appear to range from a few extra months to well over an extra year, occasionally longer.
Despite erroneous comments in this and other forums otherwise, Secondary Review is about more than merely verifying the PR has met the PR Residency Obligation.sambujang said:
This warrants a much longer, more in-depth explanation, one which has in large part been posted in this forum in other topics, including the topic titled "Email from CIC that PR card renewal needs secondary review" and others.
For purposes of this topic, I will offer the following . . .
Further observations regarding IRCC procedures and processing SR'd cases more generally:
As tends to be common in forums like this, there are comments above suggesting that there is "something fundamentally wrong" at IRCC resulting in the abuse of PRs.
There are flaws, yes, of course, IRCC is a large bureaucracy, not a mythical magical kingdom where all is perfect.
Thus, in particular, there are always some individuals who unfairly suffer.
And it is also true that overall IRCC has a history of dismal processing timelines, way too often resulting in excessive delays which too often have a profoundly detrimental impact. The struggle to make improvements in this regard is a constant battle, with limitations as to funding and personnel resources looming large, on one hand, and what appears to be a near-constant effort by many to game the Canadian system, with outright fraud challenging the orderly functioning of the Canadian immigration system, on the other. At the same time that Big, Big Brother to the South is breathing its foul breath down Canada's neck with pressure to get tougher and tougher.
In this environment, make no mistake, incongruities alone may tend to trigger concern, potentially leading to questions and then doubts, inviting skepticism.
Leading to observations about who gets SR . . .
Secondary Review is not about how long a PR has been in or outside Canada. (This forum continues to be rife with erroneous suggestions otherwise, especially in those topics specifically discussing SR.)sambujang said:
Conducting a more formal Residency Determination is the procedure for assessing compliance with the PR Residency Obligation. Not SR.
In contrast, SR will also include a Residency Determination, and in that regard probably a more thorough, probing, intensive Residency Determination. Moreover, questions about compliance with the PR RO may indeed be a major factor in why someone at IRCC has referred the PR card application to SR. The latter should not be confused, however, with the fact that the usual and primary focus of SR is about more than PR RO compliance, and rather is more about misrepresentation, fraud, or other admissibility concerns. (Precise triggers for and nature of SR is confidential information which is not divulged publicly, so obviously I do not know what the precise triggers are or what specific inquiries are made in SR, but anyone who follows these matters closely and is familiar with the operational guidelines and program delivery instructions which are public, can readily recognize these observations about SR . . . in contrast, there are many posts in forums like this which are reactionary, accusatory, and quite simply uninformed.)
In other words, compliance with the PR RO, even compliance by a large margin, does not immunize a PR from SR.
That said, of course the PR RO looms large in what is being evaluated during SR for the majority of those referred to SR, particularly those who were cutting-it-close. But again, if the case has been referred to SR, the inquiry will usually be focused on more than merely PR RO compliance.
Still, yes, in many if not most SR cases, PR RO compliance tends to be a big part of what is being examined. But in many respects this is more focused on the accuracy, or the lack thereof, in what the PR has declared regarding PR RO compliance.
Make no mistake: if a PR claims 730+ days presence in Canada during the preceding five years, and IRCC questions whether that PR has in fact complied with the PR RO, the inquiry is at least to some degree about determining whether the PR has made misrepresentations.
It is not possible for a PR to accurately declare 730+ days presence in Canada and for the same period of time not be in compliance with the PR RO. Thus, if an official at IRCC apprehends the PR is not in compliance with the PR RO, the official must determine whether there is an innocent mistake or a material misrepresentation involved.
That is, in these cases, to question a PR's compliance with the PR RO necessarily entails questioning why it is the PR declared more days in Canada than it appears the PR was in Canada: was it mistake or fraud?
Obviously, the first step in such an inquiry is to determine whether or not the PR's declarations are accurate, and if it appears possible they are not accurate, to determine the extent to which the PR's declarations appear to be inaccurate. But when there is a referral to SR, (in many if not most such cases) it appears that IRCC has made a preliminary assessment indicating the possibility of a substantial inaccuracy, not merely a minor mistake, sufficient to warrant conducting inquiries or an investigation independent of what information might be obtained from the PR. Thus there is often no request for additional documents, no Residence Questionnaire or its equivalent. IRCC conducts its inquiries or investigations, or makes referrals to CBSA or the RCMP to make inquiries or conduct an investigation, and eventually IRCC evaluates the PR and the PR's application.
Minor inaccuracies are likely to be deemed mistakes. No problem.
Otherwise, what then happens will depend on the extent of incongruities and discrepancies, particularly omissions, that IRCC has identified. Worst case scenario is an inadmissibility report for misrepresentation and loss of PR status. Criminal prosecution appears to be rare but it does happen.
In any event, once in SR the focus of inquiry is beyond merely assessing compliance with the PR RO.
Thanks Dpenabill and sambujung.dpenabill said:
we have a home property where my young boys are residing, living and studying in canada, they are both citizens. what is a problem if she applies for PR card. Can't we apply for PR TD during PR card processing period as we usually visits Canada for a month in six month time. she files the CRA return also of nill income. she is also having a bank account and she is co-applicant in the mortgage also. she lived in Canada in last five years for more then 730 days that is 810 days
one more point suppose landed immigrant date is suppose 15th April 2012and PR card expiration date is 20 june 2017, which five year period to be considered for PR.
if we add 380 days(wherein she stayed in her home country with Canadian spouse that is me) in his physical Canada stay period days 810, then will become 1190 day. still with your experience, do think there will be problem. Please suggest
hi brother
have you recieved your pr card
can you share your timeline ? and what doc did they ask for ?
That is, in these cases, to question a PR's compliance with the PR RO necessarily entails questioning why it is the PR declared more days in Canada than it appears the PR was in Canada: was it mistake or fraud?
Obviously, the first step in such an inquiry is to determine whether or not the PR's declarations are accurate, and if it appears possible they are not accurate, to determine the extent to which the PR's declarations appear to be inaccurate. But when there is a referral to SR, (in many if not most such cases) it appears that IRCC has made a preliminary assessment indicating the possibility of a substantial inaccuracy, not merely a minor mistake, sufficient to warrant conducting inquiries or an investigation independent of what information might be obtained from the PR. Thus there is often no request for additional documents, no Residence Questionnaire or its equivalent. IRCC conducts its inquiries or investigations, or makes referrals to CBSA or the RCMP to make inquiries or conduct an investigation, and eventually IRCC evaluates the PR and the PR's application.
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I have not read such detailed analysis yet so i guess you can suggest better on my case
My application started processing on June 20 , 2017 and i have not heard from them since. I called IRCC , they told me its gone for secondary review but they have not asked me for any additional documents , neither did they email me to notify .
so what do you think the case is here ?
Obviously, the first step in such an inquiry is to determine whether or not the PR's declarations are accurate, and if it appears possible they are not accurate, to determine the extent to which the PR's declarations appear to be inaccurate. But when there is a referral to SR, (in many if not most such cases) it appears that IRCC has made a preliminary assessment indicating the possibility of a substantial inaccuracy, not merely a minor mistake, sufficient to warrant conducting inquiries or an investigation independent of what information might be obtained from the PR. Thus there is often no request for additional documents, no Residence Questionnaire or its equivalent. IRCC conducts its inquiries or investigations, or makes referrals to CBSA or the RCMP to make inquiries or conduct an investigation, and eventually IRCC evaluates the PR and the PR's application.
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I have not read such detailed analysis yet so i guess you can suggest better on my case
My application started processing on June 20 , 2017 and i have not heard from them since. I called IRCC , they told me its gone for secondary review but they have not asked me for any additional documents , neither did they email me to notify .
so what do you think the case is here ?
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My application started processing on June 20 , 2017 and i have not heard from them since. I called IRCC , they told me its gone for secondary review but they have not asked me for any additional documents , neither did they email me to notify .
so what do you think the case is here ?[/QUOTE]
Hi - just curious when you would have sent your application and when it started showing up as in process on ecas? Did you get an acknowledgment email?
I have not read such detailed analysis yet so i guess you can suggest better on my case
My application started processing on June 20 , 2017 and i have not heard from them since. I called IRCC , they told me its gone for secondary review but they have not asked me for any additional documents , neither did they email me to notify .
so what do you think the case is here ?[/QUOTE]
Hi - just curious when you would have sent your application and when it started showing up as in process on ecas? Did you get an acknowledgment email?
Hi - just curious when you would have sent your application and when it started showing up as in process on ecas? Did you get an acknowledgment email?[/QUOTE]
yes
My application was recieved on April 20 , 2017
They sent me acknowledgement on June 20 , 2017
They Started processing my application on June 20, 2017
no updates since then
Hi everyone
I'm a PR landed in Toronto with my spouse and son in August 2015 and stayed in Canada 15 days only then returned to UAE after that we came again on 2016 in September and stayed for 20 days and returned to home country UAE. Now I'm back to Canada my spouse and my son will stay in Canada and my son will go to school in Canada.
I will return back to UAE as I'm working there and for some family problems can't stay longer my PR will expire on 2019 September. So how can I maintain my PR obligations because I can't stay in Canada physically. Is there any other way that my days will be count even if I'm out of country in UAE .
Some body told me if I hired by Canadian company and that's company have branch in UAE and they appoint me in UAE branch then my days will be count as I'm living inside Canada if it's tru so what will be the requirements for that what documents I should show to CIC for renewal.
Can anybody answer in details.
Will be thankful to you.
Regards
Majid
I'm a PR landed in Toronto with my spouse and son in August 2015 and stayed in Canada 15 days only then returned to UAE after that we came again on 2016 in September and stayed for 20 days and returned to home country UAE. Now I'm back to Canada my spouse and my son will stay in Canada and my son will go to school in Canada.
I will return back to UAE as I'm working there and for some family problems can't stay longer my PR will expire on 2019 September. So how can I maintain my PR obligations because I can't stay in Canada physically. Is there any other way that my days will be count even if I'm out of country in UAE .
Some body told me if I hired by Canadian company and that's company have branch in UAE and they appoint me in UAE branch then my days will be count as I'm living inside Canada if it's tru so what will be the requirements for that what documents I should show to CIC for renewal.
Can anybody answer in details.
Will be thankful to you.
Regards
Majid
In order for your time working outside of Canada to be counted towards PR, you would have to first be hired for a role in Canada by a company with established operations in Canada.. Once you've worked in that job for a while, if your company then decides to transfer you to a job outside of Canada, then you may be able to count that time towards PR.
In your case your time spent working outside of Canada cannot be counted towards PR since you don't meet the requirements to do so.
If you try to renew your PR card without meeting RO, your PR status will end up being revoked.